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Theories you came up with?
Topic Started: Jun 23 2014, 12:45 AM (1,240 Views)
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I'll give you that one. I don't remember seeing it.
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Not sure if it's a rather popular one although on F it seems to be rather unpopular. My theory was that Birusu based his "Goku and Vegeta having more potential" statement based on who showed the highest power. The theory goes along with the fact that Vegeta somehow regained "Hidden Power" or Potential or Dormant Power whatever you call it after Babidi brought it beyond its limits.

From one of my topics
 
So, we remember the scene in BOG where Beers slaps Bulma across the face and Vegeta flips his lid and gains an absurd amount of power via a rage boost. Now one will say, "I don't see the problem here" but if we're to assume that rage boosts come as a result of hidden power then we must then look back to the Boo arc for Vegeta's Majin takeover and the beyond his hidden power's limits boost he was given by Babidi.

Chapter: 456 (DBZ 262), P4.3
Context: as Babidi takes control of Vegeta
Babidi: "While I'm at it, I'll draw out his hidden power to beyond [his? its?] limits!"



Now of course if Vegeta can have his hidden power drawn beyond his or its limits yet a few years later acquire a rage boost that boosts him much further than his current state, then it's fair game to apply that to everyone. Now Vegeta isn't the only one that has had such a statement made about a power up. Now we look to Gohan.

Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P10.1-5
Context: Elder Kaioshin explains his 'ability'
Elder Kaioshin: "With my psychic powers, I can take the hidden power which anyone has, no matter how amazing a master they may be, and draw it wa~~ay, wa~~ay out above their limits. Ehehehehe...Have you ever heard of an ability like that?"
Kaioshin and Kibito: "Oooh!"
Goku: "Wh-what?...Ain't that the kind of ability you hear about fairly often?"
Elder Kaioshin: "Wh-what are you talking about...?! Above their limits! Above! There de~~efinitely isn't anyone else that incredible! [ ] Hey, you over there, you were the one who pulled the sword out, right? Come over here a little. If someone could pull that sword out and swing it around, then once I get through with them they'll de~~efinitely be able to become the best in the universe."

Now one may say then "The methods aren't the same, Gohan can't even transform". Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Gohan transform? Even if that were a mistake the basic principle of the hidden power unlock is the same. Both bring your hidden power beyond its limits, Vegeta had a less beyond and Gohan had a lot more beyond. I think it is fair to say that Gohan too can access this resetting dormant power just like Vegeta can.


Then got into a discussion with XGoku about Gohan in BOG, I brought up that in the character bios, it states that Gohan has the potential to surpass any Pure Saiyan...which should include Godku and Rageta. I then brought up the dormant power unlocking and beyond quotes and how Vegeta somehow reset his and how that should also apply to Gohan. I then brought up how in the movie it is likely SSJ2 Rageta surpassed Gohan. And Godku surpassed SSJ2 Rageta by quite a fair amount, and I came to the conclusion that the character bio in combination with the resetting potential theory should prove that Birusu based his potential statements on who showed the most power.
Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 29 2014, 05:04 AM.
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I'd believe that over fanboying Goku and Vegeta.
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KP , u had so many theories goodfella.
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I don't remember any that I came up with. All's lost.
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KP is this your least good year as a debater?
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My theory is that Gohan can still go SSJ but he had to bring his Base form to a point were his SSJ could surpass his "Mystic" self.

That would also explain why he still uses his "Mystic" form in BoG but he uses it in GT because by then, he would have made his SSJ or even his Base form strong than his "Mystic" state.
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Alex Kloonboss
Jun 30 2014, 01:26 AM
KP is this your least good year as a debater?
Subjective. I just don't have the urge to put in the effort anymore. I'm not going to scour through the manga like P and Vic are doing and pick out the most obscure details, no offense to them. I don't have the time nor the incentive to do such a thing at the moment.

Maybe if I had a good reason, I guess.
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Jul 11 2014, 12:58 AM
My theory is that Gohan can still go SSJ but he had to bring his Base form to a point were his SSJ could surpass his "Mystic" self.

That would also explain why he still uses his "Mystic" form in BoG but he uses it in GT because by then, he would have made his SSJ or even his Base form strong than his "Mystic" state.
I don't see how this can be. GT is filler so we don't really need to consider that shit if we're talking in relations to canooononon, and non canoononon. It's simply a mistake by the writers where they wanted Gohan to go SSj just for the only purpose of having that imagery of multiple Super Saiyans to get Goku in SSG mode, but whether or not Pan can go SSj as an unborn baby is another question and plothole that leaves the movie. They simply could have just kept everyone in base or something.
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Mystic isn't a form Yusuke.
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