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SSJ Goku (S17) vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby). Read first.
Topic Started: Aug 11 2014, 08:16 PM (434 Views)
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I know it sounds totally crazy, but if we know that the SSJ4's full potential can be at any level of SSJ (According DBGT). But what about this. Vegeta thinks Goku can defeat the TB31, knowing how powerful Goku SSJ4, since I saw him in defeating Baby. Then on the Arch of S17, Goku saw the crystal ball as Super 17 (Initial) defeated the Z Warriors and Goku said "It's the first time I see someone so powerful." This may indicate:

   Super 17 (initial) >> SSJ Goku (S17) >> SSJ2 Vegeta (S17)> = Goku SSJ4 FP (Baby) >>>> Baby Vegeta (Golden Monkey) = Goku SSJ4 (Home / Baby) >> SSJ Vegeta (S17)> = Base Goku (S17) >>>>>> Base Vegeta (S17) >>>>>>>>>>>> SBV2.

  SSJ4 Goku probably had all his power from S17.

   Goku SSJ4 (Beyond the Boundaries) = Vegeta SSJ4 (Artificial) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Natural) = Goku SSJ4 (U17 and up) >>>>> Goku SSJ4 FP >>> (Baby). You can also Base Vegeta (Post Baby) is = SBV2. This is a theory.

   What you think?
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I can't recall Goku making such a statement about Super #17, with the only thing Goku saying that stood out being how he was amazed that #17 could toy with Vegeta. I believe you're referring to this.

Episode 44
Time: 15m35s
Context: Super No.17 has just used his Flash Bomber attack
Goku: "What a guy this is! He's got ridiculous power, ain't he?"

There've been a few instances where Goku's worded such statements about people without them being close to the highest power he's sensed, especially in GT. Because of this, I'd say there's no reason to place SS4 Goku in this arc any higher than at the end of the Baby Arc, so he still stomps.
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In Latin Audio dubbing says "That guy is amazing, I had never seen so few powers." It can be interpreted as Super 17 (initial)> / >> Goku SSJ4 FP (Baby). Besides Vegeta (TB21) trusts be a great match for Goku, knowing how powerful it was Goku SSJ4 FP (Baby), to see the sun Baby send your Kamehameha.

   CC do you think?
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That simply shows that the Latin dub says something differently from what's mentioned in the original Japanese version.
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Yes, there are some errors in the Latino dubbing, eg Freezer Nail mentions that its power is 53,000. When we know that is 530,000.

The only thing that strikes me is Vegeta (TB31) defeat Goku thought, unless it was referring to defeat his SSJ4 form below.
Edited by SIAD, Aug 12 2014, 02:49 PM.
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Well, if the theory of Vegeta having SBV2's power in Base holds true, then Goku should surpass his SSJ4 Bebi Saga self with SSJ in the S17 Saga.
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It seems more likely that, SS2 Vegeta = SVB 2, given how he was never presented as being outstanding compared to Super Oob in base. Even if going by the theory you present, the latter part doesn't have to be a sure thing, given how Elder Kaioshin stated that SS4 Goku wasn't even using "a smidgen" of his full power when he was fighting on par with SVB2.
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I believe this:

  Goku SSJ4 FP (Baby) >>>> Baby Vegeta (Golden Monkey) = SSJ4 Goku (Baby) >>>>>> Goku SSJ3 (S17) >>>> SSJ2 Goku (S17) >> Super 17 (initial)> > SSJ Goku (S17) >> SSJ2 Vegeta (S17) >>>> SSJ Vegeta (S17)> = SSJ2 Vegeta (Post Baby) = SBV2 = Majuub (S17) = Base Goku (S17)> Majuub (Baby) >> > SSJ Vegeta (Post Baby) = Super Baby Vegeta (1) >>>>>> Vegetto SSJ (Boo)> = Base Vegeta (Post Baby) = Baby Vegeta (Base)> Adult Baby> = SSJ3 Goku (Baby).
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what makes you think that ssj goku is above that ssj4 goku???

I am curious
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Edited by Pointer, Aug 13 2014, 01:33 PM.
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Pointer
Aug 13 2014, 11:29 AM
what makes you think that ssj goku is above that ssj4 goku???

I am curious
:what:
It was just a theory. The CC denied. Here again is my string:

  Goku SSJ4 FP (Baby) >>>> Baby Vegeta (Golden Monkey) = SSJ4 Goku (Baby) >>>>>> Goku SSJ3 (S17) >>>> SSJ2 Goku (S17) >> Super 17 (initial)> > SSJ Goku (S17) >> SSJ2 Vegeta (S17) >>>> SSJ Vegeta (S17)> = SSJ2 Vegeta (Post Baby) = SBV2 = Majuub (S17) = Base Goku (S17)> Majuub (Baby) >> > SSJ Vegeta (Post Baby) = Super Baby Vegeta (1) >> Base Vegeta (S17) >>>> Vegetto SSJ (Boo)> = Base Vegeta (Post Baby) = Baby Vegeta (Base)> Adult Baby> = SSJ3 Goku (Baby).
Edited by SIAD, Aug 13 2014, 02:40 PM.
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