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New Map Disscussions
Topic Started: January 11 2013, 06:48 PM (2,008 Views)
Harry64
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Well this thread as the title suggests is regarding the creation and introduction of a new RP map.

Please use this thread to give idea, thought and discussion regarding a new regional RP map.

Thank you,

Senator Cox
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Harry64
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February 23 2013, 10:56 AM
I agree with you Itsaria

Are you guys actually doing the pay system. I thought you rejected it?
I did but I thought I lost the argument? Well if thats not the case then by all means I reject the pay system...
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Itsaria
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Why would you reject the pay system? It's makes the business actually worth having, makes the map way better, because you don't have people role playing to get a shit load of land. I have several ideas I play to bring forth. I see no problem with it.
Edited by Itsaria, February 23 2013, 11:18 AM.
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Harry64
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Firstly it gives an unfair advantage to new players who will not have as much money as older players, secondly its unrealistic due to the fact that you don’t buy land in real life and lastly you shouldn’t mix a government/ regional economy up with Role play anyway...
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Firstly, do you think most of the immigrants that come to America have a lot of money? That's life. Secondly, what world do you live in? People buy land all the time. Private Property. It's a thing. Lastly, the government isn't mixing with role play. It's taking money for land purchases. Think of it as the government owns all the land, and we're buying it from them.

If we then had a government that had money, it could use said money to pay their budget. Actually pay the military. Make it worth joining. Have the government pay the senators/president/justices. Those are cool ideas. Maybe collect taxes of say, $100 a month or something. Awesome ideas.
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Harry64
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Firstly this isnt America, secondly nations dont but land, they take it (in most cases... but regardless of that its the norm to take, or claim it. Not buy it.), and thirdly what you just said is mixing the region/ government with Role play...
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Itsaria
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...Sorry we can't live in a utopia. That doesn't work. Life isn't fair. Period. No if, ands, or buts bout it.

Secondly you were arguing about how this isn't real life, now you want to be realistic? I don't really care what real nations do. This is NationStates but I'll say this really quick(Louisiana Purchase, Alaska, ect.)

Lastly, in what way? The REAL military. Not a role play military. They one you have to sigh up for.
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Mikhael Talleyrand
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Itsaria
February 23 2013, 12:18 PM
...Sorry we can't live in a utopia. That doesn't work. Life isn't fair. Period. No if, ands, or buts bout it.

Secondly you were arguing about how this isn't real life, now you want to be realistic? I don't really care what real nations do. This is NationStates but I'll say this really quick(Louisiana Purchase, Alaska, ect.)

Lastly, in what way? The REAL military. Not a role play military. They one you have to sigh up for.


Firstly, you're right about not being able to live in a Utopia, but that doesn't mean that you can't strive to make things as fair and just as possible. If we're going to give up doing that then we might as well resign ourselves to a dictator and do what he bids.

Secondly, allowing nations to roleplay for their land would mean that those who are active would get the most. This seems fair to me. You participate in roleplays and you gain something in the form of territorial control. This would be a fairer system than working with a pay system where some nations have $20,000, and others $100. You're basically saying that people who participate in Word Association should be able to get more land.

Thirdly, land purchases could be roleplayed without using a forum currency. Say Paj has a chunk of land I want to buy IC'ly, and we have a roleplay about the negotiations and he agrees. Boom. Realism. Using a forum currency that derives from every corner of the forum and is not gained IC'ly is mixing OOC with IC and is a big no no in RP.

Fourthly, MANY nations in this region shot down my RP Administration Bill because they wanted the government to stay out of RP. By your own words you would claim that we would be buying the plots of land from the government. This would be a very REAL breach in what the region wants, and what the few want.
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Firstly, you're right about not being able to live in a Utopia, but that doesn't mean that you can't strive to make things as fair and just as possible. If we're going to give up doing that then we might as well resign ourselves to a dictator and do what he bids.


Fair is not treating people under certain situations better than those not under those situations. Fair is treating everyone the same regardless of money, gender, sex, or race. That is fair.

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Secondly, allowing nations to roleplay for their land would mean that those who are active would get the most. This seems fair to me. You participate in roleplays and you gain something in the form of territorial control. This would be a fairer system than working with a pay system where some nations have $20,000, and others $100. You're basically saying that people who participate in Word Association should be able to get more land.


You contradicted yourself just there. What batter way to get people active than to give them a reword for being active? We'll be just as active in both departments. In fact, I'd say we would be more active if we had the pay system. Think about it. A nation that roleplays and partakes in Word Association is going to get twice as much money as the guy that just does Word Association. Thus giving the insensitive to nations to partake in all regions of the forums. So no sir, I'm not saying the guy that does Word Association should get more land, I'm saying the people that are more active in general should get more land. You actually have to work for what you get. Hate to break it to you, but capitalism works.

Besides, we've already tried that whole "Roleplay to get land" thing. All it becomes is a cluster fuck an a half. Because then you get new nations that look at the map, and pick a spot someone is currently roleplaying for, they ask for it, then you have to tell them they can't have it, which sucks for them because that was their favorite spot on the map. Then when the guys that roleplay for spots never let you know when they're done roleplaying for it, and they bitch at you for not having it done. It's really quite annoying.

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Thirdly, land purchases could be roleplayed without using a forum currency. Say Paj has a chunk of land I want to buy IC'ly, and we have a roleplay about the negotiations and he agrees. Boom. Realism. Using a forum currency that derives from every corner of the forum and is not gained IC'ly is mixing OOC with IC and is a big no no in RP.


You sure could! And why not make it ever better, and more rewording if you actually used the pay system. Then say if I wanted to buy parts of your land, I could actually do that, and you could actually be reworded for giving me you land by getting actual money.. I really don't see how you guys can possible oppose this..

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Fourthly, MANY nations in this region shot down my RP Administration Bill because they wanted the government to stay out of RP. By your own words you would claim that we would be buying the plots of land from the government. This would be a very REAL breach in what the region wants, and what the few want.


It's a map. The government doesn't partake in any involvement besides the fact that that's where your money goes. And as I've stated before, this could be cool, because it could be like a "tax" of sorts, and the government could then pay senators/president/justices/military, what have you. Thus making those positions worth doing, because you get more money, you become more active, thus getting you more money, and then you can buy more land. So. Yeah. This works.. oh, I don't know. Really well.
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Mikhael Talleyrand
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Oh besides the fact that the majority of the region do not want the changes you're proposing? Want a forum currency? Fine. But keep it out of the RP section because we won't be mixing IC with OOC action. As the RP Administer I will not allow it, unless the majority of the region wishes it to be changed. If you start a poll and there is a clear majority vote for the implementation of OOC Forum Currency in the IC sections of this RP area, then I will be behind it 100%. I'll even assist in getting everything set up for it's implementation and assisting those do the most work on it. Though using OOC elements in a IC setting to me is clearly a breach in the rules under Meta-Gaming/God-Modding. People shouldn't be rewarded IC'ly for participating in the World Association area of the forum which literally has nothing to do with RP. They should rewarded for good writing, good ideas, and collaboration with their peers.

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I'm pretty sure we agreed on this issue I was the main one against it until someone mentioned we could RP the advancement rather taking of the land and if we lost we wouldn't pay for it. Unless we were to win
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