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| Claims Discussion Thread | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: February 26 2013, 01:39 PM (131 Views) | |
| G-Tech | February 26 2013, 01:39 PM Post #1 |
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Righto, since apparently having a discussion about claims in the claims thread is illegal, I suppose I'll have to transfer said discussion here. It seems Tunasai and I are in a state of contention over the disposition of territory 75. Pursuant to Tunasai's argument: His prior claim to similar territory in the old continuity map. His creation of the claims thread, and instantaneous claim of said disputed territory in an attempt to circumvent the process of debate and claim territory 75 as a fait accompli. Pursuant to my (G-Tech's) argument: My claim to 75 in the new map discussion thread, prior to Tunasai's claims to the same territory later in said thread. Furthermore it should be noted that he saw fit to suppress my discussion of our claims dispute by deleting two posts in the official claims thread, which, apparently, not for the discussion of claims. |
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| Tu'Nasai | February 26 2013, 01:44 PM Post #2 |
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1. I'm glad you created a new thread for this. Thank you 2. I deleted your posts because you were thread-jacking. It was a claim thread, not a debate thread 3. I realize you tried to claim territory on the New Map Discussion Thread. However it was a "Discussion" thread, not a claim thread. That means we were discussing about the new map, not claiming territory on it. 4. You aren't even a citizen yet. If you aren't a citizen you cannot make a claim that stands. You can ask while you wait for approval but you cannot claim. 5. Neplesia gave me the powers to create the claim thread, which my name is the thread you state you claims on. I did just that and created it. You didn't get the territory. Please get over it |
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| Mikhael Talleyrand | February 26 2013, 01:56 PM Post #3 |
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All I ask is that you two try to keep this discussion/debate civil. At the end of said Debate Itsaria [Regional Cartographer] and myself [Roleplay Administrator] will convene and make an educated decision on said issue. Both of you have good arguments regarding your claims, so we'll try to be as fair possible. |
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| G-Tech | February 26 2013, 02:54 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks for your time in arbitrating this scuffle Nep. I was hoping we could handle this in a friendly manner, but that has proven not to be the case. In rejoinder to: 1. I'm glad you created a new thread for this. Thank you I continue to fail to see the need, but as such, you are welcome. 2. I deleted your posts because you were thread-jacking. It was a claim thread, not a debate thread The differentiation was not made in the previous Map thread, and as such was not implicit in this new claims thread. The old thread had eighteen pages of posts, a large percentage of which were not mere claims; they stand undeleted. Furthermore, in the opening post of the new thread discussion of the claims system was not prohibited in any way shape or form. Thus I can only conclude that you saw fit to use your status as Admin to delete my posts, as they were contrary to your views, and for no other reason which could be construed as modestly legitimate. That has nothing to do with the validity of my claim though: I merely present it as evidence that Tunasai decided to engage in unusual and shameful behavior in order to reinforce his own claim to territory 75. 3. I realize you tried to claim territory on the New Map Discussion Thread. However it was a "Discussion" thread, not a claim thread. That means we were discussing about the new map, not claiming territory on it. Discussion is not some limited commodity that can only be applied to a limited medium; it does not pertain to a single subset of a wider topic. If we are discussing the New Map, we are discussing all facets of the New Map. Saying that such a discussion does not pertain to claims on the New Map has no logical basis, save to limit the ability of nations to register claims in such a manner as to derive advantage for yourself. I further note that two other nations had placed claims in the thread before my claim, and you yourself saw fit to do so. You (Tunasai) only saw for to renounce any ability to claim territories when it became apparent that an individual, in this case me, had decided to claim territories you desired for yourself. 4. You aren't even a citizen yet. If you aren't a citizen you cannot make a claim that stands. You can ask while you wait for approval but you cannot claim. I see no legislation or support for this statement other than your words; thusly, I moot that it is simple fabrication in the moment, and simply irrelevant to the continuing debate of which entity holds primacy in their claim of territory 75. 5. Neplesia gave me the powers to create the claim thread, which my name is the thread you state you claims on. I did just that and created it. You didn't get the territory. Please get over it Indeed, Neplesua did give you (or him) the power to create such a claims thread. I do not dispute that point. I do however offer as evidence for our RP Moderators the fact that you created said thread at 12:06, as my forum clock shows, and posted your claim upon it at precisely 12:07, scarcely one minute later. I do not find it unreasonable to claim that, since you were unable to establish the primacy of your claim in contrast to mine, you undertook to create said claims thread and post your claim in such a manner as to preclude my reinforcement of my claim to territory 75. I further claim that you did so in order to attempt to establish the legitimacy of your claim as a fait accompli- a finished fact- and therefore precluding any further debate as to the disposition of territory 75. Additionally, on my own initiative, I offer. 6. Tunasai, you have confirmed multiple times that you have neither the time not energy to properly RP your nation. I offered to resolve a RP dispute with an RP war, and you stated quite flatly that you had neither the time nor inclination for such an activity. As the Map is, at it's heart, an RP affair, I move that I would be a better candidate for such a territory as 75, established as it is near active RPers, and therefore ask that my claim be granted primacy based on that consideration in addition to my previous points. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | February 26 2013, 06:54 PM Post #5 |
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He's got ya there Tuna, you're kinda being a dick over this whole thing... |
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| G-Tech | February 26 2013, 07:04 PM Post #6 |
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Remember TRE: civil discourse
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| The Ruescher Empire | February 26 2013, 07:07 PM Post #7 |
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It's okay G-Tech, I'm bringing him to court over the whole matter
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