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When is NFP going to realise
Topic Started: Dec 8 2012, 09:52 AM (184 Views)
suffox
that he needs someone a bit more dynamic than Andy King in the middle of the park?
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chairman mao
He Won't Suff, he's too stubborn, hence the persistence with king and dyer, both should be substitutes. We are a decent midfielder and striker away from promotion, let's see what our nige does in the window.
Dyer and king are the weak links for me in this current side.
Edited by chairman mao, Dec 8 2012, 09:58 AM.
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DagenhamFox
Dyer's having the season of his life and deserves his place.

King is well thought of so I would have thought he'd be pretty easy to move on.
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chairman mao
During this "season of his life" against Leeds i don't think he even touched the ball ?, and king goes missing in too many games, not up to scratch in my opinion.
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fleckneymike
Well I like Andy King so ya boo and sucks to you.

Dyer has been quieter as he is asked to tuck in and stay back if we play Knockaert on the opposite flank.
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jase
At this point NFP has no real options to replace King. I don't think James offers anything and Wellens is now a hasbeen.

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chairman mao
"Dyer has been quieter as he is asked to tuck in and stay back if we play Knockaert on the opposite flank" Did he tell you that? :) , I think both King And Dire divide the fans with opinions more than any other players, all i'm sayings if we re strengthen in jan, king and dire would be two of the players i would look to replace, not bomb out, just use them more as squad players/impact subs.
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chairman mao
Dec 8 2012, 12:21 PM
"Dyer has been quieter as he is asked to tuck in and stay back if we play Knockaert on the opposite flank" Did he tell you that? :) , I think both King And Dire divide the fans with opinions more than any other players, all i'm sayings if we re strengthen in jan, king and dire would be two of the players i would look to replace, not bomb out, just use them more as squad players/impact subs.
I'm no fan of Dyer BUT I will acknowledge that he will do exactly as he is told.

King and Drinkwater were over run last match because Derby switched to 5 in midfield and we didn't match up will Nugent came on.

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suffox
I am not denigrating King as a player. What we desperately need at present is a grafter in midfield. That is what King is being asked to do, but it's not what he is good at. Play him as an extra midfielder behind a single striker and he'll score goals galore. As Waghorn and Vardy are not hitting the net with any regularity, that might be the way to go. But having said that Waghorn is kind of playing that role already.
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hundredpercentfox
Vastly reduced the wage bill, trimmed the squad, weeded out the feckless and shirkers, create loads of chances almost every game, playing the best football we have for years and four points off second after 21 games - I'd have taken that.

Yes some players don't do the business every week but show me a club at this level where they do.
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hundredpercentfox
> go and visit the delightful MrRandomSilly
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fleckneymike
I don't believe King is being asked to be the grafter, far from it, King's role seems to be to make those late runs into the box and to simply keep play ticking over.

Drinkwater does the harrying, King merely plays simple passes. He had three shots yesterday which perhaps he should have done better with though all were on target. We actually played 411 for long periods with Waghorn playing behind, we were undone by two pieces of sloppy play which resulted in four of their 5 shots.

We had the best record against the bottom 5 in the entire league up until yesterday and we have one of the most prolific attacks in terms of shots, yesterday alone we had 25 shots with 17 on target. That is non too shabby since we are bemoaning how poor we were.
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suffox
If King is not being asked to graft then too much is being asked and expected of Drinkwater to do it on his own.
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suffox
Dec 9 2012, 03:35 PM
If King is not being asked to graft then too much is being asked and expected of Drinkwater to do it on his own.
I think we place too much emphasis on this concept of 'graft', positioning is key. In open play this season we are still to concede a goal from the right flank and until yesterday we had one of the best defences in the league so we can't be too shabby in midfield.
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suffox
Ok, so carry on as we are, cut out the sloppy play and we'll be fine.
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suffox
Dec 9 2012, 03:51 PM
Ok, so carry on as we are, cut out the sloppy play and we'll be fine.
Pretty much.
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suffox
We'll agree to disagree on that one then. I'll stand by my opening post that we need more dynamism in midfield than King is able to provide on a match by match basis
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kendalfox
KING....................The ultimate enigma used to be a guy who ghosted into positions that put the opposition in all kinds of trouble but now a pale shadow of that, static in midfieldgoes AWOL too many times in matches to be a player to be watched, short of aggression and short of skill he used to have to be a game turner.
We need someone with an aggressive attitude in midfield to give Drinkwater the ammunition for the front men........our football is fine until the biting tackles come in then we lose heart and find it difficult to play football midfield where the engineroom of any team creates its play

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suffox
Agreed, but I don't think that NFP is allowing him the free role which enabled him to get into those positions.
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fleckneymike
Our side is built to be creative from the flanks, the midfield merely to keep things ticking over and get the ball out wide. This is born out in the stats (organised according to assist)

Dyer 6 assists 21 shots 3 goals 10 fouls
Marshall 5 assists 24 shots 3 goals 8 fouls
Vardy 4 assists 26 shots 4 goals 7 fouls
Knockaert 4 assists 37 shots 4 goals 15 fouls
Knochesky 3 assist 3 shots 1 goal 11 fouls
Drinkwater 3 assists 14 shots 1 goal 32 fouls
Waghorn 3 assists 28 shots 2 goals 11 fouls
King 2 assists 24 shots 4 goals 4 fouls

'Fouls' clearly indicate who has what 'job' in the side and the emphasis we place on positioning rather than tackling/fouling
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DagenhamFox
Fleckney Mike is back. I've missed your stat's sir.
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Fouls indicate who has what job in the side? Waghorn and Konchesky have committed the same number. They have the same job? Knockaert 15? So he has a job of more tackling?
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suffox
Dec 9 2012, 04:33 PM
Fouls indicate who has what job in the side? Waghorn and Konchesky have committed the same number. They have the same job? Knockaert 15? So he has a job of more tackling?


I was interest more in the 'outlier' of Drinkwater (and I suppose King). Everyone else in the attacking unit (i.e. those with a significant amount of assists and goals) has an even distribution of fouls.

The problem with fouls is it either means you're making more tackes OR that you are shit at tackling.
Edited by fleckneymike, Dec 9 2012, 04:40 PM.
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suffox
Exactly, and so King is either outstandingly good at tackling, or doesn't put many in.
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