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X/Y Info. Game becomes less fun
Topic Started: Jun 14 2013, 02:13 PM (280 Views)
SemiBolt
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So they have been leaking a lot of X/Y info lately and thats good n all but I think people would enjoy the game more if they didn't know 60% of what's in the game before they even play it. Stuff becomes less exciting like '' :O Your a cool Pokemon I wonder what you evolve into!'' instead its ''I've already seen you online, I know your last evolution is good so I'm going to catch you'' Its like you get a present and you already know what's inside, then when you open it its not exciting as it would have been if you didn't peak into the box.
You become less surprised and excited when you see Pokemon cause you've already seen it.
Its like getting excited when you see leaked Pokemon and all this other stuff but when you get the game you won't be as excited cause you were already excited when you first saw it. So now its still fun but not as fun as it would have been

In my opinion I think people would enjoy the game more if they didn't see what's in the game before they played it.
But of course its up to you.
Edited by SemiBolt, Jun 14 2013, 02:17 PM.
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Zooki
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Whilst I do agree with what you say, they havent released that much content theres like another 80% left but yes it does take out some of the excitement
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Ender
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I think they're doing a good job. They're releasing enough information to tell us this will be different (new battle mode, new out-of-battle features, new type, no more sticking to the gridded system, character customization) so we really should look forward to this. It's a very big step up and the game will be very noticeably different. They are advertising the game.

You may be thinking "It's way too long before they get released!" but reserves are already running out in my area, so if they're going to maximize their audience and get the news out, they should do it while the more populous areas still have a chance to get info about it. I understand it's not going out quite as fast in other places, but Denver-area is pretty damn populated. I mean, DemonShadow, PinkBlaze, Luca, HelloSkitty9, D4RK*, and me are all from the same Pokemon Online clan and could all potentially meet in person. If that's just Pokemon Online metagame players (of all the metagame bases, and of all the clans on this one), then imagine how many people there are who'll be buying it. When I go off to college, there are two more in my friend group who also play Pokemon Online.

(*I might be mistaking D4RK for another user with a name similar to Dark.)

Not everyone has a 3DS. They need to make people who don't have one want to buy one, and by showing people exactly what they're getting this far out, they're giving people the time to make the money to buy one.

There are also those who will wait because of money reasons or because they want to emulate it. There will be no spoilers for them. And, honestly, there are no surprises. Really. Everyone knows Darth Vader is Luke's father and everyone knows Snape kills Dumbledore. Everyone knows these things inside and out. There will be no surprises when you play the game for yourself. Serebii [the user, not the site] will be playing the spree and taking notes so fast, you won't even have picked your copy up from the store before every piece of the game is exposed to the internetz.

I don't doubt I'll still be surprised. But, it's the metagame I'm interested in seeing. I know no matter how different the RPG part of it is, it'll still be ridiculously easy to beat. I am very sure the metagame will be interesting. Don't think Dragons are helpless with Fairies around- don't forget about Dark versus Psychic and how Psychic is still one of the most popular offensive AND defensive types. Earthquake is one of the most popular moves in the game despite not being able to touch Flying-types or Levitate users. Dragon-types were really unbalanced in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gens, so I'm glad Fairy-types stop them. They needed balancing just like Psychic needed it in Gen 1.
Edited by Ender, Jun 14 2013, 05:47 PM.
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What will a fairy do to a dragon though? At least before there was some logic in the type advantages. Dragon's scales tend to repel magic so surely a dragon would resist it's attacks unless the tooth fairy came in and sprayed it with teeth or something. Dragons don't like the cold and can also be destroyed by themselves. Imo they should have made ice types resist dragon as a dragon hates going anywhere near something cold and it'd give ice another much needed resistance.

Now on to the main question and I do feel they're giving a little too much information away. If they announced a new type then that'd be fine but giving it it's type chart already is a bit much. The only reason that I'm glad atm is because they haven't completely ruined gen 6 yet but instead made it illogical and turning the best offensive type into arguably the worst while giving us another type to counter if you want to play with stall =/
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Ender
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Dragon sucks. Rocks' the best offensive type. They don't need 120-power 100-accuracy moves to show it. Rock has the best super-to-not effective ratio (the only one that will be above 1x assuming it hits every single type in existence) and that's why we see it balanced by lower accuracy.

Plus, Psychic didn't get nerfed when Dark came around (and since when does Psychic do nothing to Dark, logically?).

What do you have against stall? Does every team need to be hyper-offensive for you to have fun? Is my team just that annoying to you lol? I get that a lot. Don't worry- I promise the only Fairy I'll be considering putting on my team is Clefable.
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Jun 14 2013, 05:03 PM
I think they're doing a good job. They're releasing enough information to tell us this will be different (new battle mode, new out-of-battle features, new type, no more sticking to the gridded system, character customization) so we really should look forward to this. It's a very big step up and the game will be very noticeably different. They are advertising the game.

You may be thinking "It's way too long before they get released!" but reserves are already running out in my area, so if they're going to maximize their audience and get the news out, they should do it while the more populous areas still have a chance to get info about it. I understand it's not going out quite as fast in other places, but Denver-area is pretty damn populated. I mean, DemonShadow, PinkBlaze, Luca, HelloSkitty9, D4RK*, and me are all from the same Pokemon Online clan and could all potentially meet in person. If that's just Pokemon Online metagame players (of all the metagame bases, and of all the clans on this one), then imagine how many people there are who'll be buying it. When I go off to college, there are two more in my friend group who also play Pokemon Online.

(*I might be mistaking D4RK for another user with a name similar to Dark.)

Not everyone has a 3DS. They need to make people who don't have one want to buy one, and by showing people exactly what they're getting this far out, they're giving people the time to make the money to buy one.

There are also those who will wait because of money reasons or because they want to emulate it. There will be no spoilers for them. And, honestly, there are no surprises. Really. Everyone knows Darth Vader is Luke's father and everyone knows Snape kills Dumbledore. Everyone knows these things inside and out. There will be no surprises when you play the game for yourself. Serebii [the user, not the site] will be playing the spree and taking notes so fast, you won't even have picked your copy up from the store before every piece of the game is exposed to the internetz.

I don't doubt I'll still be surprised. But, it's the metagame I'm interested in seeing. I know no matter how different the RPG part of it is, it'll still be ridiculously easy to beat. I am very sure the metagame will be interesting. Don't think Dragons are helpless with Fairies around- don't forget about Dark versus Psychic and how Psychic is still one of the most popular offensive AND defensive types. Earthquake is one of the most popular moves in the game despite not being able to touch Flying-types or Levitate users. Dragon-types were really unbalanced in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gens, so I'm glad Fairy-types stop them. They needed balancing just like Psychic needed it in Gen 1.
Yeah if you mostly play the meta game then go for it lol
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Was there a need to quote the whole thing...?
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Jun 15 2013, 09:57 AM

What do you have against stall? Does every team need to be hyper-offensive for you to have fun? Is my team just that annoying to you lol? I get that a lot. Don't worry- I promise the only Fairy I'll be considering putting on my team is Clefable.
What nothing. I was saying that it'd be harder to make stall teams due to one more type you have to cover for. Haven't you seen me moan about the power creep and saying how it's ridiculous how many op threats exist. I've used stall before and I like using it but it's very hard to use when we have mix mence, mixed hydriegon, sd terrakion, rain/sun boosted attacks and by adding one more thing will make stall even harder to build. I've also asked for new spinners (helps stall), new spinblockers (helps stall) and a decent amount of pokemon to get spikes (helps stall too). The hyper offense metagame sucks tbh and that's the fault of the insane power creap. Gf screwed up in gen 5 just cause they want to sell to 5 year olds who'd prefer a ridiculously op pokemon to a sturdy wall (me not included). I don't not use stall because I hate it, I tend not to use stall because how hard it is for well made HO teams to beat it.
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That doesn't change my feelings for Clefable.
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I have no clue how to quote selected words.
I could copy and paste it I guess lol
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Okay first of all, don't think of fairy as tinkerbell, think of fairy as the magic type. Magic has been beating dragons for centuries. Just look at Merlin. It makes sense. Also I agree with Homura's statement about the good job they're doing in releasing info. They haven't given any real plot spoilers, just some info about some new Pokemon, some new ideas to bounce around with, and some of the new mechanics. Before some of these releases I didn't think X and Y would be that great. I was a little unimpressed since I didn't care at all for B/W or B/W2. I thought the creators had forsaken their fans and were just being repetitive and boring. Now I see that they are doing things to cater to their audience. They're trying to balance the metagame a bit by adding this type. They're adding ways to interact with your pokemon and add a personality to your individual pokemon. They're making new ways to play the game and keep things fresh and still stay true to the series. Before some of these releases I'd semi considered playing an emulator. Now I'm planning on buying a 3DS because this game looks really good. I'm really impressed and I think that there are good things in store and still plenty of surprises to discover.
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Oh and as for tamer's stall comment, they haven't released anything about fairy's type chart other than super effectiveness to dragon, and even from some semi-reliable preliminary leaks, it doesnt look like fairy will have amazing coverage and will be stalled by types like psychic and fire and be weak to the already well-stalling steel type. So, I suppose my real question here is who actually uses dragons to really stall? Most (with exceptions like dragonite and latias) don't have a reliable recovery move in conjunction with any form of defensive stats. I know you love your dragons, tamer, but you have to realize that as a type they are a bit OP with their lack of weaknesses and only steel type that resists their attacks so adding ONE more weakness isn't going to ruin them, it will just make it harder for n00bs to put together teams that are just DD/Outrage. I'm sure since you know the type, you'll have no problem leaping this slight new hurdle.
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There is a quote button on the Full Reply screen:

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Ender
 
Here's a quote


Just remove the spaces.


When you use the quote button on people's posts (on the main view thread page), you also have the option to edit the text below the main entry that previews what's being quoted. Just trim what you don't want to quote.
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Merli didn't beat the dragons? He tamed them. He was a dragon lord and had control over the dragons like that. DD Outrage only beats players who haven't made a good team. There are things like scarf thunderous-T, mamoswine, weaville, any steel, scarf chomp, scarf terrakion, scarf keldeo, scarf latios/latias. Read Harry Potter? Read Goblet of fire and there's the most popular proof of Dragons>fairies. I belive dragons can be op but I'd want a logical thing to beat it: Knights, Ice, Tamers. They all beat dragons in the mythical world and fairies don't tame dragons. I don't know why ice doesn't resist dragons as it would boost a weaker type and also give a way of beating the better types logically. Can I ask does fairy resist dragon as their are so many fake sites idk what to believe.
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Heh, there are several types to me that seem that they should be weak to another type (I admit, most of them are weak to ice, but well, you know). Most of the counter tammer listed were scarfed pokemon, just pointing out. While not a ig fan of 'fairy' necessarily, I do think a new type is interesting. To me, it seems that dragon isn't the only type that could use a little balancing. Steel to me seems better than dragon, as it may have one more weakness, but it has many immunities/resistances. Just my opinion, don't be mad =)

As for the game being ruined, I agree with Ender, they are doing a good b a releasing stuff. How is this any worse than past generations when Japan gets their games way before us, and we see the new pokemon way before hand? It isn't, not at all. Think that argument takes the cake, so that's what I think.
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