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Night 1
Topic Started: May 16 2013, 11:51 PM (118 Views)
Thundawave
Regine
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So, say hello to your teammates and figure out a plan of action. DESTROY ELM!
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Kyogre
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This has to be one of the worst Mafia rolesets I could possibly think of. For the 3 roles (Godfather is a given), we have Mafioso, basically a nerfed Godfather, a Janitor, who only gets 2 uses, is in a game with no Last Wills, and really isn't that good overall, and a Framer, who can be used well, but it's not easy. At least no Blackmailer, but lack of Consigliere or Kidnapper is disappointing. We do have 4 of us, though, so at least that's good.

Well, you work with what you get, and with a roleset like this the primary strategy I think is fairly clear. Disruption, confusion, and trickery. Mark should be good at this, it's one of his strengths.

As for what to do, I think Godfather should kill. Spree Killer Immunity when the Evil Neutral is unknown could be wise. As for who to target, we could go with what Mafia did last game and hit someone who seems an unlikely target. Godfather may be immune to Spree Killer and even Watcher, but a Bus of, say, bluejay and me, would result in self pwnage if we targeted bluejay. Not to mention, if confusion is the strategy, picking a less obvious target in hopes of Town overanalyzing may be wise. Which of course would leave me doing nothing. But, hey, someone is going to be stuck doing nothing, me or Erica, might as well be the one without immunities.

I'm wondering what you guys think of using a Janitor clean on the first turn. It's limiting, but it could really screw things up for Town not even knowing what happened the first night beyond who was killed. Of course, Day 2 lynches are usually wrong anyway, but it could cause confusion, and without Last Wills, it's not like we'll be preventing Investigative reveals or anything. Thoughts?

Finally, Framer I'm not quite sure who to frame. Any ideas? As for what to frame as, Blackmailer looks appealing because it's really hard to defend against. Mayors could just reveal, Mason Leaders are rare and one may even expect Masons to come to their Defense, and Cult Leader is evil. It would be easy to justify the risk compared to something with Town Power Roles in the grouping. Or, we could Frame as a slow Evil Neutral like Arsonist, and if the Evil Neutral isn't Serial Killer or Spree Killer (or the Spree Killer sucks), Sheriff investigation would be certain doom. Choosing who though is hard because picking someone obvious allows for potential quick investigations the night of while taking the risk of an actual Spree Killer.

What do you guys think?
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Tiamo
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I think the role set is balanced by the number advantage we have relative to the town. It's not a great line-up, but it's too early to complain when we don't know what the town got. :P

As for the team members, I think we got a good hand here. The only person who hasn't played mafia-side before is Kaity. I think it would be best if Chris and I played as usual (i.e. opposite philosophies) in order to reduce the chances of somebody fingering both of us. It would probably be best if Kaity played the way she usually does too, as she generally comes off as quite town-like and usually contributes a point or two.

Erica, though, you're going to need to change your playstyle. I've watched you play evil twice now, and both times you made the same mistakes. You need to lurk in the background a lot less and contribute more. If you're not contributing, you're dead weight to the town and that makes you prime for picking off early on when there are no leads. I can understand if you're busy in real life, but that shouldn't impact your game contributions significantly. It's just as much a reason FOR you to be mafia (i.e. Vince in Marriland Mafia V8) just as it is for you to not be.

Long story short, make longer posts. Play more citizen like (more accusatory) since you have cover from the Sheriff.

Moving on to night strategy: I don't think we should use the Janitor Night 1. I think we should wait until tomorrow night when we've had the day to judge how people are posting, and gauge who might have what role. We know that Benign Neutrals and stuff will likely hang back, whilst town power roles (and good citizens) will be trying to push the discussion forward. I don't want to waste a use before we've had a chance to figure it out for ourselves.

For framing: I'm up for framing tonight; no reason not to do it, after all. Problem is do we frame as a EN or frame as mafia? Framing as EN is certain death, but as soon as that lynch occurs they'll figure out there's a framer and thus I'll lose some of my effectiveness as the town will become more apprehensive to lynching. Of course, this works both ways since we can use that as a defence if we get busted. I'm nervous of a Spree Killer (I have BADDDDDDD luck with that role and Night 1) so I'd prefer to go after someone quiet for both killing and framing.

Let's have a look at the list:

1. Primal Dialga
2. Tiamo
3. :::...Quil...:::
4. Beast Boy
5. Kaity
6. Kyogre

7. GMasterShuboltz
8. Moon Moon
9. TheWhymsicalOne
10. Zallow
11. Blackjay
12. H!p$£r B0!1098
13. Thom Yorke
14. Jesskat
15. RukuTehWolf
16. Boss
17. Nicolas Cage
18. Mihael Keehl

Those striked out are those likely to have protection. Those in red are us (obviously). Some of those striked out are more likely than others to have protection, but I'd rather not take risks when we don't have an idea of what hand the town has been dealt. So that leaves 9 or so possible targets tonight.

Any thoughts?
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Kaity
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Hai guys, this is the first game out of the like several I played that I came out as a mafia member...So I'll try my best to do well with this.

And thank you for the list Mark! Makes things quite easier when selecting a target.

Anyways, based on the people not scratched out or anything. I would suggest going after someone that would just make people more "eh" than anything. Like Luke or something, he is surely not to have any protection on him.
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Kyogre
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I agree that Janitor use would be better to hold in reserve. Day 2 Lynch will almost certainly hit their own anyway unless we do something remarkably stupid. As for Framer, I see your point over them finding out there is a Framer, but as soon as they lynch ANYONE whose results turn up differently then what investigations showed, they'll have the same revelation. And seeing as a Framer has little use otherwise, we might as well. Though I suppose framing something other than Evil Neutral (other than Godfather, of course) would likely be just as incriminating upon Sheriff investigation now that I think about it. Really, we can frame as any role and hope for maximum confusion via investigator before getting a nice Sheriff investigation and a free lynch. Maybe people will even think the Sheriff is lying, but we couldn't afford to encourage that as it would attract suspicion, and it's not likely Town will make that mistake, Occam's Razor would suggest a Framer.

Let's not hit H!p$£r B0!1098, they may be guarded or something due to annoying name. We could probably get away with killing Moon Moon and Framing Quil as Blackmailer.
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Wotter
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I agree with not getting Midget, but I don't think we should aim for Zac; he's actually a smart player and could possibly be guarded, but framing Quil sounds good.
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Kyogre
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How about

Erica: Kill Boss
Kaity: Do Nothing
Mark: Frame :::...Quil...::: as Blackmailer
Chris: Do Nothing

That could work, I think.
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Wotter
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Kyogre
May 18 2013, 11:17 AM
How about

Erica: Kill Boss
Kaity: Do Nothing
Mark: Frame :::...Quil...::: as Blackmailer
Chris: Do Nothing

That could work, I think.
Nobody knows how Boss is in Mafia, so that could probably work. I'll wait for any comments on this before locking it in.

Also, if anybody fucks up, it's going to be me. 8D
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Thundawave
Regine
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You have a little less than ten hours left to decide your night actions.
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Thundawave
Regine
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You now have roughly three hours left. I'll use those actions if you don't change them.
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Wotter
Erica
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Ah, fuck it. I'm locking it in.
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