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Night 4
Topic Started: Jun 1 2013, 08:20 PM (119 Views)
Thundawave
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What are you all going to do now?
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Tiamo
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Regine, why did you leave that disclaimer? That's giving the town information that they shouldn't have. If their perfect theory is wrong, they should figure it out for themselves or suffer the consequences. Giving them hints is unfair. Can you please delete that line?

Anyway, I was going to say that we can still win this assuming Vince gets lynched, because there won't be enough days remaining for the town to prevent a tie.

There are 9 left.

Someone is killed tonight, Kaity or I is lynched tomorrow. (7)
Someone is killed tomorrow, Kaity or I are lynched the day after (5)
Someone is killed that night, Vince is lynched (3)
Someone is killed that night, leaving two which is a tie and a mafia win.

It also works if Vince is killed earlier. We just need Vince to die.

Though like I said, that line needs to go. =/
Edited by Tiamo, Jun 1 2013, 08:25 PM.
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Thundawave
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Oh wait. I don't need that line. I was going to use Marriland usernames, but I scrapped the idea. I guess that you read it that way.
Edited by Thundawave, Jun 1 2013, 08:49 PM.
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Tiamo
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I read it in the sense you were informing the town they hadn't got it all right. My apologies if you didn't mean it that way, but it was rather unclear what it meant and it's better to leave it altogether.

Anyway what was I saying...

Oh yeah, Vincent needs to be lynched if we need to win this. The town still don't know there's a Framer in the game, and hopefully they won't until it's too late. So I'm going to frame Vincent as Blackmailer.

I don't think it matters TOO much, who will kill. Ultimately this game will be decided on whether they figure Chris out or not. Killing Austin is the best way to ensure that doesn't happen, but he may have protection. I would suggest somebody like Luke who was leaning to Vince's side, but that might cause a wine reaction and allow them to figure out what we're doing. So maybe somebody neutral like Jess.
Edited by Tiamo, Jun 1 2013, 09:02 PM.
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Actually if David checks Chris it could be all over. Unless they check Chris and then see that I'm Framer. But having David check Vince is the best way to win this game. And David is the other likely candidate for protection.

Ideas, people?
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Kyogre
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Frame Vince as any Mafia role other than Consigliere, Godfather, Thief, Kidnapper, or Drug Dealer. If I'm missing one, whatever, just something that doesn't give night notifications and isn't Consigliere (because they would be Godfather now) or Godfather (turns nothing up on Sheriff investigation). Preferably not Blackmailer, as I'd like to pin that on Mark. I mean, let's face it, like it or not the entire game hinges on me and Vince, Mark and Kaity are doomed anyway. Hopefully Davey will investigate Vince instead of me. Oh, and we can kill RukuTehWolf or Jess. Austin is likely to be protected by Vince, who is basically confirmed Doctor (from our point of view). And we need them to lynch Vince. We could kill Davey, but I am reluctant to do so because Austin already thinks I'm telling the truth, if we kill off the Sheriff, that would place me under suspicion. Not to mention he could be protected instead of Austin, for all we know.

Basically, our best bet is to kill RukuTehWolf or Jess (who cares which?) and Frame Vince as something (Janitor I think would be best). Kaity can go ahead and clean, but it's not like it matters. Basically, if they lynch Vince, we kill someone and deadlock during the day, then finish the next night. If they find me out, it's over.

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Kaity
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Basically....Based on what ya'll suggested...

Frame: Vince (as the blackmailer or janitor)
Kill: Luke or Jess

I can clean if ya'll want me too, might as well get my last use out of the way since either Mark or I are gonna get lynched within the next couple days.

Hopefully we can get Vince to be lynched, (if Austin is still alive, it might be easier to get Vince to be lynched, but we might risk Chris being exposed) But yes I agree, Vince has to be lynched in order for us to win this. That, and the town has to believe Chris's claim for the rest of the game.

And just hope that Chris doesn't get found out.

Edited by Kaity, Jun 1 2013, 11:04 PM.
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Kyogre
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Jun 1 2013, 10:47 PM
Basically....Based on what ya'll suggested...

Frame: Vince (as the blackmailer or janitor)
Kill: Luke or Jess

I can clean if ya'll want me too, might as well get my last use out of the way since either Mark or I are gonna get lynched within the next couple days.

Hopefully we can get Vince to be lynched, (if Austin is still alive, it might be easier to get Vince to be lynched, but we might risk Chris being exposed) But yes I agree, Vince has to be lynched in order for us to win this. That, and the town has to believe Chris's claim for the rest of the game.

And just hope that Chris doesn't get found out.

They don't have to believe my claim for the rest of the game, just long enough to lynch Vincent. If we kill successfully tonight and they lynch Vincent tomorrow, there will be 4 Mafia and 3 Town, and no Doctor. So we can kill anyone the next Night guaranteed, and the next day is 3-3, meaning they can't lynch us, as there is no Mayor. We kill at night, and game. Same situation holds if they lynch Mark and/or Kaity so long as we match it with a successful kill the following Night. A single wrong lynch for them loses the game, no matter when it happens.
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Simply put, getting Vince lynched is game. We just need to make it happen. Obviously the sooner the better, but Chris shouldn't push for any one of us to be lynched in any order because it would draw suspicion onto him. Leave that to the others.

The problem I have with pushing Blackmailer onto me is that they currently think I'm the Janitor (for what reason I still don't understand). When I get lynched, they'll see that I'm the Framer. When they see that I am not the Janitor, they'll know that one of the other two mafia will be. They think the last mafia is Consig turned Godfather, so they'll realise there is no Blackmailer. I'd say it's probably better to try and not label me as any specific role for the purposes of lynching (if you want to do it as a list then that's fine) because that may get the town to think too much about the issue. We want them to not be thinking too much; the key to winning this is to let them get caught in their overconfidence.

Chris may want to pretend to be blackmailed again. If nobody else has been blackmailed since Night 2, they may become suspicious of its existence.
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Kyogre
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I was thinking about the thing with nobody getting Blackmailed since, but I guess I could just claim Mafia has intentionally not Blackmailed to frame me. Feigning Blackmailed again will make them wonder why Austin wasn't Blackmailed. So I don't know.

I'm not planning on directly pushing any roles on anyone, I'll let them do that.
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Tiamo
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Well it's your call, Kaity and I are effectively dead people walking. I'm merely offering suggestions to try and improve our chances. I see what you mean, though regarding Austin not being blackmailed.
Edited by Tiamo, Jun 2 2013, 11:27 AM.
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Kyogre
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So, who shall we kill? You said RukuTehWolf supported GMaster, so that would be suspicious. So I guess we can kill and clean Jess (not that cleaning really matters) and Frame GMaster as Janitor.
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Kaity
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Yea, I'm honestly kind of surprised they haven't started wondering about that (so that is a little bit of good luck I suppose)..So really not sure of what to do about that, because on one hand it might help Chris out a little bit more, but as you pointed out Chris, it might make people wonder why Austin didn't become blackmailed due to his "perfect theory".

Basically like Mark said, it's up to you. Since basically, Mark and I are just waiting to die at this point (whenever that is).

Edit: Ninja'd. Yes, even though my power doesn't really matter at this point, we can go ahead and make use of it before I get lynched. But framing GMaster would be the way to go (especially if the heat is on him tomorrow).
Edited by Kaity, Jun 2 2013, 11:42 AM.
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Tiamo
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Mark ->Frame GMasterShuboltz as Janitor (I guess, it doesn't really matter because Sheriff doesn't get the name of the role).
Chris -> Kill Jess.
Kaity -> Clean Jess.

Look good?
Edited by Tiamo, Jun 2 2013, 11:58 AM.
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Kyogre
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Yes, that's good.
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Kaity
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Yep that is good.
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Tiamo
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Lock it in.
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Kyogre
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Yeah, you can go ahead and lock it in, Thunda.

Kaity, Mark, if the Day starts after 10:00 PM EST tonight, hold off your votes until you see me online. If possible, I will meet you shortly before 10:00 AM tomorrow. If two Towns have voted Shuboltz, we can all vote in a row to lock it in.
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