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| Frankezia | Aug 17 2013, 05:33 AM Post #1 |
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Today, I had bit of an argument with Christian Democrats about his WA proposal "Unwed Parenthood Act". We got a bit off track and argued about marriage itself. He got pretty much... ungracious when I stated, that, and I quote, "until around 1900, "til death do us part" meant 10, 15 years at best, due to high mortality rates. Today, it can easily mean 50 years. You don't get that much for first degree murder." It is my opinion that the concept of marriage was meant to prevent the physical fights, later formal duels (which, for example, werer common in Germany until as late as the 19th century) about women, and certainly needs to be revisited for 21th century use. Am I that far off? |
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| Kennedystan | Aug 17 2013, 05:41 PM Post #2 |
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I have no problem with consenting adults wanting to get married. I have a problem with people being coerced into marriage (especially children) by either the law or their community. |
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| Akska | Aug 21 2013, 02:58 AM Post #3 |
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That quote was pretty awesome. Great display of logic. As for marriage in the 21st century, it seems that debates of marriage tend to be fuelled by one of two things: religious views, which have no place in politics as it is, and taxes, specifically how a "family unit" is taxed. Marriage is truly a formality, in my opinion. If consenting people want to get married, it's their right as a human being to do so. It's a great way of professing your love to the world. When people start getting married under pressure of government, customs, family, etc. it bothers me. In this day and age, I would expect marriage to be a profession of love and nothing more, but it seems we have not all matured as a society enough to accept that, which is why people who really don't want to get married, or are not old enough to be consenting, still get married. Edited by Akska, Aug 21 2013, 03:00 AM.
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| Ruise | Aug 21 2013, 01:53 PM Post #4 |
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Well, being religious, I think a marriage is holy. But I do not force my opinions on others, nor should they be marrying because I think they should. For me the concept of marriage is a bond together with God, but obviously many people marry that aren't religious and why should I say they shouldn't? I think the advantages of being married (e.g. change in tax class) should stay. It shows that you are indeed together with someone, and there are many reasons why you should get a different tax class. Religious marriage and the formal aspect of it are completely different either way.. nearly everybody nowadays only does it the formal way. But, don't hate on my views. I know it's become a trend in NSG. |
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| Frankezia | Aug 21 2013, 02:54 PM Post #5 |
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Ruise, I presume you are Catholic? Be assured that I don't mean to denounce religious marriage ceremonies, as I am aware of that a good number of religions consider marriage as sacred. But I am also aware that there are religions (for example, Wiccans, other Celtic-origin beliefs, Chinese Masters of Heaven, a number of African religions) whose marriages are temporary and automatically end after a certain period of time if not renewed. So my point of view is neither new nor unique, I think. Akska, the comparison between marriage and a criminal sentence was meant to be mostly funny. But on a second thought, imagine you are living in a failed marriage and you can't "just" file for divorce, for whatever reason (considered a sin by your religion, financial reasons, social pressure, just to name a few). And zip, the comparison isn't that funny anymore. |
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| Azerzia | Aug 24 2013, 04:58 PM Post #6 |
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I do believe there are a number of benefits to stable marriage, including overall happiness and (if there are any) a better homelife for children in such a household. That is not to say that most single parents are not incredible at the balancing act, but that they are at a disadvantage. In my personal view, people should be encouraged to marry but only after they have not only reached legal adulthood but personal maturity and stability. In essence, 18 year-olds should not marry since most have very little idea what the next year holds for them, let alone 50. A 30 year old, on the other hand, will frequently have a career and know what they are doing with their lives. |
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| Neo-Sapientia | Aug 24 2013, 10:32 PM Post #7 |
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I think marriage and parenthood are two different things and should be legally separated. Couples, whether married or not, have the same access to birth control so I believe what should be encouraged is having kids when you are mature enough to raise them. A marriage is a different contract altogether and couples should neither be encouraged nor be discouraged toward it. It is clear that in most of the world at the moment kids are born mostly from married couples. This link, I think, is getting archaic, rooted in religions as well as long lasting tradition-based morals. Unmarried couples are equally fit to be parents under otherwise similar conditions. With such a separation, it becomes clear, in my opinion, that marriage is a purely personal matter. A marriage-independant civil contract can then exist to legalize a union between two people. To be fair it should include about as much obligations than perks (which I think it more or less does already in most western countries) so that it is not, for example, a legal exploit for tax exemption. Edited by Neo-Sapientia, Aug 24 2013, 10:34 PM.
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