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| Why aren't the British middle-classes staging a revolution?; "Why aren't the middle-classes more angry about stories such as the Phones4U collapse, and what will it take to tip us over" | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 26 2014, 02:38 PM (390 Views) | |
| jeevesnwooster | Sep 26 2014, 02:38 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11109845/Why-arent-the-British-middle-classes-staging-a-revolution.html I thought this article was fairly unusual for the Torygraph, but interesting to say the least
"We're all in it together" takes on a whole new meaning, of course anything regarding the middle-classes and their sense of self-entitlement ("were officer class, just like you") is usually a bit irritating but the guy's bang on the mark here mostly |
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| papasmurf | Sep 26 2014, 03:44 PM Post #2 |
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I just wonder when the middle class are going to realise the Tories are screwing them as much as they are the working class. |
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| jeevesnwooster | Sep 26 2014, 03:48 PM Post #3 |
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That's..the gist of the article |
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| RJD | Sep 26 2014, 05:35 PM Post #4 |
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I do not think the Tory Party is obtaining any financial gain, but the State is and that is us and our children. This Gov. has been rather lackadaisical wrt to cutting the deficit, it should have managed to get this behind us in 5 years. When is Joe Public going to realise that the likes of Mr Smurf intend to impoverish their children and their children's children as he boosts welfare benefits to all and sundry with no questions asked. Nasty people who do not give a fig for future generations and always want something for nothing without ever saying thank you. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 26 2014, 06:18 PM Post #5 |
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Where have I ever suggest boosting welfare benefits? Where have I ever stated no questions asked? |
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| jeevesnwooster | Sep 26 2014, 06:30 PM Post #6 |
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I wouldn't worry papa, his politics consist of generalisations, misrepresentation, exaggeration and selective use of facts that suit his agenda. "I do not think the Tory Party is obtaining any financial gain" Why do you shut your eyes to the most obvious facts staring everyone in the face? Instead just talk about how NL have similar corporate interests if I bring up evidence, which is easy as sin to find WHat is the point in being such a stick in the mud, stubbornness is a bad trait not a good one, integrity is standing up for what yuo believe to be right and you, CJD, are a stubborn man, not a man of integrity |
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| Affa | Sep 26 2014, 06:47 PM Post #7 |
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I do not expect the Middle Class to rock the boat too much. My postie (postman) is a staunch Conservative voter, his view on Labour voters is that they all own greyhounds, wear clothe caps, drink beer, and swear a lot. My apologies to any Tory voters here who own a dog, wear headgear, drink alcohol, and utter the odd expletive. |
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| Heinrich | Sep 26 2014, 07:25 PM Post #8 |
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Capitalism exists to serve the middle class. Why would they want a revolution? |
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| papasmurf | Sep 26 2014, 07:28 PM Post #9 |
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It isn't serving the middle class very well at the moment, 4 million of them have been added to the ranks of the cash strapped on Cameron's watch. |
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| Marconi | Sep 26 2014, 07:34 PM Post #10 |
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| papasmurf | Sep 26 2014, 07:45 PM Post #11 |
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The sounds like many of the Tory members of the House of Lords. |
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| Rich | Sep 26 2014, 08:28 PM Post #12 |
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Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxlTj8MpnEE |
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| papasmurf | Sep 26 2014, 08:32 PM Post #13 |
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Really. Flat cap, dog, hip flask full of booze, 12 bore, shooting party. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2014, 11:01 PM Post #14 |
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| Stan Still | Sep 27 2014, 07:34 AM Post #15 |
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I see thousands and thousands of them on the underground everyday, dead pheasants and peasants all over the place, what utter ill informed stereotypical crap |
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| RJD | Sep 27 2014, 07:38 AM Post #16 |
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Does it really? Then how do you explain the hundreds of millions of Asians lifted out of agrarian poverty during the last 30 years. Only Capitalism creates reakl wealth, real opportunity of individual progress, Socialism is a destructive force that panders to base emotions. |
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| RJD | Sep 27 2014, 07:39 AM Post #17 |
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Is this a 1920s or 30s parody? Just a tip Mr Smurf "Downton Abbey" is not set in the 21st C. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 27 2014, 08:00 AM Post #18 |
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Not at all, still a common sight on many country estates. ![]() |
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| Stan Still | Sep 27 2014, 08:02 AM Post #19 |
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He lives in the past life |
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| RJD | Sep 27 2014, 08:05 AM Post #20 |
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No "he inhabits a fantasy World of his own design". |
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| papasmurf | Sep 27 2014, 08:09 AM Post #21 |
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It is you who does that RJD. The only visible way to tell the difference between the hoi polloi and the upper class Tories at an estate shoot is the colour of the wellies. Edited by papasmurf, Sep 27 2014, 08:09 AM.
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| Stan Still | Sep 27 2014, 08:09 AM Post #22 |
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That's four people taken when and where?, now tell me who they are?, what they do for a living and how rich they are, are they on their own land? or someone else's? You do realize its in the Mail and right wing propaganda |
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| papasmurf | Sep 27 2014, 08:11 AM Post #23 |
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If you know it was in the Mail you know that as well. |
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| Stan Still | Sep 27 2014, 08:15 AM Post #24 |
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I don't know what you are trying to convince me of but as usual you have failed, and once again you are too lazy to say what you mean in a simple straightforward manner, and never answer any question you always want someone else to do the work but why change the habit of a life time Edited by Stan Still, Sep 27 2014, 08:16 AM.
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| RJD | Sep 27 2014, 08:18 AM Post #25 |
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Is that a small flask of Scotch Whisky? Some of the clobber looks distinctly ex MOD and the hairy chappy on the right has a Labour Party badge in his lapel. I know Mr Smurf you are behind the camera and the photo was taken at your last "red bikers ride best" rally. Or is it "red bikers are bonkers"? |
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| papasmurf | Sep 27 2014, 08:20 AM Post #26 |
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Well if you don't know that a flat cap on rural estates is worn by both the upper class and the workers at your age I really can't help you. Barbour clothing is ubiquitous as well. Until someone speaks other than the welly colour it is hard to tell the difference. |
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| Heinrich | Sep 27 2014, 08:28 AM Post #27 |
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They look very English to me. |
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| Stan Still | Sep 27 2014, 08:30 AM Post #28 |
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I know full well about flat caps I was born in the North worn by many would you believe it to keep their heads warm not a badge of office, and you will see me wearing one when I go to Rugby. And when I go shooting as well for the same reason because they do not blow off easy in high winds and the peak keeps the sun out of ones eyes what, a top hat is not much good on the moor old boy. Your hatred and living in the past and seeing what you want to see has put you way beyond any help at all. I am not rich but I wear green wellies from B&Q what a load of crap you utter |
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| Stan Still | Sep 27 2014, 08:31 AM Post #29 |
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They look like four good friends having a great day out to me sharing a drink and a laugh, what could be better than that. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 27 2014, 08:34 AM Post #30 |
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What hatred? What living in the past? (Seriously, you and others are reading things into my comments that are not there.) For a start it was not me on the old forum who stated country estate workers were forced to take part in the Countryside Alliance pro-fox hunting demos because I knew that was not the case.) |
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| Affa | Sep 27 2014, 01:47 PM Post #31 |
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The next time I see my Postie on the golf course, I'll give him this verdict on the "clothe cap stereotype", and will expect it to put him off his game (which isn't that good anyhow). I'm sure you will agree with me Rich; that such prejudices are misleading and hence are a poor excuse for ignorance. Edited by Affa, Sep 27 2014, 01:48 PM.
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| jeevesnwooster | Sep 27 2014, 02:15 PM Post #32 |
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Do you realize you are probably one of the people included in the article? It's blinkered old buffoons like you who religiously go out and vote Tory that need a good proverbial kick up the jacksie to kick them into touch. Don't worry, soon enough I'm sure you'll run into financial difficulties like so many others in this country, then you'll see where your loyalties really belong |
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| Deleted User | Sep 27 2014, 07:07 PM Post #33 |
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My Conservative philosophy which is consistant does not mean that I am blindly in support of the Coalition Government or the Tory Party; both have numerous faults. That said I would vote for the Devil himself to save the UK from the perils of a Labour Government. If sixty years of age qualifies me as blinkered and old then so be it. If 'buffoonery' is a necessary qualification to achieve family, social and commercial success and to have managed my financial affairs sufficiently competently that even the incompetence of a Labour Government is unlikely to compromise them then so be it, for I am a content and happy man. |
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| Affa | Sep 27 2014, 07:19 PM Post #34 |
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I'm actually wondering how well, or how poorly, you faired after 1997? I get that you are no stranger to austerity (in the country), and will have realised that 'hard times' as promised by such as G Osborne never actually mean everybody is in for a hard time - such difficulties often present opportunities with them (Wonga for instance). "So how was it for you" under Labour? |
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| jeevesnwooster | Sep 27 2014, 09:47 PM Post #35 |
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"That said I would vote for the Devil himself to save the UK from the perils of a Labour Government." That tells us plenty, it tells us how biased you for a start. I wouldn't vote for any of the big parties, I presume you voted Tory in 2010 to do exactly what you just described. Being blinkered isn't related to your age, probably more young people than old voted Tory at the last election because they're just as blinkered as you are. Your so-called 'success' in family, "social" and commercial spheres is completely meaningless and unimpressive, you could be describing a used car salesman who bought a cheap end of terrace house at auction for all we know, anyway you maybe don't understand the more important point: your 'success' in those areas in no way elevates your opinion over anyone else's here. I repeat my earlier post: Do you realize you are probably one of the people included in the article? Soon enough I'm sure you'll run into financial difficulties like so many others in this country, then you'll see where your loyalties really belong (I'd check that your pension hasn't been raided yet by 'the devil' that you'd vote for just to keep Labour out!) |
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| Tigger | Sep 27 2014, 09:55 PM Post #36 |
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Gibberish. The real problem is wages are lagging far behind essentials like housing or energy costs etc, our children will simply be priced out of their own country by the usual parasites. The deficit you seem anally fixated on will mean absolutely nothing if paid off if the cost is the impoverishment of the majority to the benefit of the minority, nothing will have been achieved. |
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| jeevesnwooster | Sep 27 2014, 09:57 PM Post #37 |
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Nail, head. Something so, so many people don't seem to realize |
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| Deleted User | Sep 27 2014, 10:40 PM Post #38 |
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Now you are missing the point. It was not any form of material superiority over others which I was implying and which I certainly don't claim, but something far rarer and precious; contentment, happiness and satisfaction with what one has made of one's life. Your views of me are, to me, completely inconsequential. If I read you correctly you are a young person with little life experience or maturity to draw on and, without wishing to be offensive, your views reflect the arrogance of the idealist without the reality and humility of the pragmatist which tends to come with age. Has it not occurred to you that many on this forum consider you to be blinkered in your views? I, at least, am able to recognise that this government has failed in a number of its stated objectives and indeed in recognising some of the historical achievements of the Labour Party when it actually knew what it represented. You, and your fellow travellers, have rarely if ever demonstrated such objectivity, and yet you call me blinkered. There is an irony here which amuses me. You will, I hope, forgive me if I avoid a long exchange with you, but for reasons already stated I find it rather a waste of my time. |
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| jeevesnwooster | Sep 27 2014, 10:50 PM Post #39 |
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And why do you raise these issues if not to try (you failed by the way) to laud it over others? If it wasn't that, then it was just an irrelevant soundbite to try and sound a bit more sophisticated, which has also failed. I care just as little about your views of me or anyone else on here as you claim to, even though it's you justifying yourself, not I.
Age can bring experience and maturity and it can also bring further indulgence in wilful ignorance and almost unlimited cyncism. Unlike you, I am not ageist and do not dismiss people for being old or young.
As you don't bother reading my posts properly, you can't have much of an opinion on them, which is why you are flat-out wrong here. "fellow travellers" have demonstrated far more objectvity than you have by the way, let me just re-quote you again: "That said I would vote for the Devil himself to save the UK from the perils of a Labour Government." Yes, please do avoid a lengthy exchange with me, in your case it may be "never have so many words meant so little" |
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| Affa | Sep 27 2014, 11:30 PM Post #40 |
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As someone very inclined towards pragmatism, and often willing to amend my value system in order to accept the realistic rather than the idealistic outcome, I have a question for you. 'what is pragmatic about the 'richest 1% owning more than the poorest 55% of the nation's wealth'? A trend, 'money to money', that continues and the wealth gap gets wider and wider. It must occur to some that this trend must be reversed or we end up with half the population on benefits, working or not. Consumerism dies, work disappears. It has to stop! Pragmatism tells me that, or else it becomes like Brazil here. |
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