| Welcome to Uk Debate Mk 2, the UK's liveliest political and social debate site. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| Why aren't the British middle-classes staging a revolution?; "Why aren't the middle-classes more angry about stories such as the Phones4U collapse, and what will it take to tip us over" | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: Sep 26 2014, 02:38 PM (389 Views) | |
| jeevesnwooster | Sep 26 2014, 02:38 PM Post #1 |
|
҈
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11109845/Why-arent-the-British-middle-classes-staging-a-revolution.html I thought this article was fairly unusual for the Torygraph, but interesting to say the least
"We're all in it together" takes on a whole new meaning, of course anything regarding the middle-classes and their sense of self-entitlement ("were officer class, just like you") is usually a bit irritating but the guy's bang on the mark here mostly |
![]() |
|
| Replies: | |
|---|---|
| Deleted User | Sep 28 2014, 12:14 AM Post #41 |
|
Deleted User
|
Affa, sometimes you infuriate me with your deliberate obfuscation and at others with your disingenuity and an air of superiority and at still others I find I can't disagree with what you say. I don't for a moment believe that the present wealth imbalance between the very rich and the poor is desirable, healthy or justified, and neither does being a Tory, as in an honest moment you will agree, mean that one has to support the current economic status quo in its entirety, just as no one had to accept an exact selfsame imbalance during much of the last administrations tenure in office. There will always be those who have more, earn more, create more than others because they have more luck, work ethic, acumen, vision, will to risk take or even privilege than others and I have no problem with the principle and inevitability behind this. But if you were to ask me to justify why the CEO of a FTSE 100 company might be paid £5m a year and a senior consultant in the NHS £150k, a semiliterate footballer £8m a year and a nurse £25k I wouldn't be able to, because like you I don't believe it is justifiable. |
|
|
| Deleted User | Sep 28 2014, 12:27 AM Post #42 |
|
Deleted User
|
This is almost certainly a contrived photograph in that I am fairly sure the chap on the left is a featured character actor. He at least is dressed for a bit of rough shooting whilst the chap on the right looks a bit down on his luck and might be a publican in his tweed sports jacket; certainly not dressed sensibly for any country sport. The two at the back are more correctly dressed for a day of stalking rather than rough or driven game. I suggest it might be a still from a second rate advert promoting perhaps a Korean whisky made from the finest Scottish hops. That it is not what it is portrayed to be is further evidenced by the fact that it was originally posted by Papasmurf. PS Less and less of us wear green wellies, much preferring the alternative of Dubarry and similar waterproofed leather boots. |
|
|
| Stan Still | Sep 28 2014, 08:28 AM Post #43 |
|
Regular Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
You convinced me with your posts down to you nobody else Edited by Stan Still, Sep 28 2014, 08:29 AM.
|
![]() |
|
| papasmurf | Sep 28 2014, 08:55 AM Post #44 |
|
Senior Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
That has been reached and passed. If it were possible to get everyone on out of work benefits into full time (40 hours a week) employment the benefits bill would go up not down because of in work benefits subsidising low pay. |
![]() |
|
| jeevesnwooster | Sep 28 2014, 01:11 PM Post #45 |
|
҈
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
A lot of people are under-employed, not strictly chronically unemployed, moving between benefits, part-time and sometimes full-time temp jobs/ casual labour/0 hrs contracts and bits of cash-in-hand work |
![]() |
|
| Tigger | Sep 28 2014, 05:36 PM Post #46 |
|
Senior Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Nice to see the two at the back wearing the sort of gear I don when I pop out across the fields with the Anschutz .22 under my arm, (minus the two way radios and silly hats) as a word of caution alcohol and firearms do not mix and Land Rovers are shit. |
![]() |
|
| Pro Veritas | Sep 28 2014, 06:10 PM Post #47 |
|
Upstanding Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Seems you know less about Whisky than you do most other things. The bottle in the image is a bottle of Glayva, a liqueur produced in Leith, Scotland by Whyte & Mackay. Nothing to do with koreans. All The Best |
![]() |
|
| Affa | Sep 28 2014, 11:19 PM Post #48 |
|
Senior Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2247535/Game-hunting-A-blast-past-How-game-hunting-thriving-new-breed-master.html Daily Mail December two years ago. |
![]() |
|
| Affa | Sep 28 2014, 11:41 PM Post #49 |
|
Senior Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Let me help you reconcile our differences. First off, I tend towards not feeling compelled to reply to every topic, not even to all posts addressed towards me, unless I have something to say that hasn't been said - I post to add, not to repeat what others have posted. Further to that it is my intention to try to present a different perspective, to view things from a position none have yet ventured - it does help debate I think to have this wider picture. What this means is that sometimes I will give an objective opinion that I personally do not strongly hold. but will do so to aid the debate (not exactly devils advocate). I do not feel superior to others, in fact I am impressed with the quality of posters here, and if anything feel a little out of my depth on some subjects. I am no scholar. I've met many wiser people than I, some I've been in awe of. If I have one thing of which I do consider myself superior to most others in, is in my integrity. I value honesty above cleverness, and try always to be honest ......... by being honest one is less likely to be made to look disingenuous. So I need to know in what way you find me disingenuous? |
![]() |
|
| Rich | Sep 29 2014, 01:40 AM Post #50 |
|
Senior Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
" it is hard to tell the difference." Best get some hard factual evidence then rather than propagandist material. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 29 2014, 12:49 PM Post #51 |
|
Deleted User
|
Now I would have thought that a bright chap like you might have spotted a degree of mockery regarding the drink in the photo; seems not! |
|
|
| jeevesnwooster | Sep 29 2014, 04:24 PM Post #52 |
|
҈
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Meanwhile, the lesser right-wing rags wish to drive society against each other, as usual "Angela Epstein reported on how her family will struggle by losing child benefit in last week's Daily Mail: But many families would dream of earning £100k Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2229461/Were-middle-class-successful--poor-church-mice.html#ixzz3EirDEQD7 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook " Instead of pointing out genuinely poor middle-class people, the right-wing rags as always focus on the well off needing a bit of extra cash to tide them over, how typical. Edited by jeevesnwooster, Sep 29 2014, 04:24 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| « Previous Topic · Politics · Next Topic » |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2




![]](http://z5.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)




7:36 PM Jul 11