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The choice
Topic Started: Sep 28 2014, 07:36 AM (274 Views)
RJD
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Prudence and Thrift
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There is nothing callous or immoral about encouraging self-reliance. The desire to be responsible for yourself, for your own family and, by extension, your own community is the precise opposite of selfishness.


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For a party or a government to expect able-bodied, normally intelligent people to take on such responsibilities is to pay them the respect they are due: to assume that they are fully functioning, conscientious human beings. This is, in fact, how most people wish to see themselves – which is why the Government’s welfare reforms are so hugely popular. An ethical society relies on people rather than government power as the source of virtue.
Janet Daly

Does Joe Public really want to see Big Nanny brought down to size and become more responsible for choices, solutions and the implementation of such for himself, his family and his community? Or is Big Nanny Bossy Statism where Politicians decide what is the right thing to do, how we should behave (note that the always wish to engineer us to fit in with their concepts of normality) for which we pay high rates of income and consumption taxes and borrow to fund? Joe Public needs to decide as this is the devising line for the next Parliament.

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Voters know in their hearts that the UK has yet to really tackle its budgetary woes. The vast majority aren’t stupid – which is why Miliband wanted his deficit words out there, even if he lacked the guts to put them to fellow Labour delegates.
The Tory leadership, in contrast, has a willing party but lacks the courage to act. Is it any wonder the public is losing faith in mainstream politicians?
Liam Halligan

After all the tough talk For all the talk of austerity George Osborne has borrowed more in five years than Brown did in ten, so it is difficult to believe that he has the guts to tackle the most pressing problem of our time. Unfortunately there is no alternate (TINA) as Milliband will be shouted down by his Camp Followers if he dared to mention the word deficit or austerity or cuts, that is the real reason he left it out of his speech as these people only ever vote for more State spending and do not care where the money comes from. For me the only choice is which Party will offer to cut out the residual deficit during the next Parliament and seek to rebalance the economy away from consumption and more production, everything else is incidental.

Test: Anyone recall a Usual on this forum that has ever shown any interest in reducing the deficit? Of ever showing any interest or understanding on how wealth is created?



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papasmurf
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Stan Still
Sep 29 2014, 07:18 AM
And your credibility to judge is zero with me you have convinced me of that not the press !jk!
Try using a newspaper as reference in a dissertation or essay and see how far it gets you.
The ONLY time I have been allowed to do that was during was doing a social science course part of which was applying the Systematic Scepticism test to newspaper articles.
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C-too
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Stan Still
Sep 29 2014, 06:23 AM
papasmurf
Sep 29 2014, 06:09 AM
Stan Still
Sep 29 2014, 06:05 AM
I doubt that you would recognise reality even if it bit you on the arse and introduced itself
If you and others are forming your opinions from what you read in newspapers owned by media barons with agendas you will never know what reality is.
The reality is that the majority of people in the UK can and do think for themselves something you will never understand or accept.
People are obviously influenced by the newspapers they read, why else would the papers be so politically biased? People tend to buy the papers that feed their own political bias making a mockery of the idea that they think for themselves.

I stopped buying newspapers on anything like a regular basis back in the 1980s because they insult one's intelligence. IMO they are immature, irresponsible and damage our democracy.
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Stan Still
Sep 29 2014, 07:22 AM
Lewis
Sep 29 2014, 07:14 AM
Stan Still
Sep 29 2014, 06:02 AM
Lewis
Sep 28 2014, 06:14 PM

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I have no problem with them going after tax evaders at all in fact I encourage it, the problem is even if they can find the money and get it back eventually that does not mean that stops the welfare bill spiralling out of control and unaffordable.

It is estimated that the NHS alone will need an extra 30 billion in 6 years time just to keep functioning, do you think that they can find enough tax payers each year and every year to pay that part of our welfare bill.

A major way to help reduce the welfare bill is the benefit part getting the fit and able back into work as quick as possible not sitting at home festering whilst loosing any work place skills they may have had, or learning new ones to help themselves, there are some who have no work skills at all, never worked.

The stark reality is we have no choice but to reduce public spending we cannot afford to keep on ignoring that major problem t will not go away and eventually it is highly likely the welfare state will collapse no matter how much you tax the workers.

Wrong yet again. The overwhelming majority of the benefits bill is actually paid to those in work. The only way to cut that would be to pay them better.
The more people in work and paying their way is the solution and the money they pay in spent more wisely, even those who work that still need some benefits due to not earning enough help reduce the cost of the welfare bill.

High wages mean inflation goes up, that effects everyone no matter how much or little they earn
Do you consider a "living wage" to be too high?
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Rich
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papasmurf
Sep 29 2014, 05:49 AM
Rich
Sep 29 2014, 02:35 AM


I doubt very much if they have ever heard of you, but as you are too fxxxxxg tight to buy a newspaper of any hue then you must rely on the people of this forum that do so.
It is not case of being tight it is a case of news couple with paper is an Oxymoron. I decided not to buy propaganda over three decades ago.
You will not learn the truth by reading a newspaper, especially when it comes to politics.

A newspaper is nothing more than the editorial view of the owner, I repeat.....VIEW, now just as you have a view as do we all, then by that logic, you too are spouting propaganda, what is inside each and every newspaper are reports put together by journalist from what they see and hear, one does not have to believe it but they are views, if you dismiss all views as propaganda then you will find yourself as the only one in the room listening to your very own propaganda, and I have no doubt that you will disagree with yourself.
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Sep 29 2014, 09:54 AM
what is inside each and every newspaper are reports put together by journalist from what they see and hear,
No quite, they are restricted in what they write, due to the owners wishes. There is no such thing as a free press in Britain.
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papasmurf
Sep 28 2014, 10:17 AM
Steve K
Sep 28 2014, 10:12 AM

I have no issue with that
I do because the people already doing those jobs will get the sack.
Ten minutes walking round this neck of the woods will reveal NO-ONE is currently DOING that.

There MAY be people on some council payroll who SHOULD be , but no fucker IS.
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Rich
Sep 29 2014, 09:54 AM
papasmurf
Sep 29 2014, 05:49 AM
Rich
Sep 29 2014, 02:35 AM


I doubt very much if they have ever heard of you, but as you are too fxxxxxg tight to buy a newspaper of any hue then you must rely on the people of this forum that do so.
It is not case of being tight it is a case of news couple with paper is an Oxymoron. I decided not to buy propaganda over three decades ago.
You will not learn the truth by reading a newspaper, especially when it comes to politics.

A newspaper is nothing more than the editorial view of the owner, I repeat.....VIEW, now just as you have a view as do we all, then by that logic, you too are spouting propaganda, what is inside each and every newspaper are reports put together by journalist from what they see and hear, one does not have to believe it but they are views, if you dismiss all views as propaganda then you will find yourself as the only one in the room listening to your very own propaganda, and I have no doubt that you will disagree with yourself.
You know that I know that I suspect that millions of others know that as well, but we are treated like children by those who think they know better as we are too stupid to make a decision ourselves about anything,

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