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Nick Griffin expelled by BNP
Topic Started: Oct 1 2014, 09:42 PM (328 Views)
Steve K
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29453341

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The man's already ruined financially, this is the final nail in his political career's coffin.

In summary, all right-wing fringe groups have been neutered by the state; EDL, BNP and BF ( although BF was far whackier than any of the others to be fair).
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The BNP was doomed from the moment the BBC allowed them air time. They couldn't play the victim card and a lot didn't like what they then saw, not one little bit. To give Farage credit he then finished the BNP off by picking up the nationalist parts of their policies and refusing to have anything to do with the racist parts.

And it was all so beyond Griffin's limited capabilities to grasp that he was losing the arguments. Bankrupt in morals, then bankrupt in money and now bankrupt in support.

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At least the heyday of openly extremist right-wing groups has gone, that said the "new" BNP were never really a threat. Far more threatening are our parties in power.

I've always said this: New Labour and the Tories are/were more Fascist than the BNP could ever hope to be in action, not rhetoric.

As for UKIP, they are a bit crazy but at least they don't stand a huge chance of gaining power
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Will he be joining UKIP like most former BNP members?
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RJD
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Well the BNP Manifesto was just Old Labour plus a nasty streak of racism. If he drops his dislike for Johnny Foreigner he could vote for Milliband's regurgitation of Old Labour.
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At the time of the leadership challenge after his disastrous imposition of insane clauses into the party constitution, Griffin went on record to say of his opponent, Andrew Brons, that he (Griffin) had expelled him from the National Front mere moments before Andrew had managed to do the same to him.

Not exactly the thing a party that then, on paper, stood to gain seats in the d'Hondt formula driven welsh assembly wanted to hear.
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Oct 2 2014, 07:46 AM
Well the BNP Manifesto was just Old Labour plus a nasty streak of racism. If he drops his dislike for Johnny Foreigner he could vote for Milliband's regurgitation of Old Labour.
Hang on.
Wasn't it someone called ReJinalD who blamed Labour for allowing too many immigrants in? Doesn't sound very BNP to me.
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RJD - is living in some kind of cuckoo land, believing that the BNP were somehow similar in some way to Labour, infact as a Labour supporter I find it offensive.

THe reality can be found in - POST No 5
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krugerman
Oct 2 2014, 08:49 AM
RJD - is living in some kind of cuckoo land, believing that the BNP were somehow similar in some way to Labour, infact as a Labour supporter I find it offensive.

THe reality can be found in - POST No 5
Which shows how much you know.

The reality is that former BNP members are the ONLY people UKIP donlt want as members. Ah, apart from the former BNP member who UKIP put forward as an election candidate, who was photographed rubbing shoulders with Nige as they canvasses together in the town's high street, and about whom Nigel was forced to say "he joined us before we banned formwer BNP members from joining, so that's all right then" ;-)
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krugerman
Oct 2 2014, 08:49 AM
RJD - is living in some kind of cuckoo land, believing that the BNP were somehow similar in some way to Labour, infact as a Labour supporter I find it offensive.

THe reality can be found in - POST No 5
Actually if you read their manifesto there were similarities in the second tier policies and it wasn't as far right as the UKIP 2010 manifesto
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To me, far right always goes hand in hand with hard lined discrimination and bigotry to the extreme, often racial discrimination, and often hatred based on faith or religion.

No one in their right minds could seriously accuse the Labour Party of any of these things, and it is such agenda s that makes organisations like the BNP distasteful, offensive and sinister, which is why I repeat my previous phrase that "as a Labour supporter I find it offensive" to draw any analogy between the two.

The reason why the far-right, or extreme-right is opposed and despised so much, is not because of economic policy, or policies on the NHS, its all to do with the hatred of people who are different, either through colour, race, ethnic background or religion.

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If it were not for the BNP there would not be the more honest debate going on today in regard to immigration and continued EU membership. The BNP opened the debate and it was their growing success in the polls that caused the response that Ukip made and have established. Today much of the rhetoric that the BNP were labelled 'racist' for is now part of this Tory lead government's rhetoric, and Ukip use many of the BNP headline statements that were vilified in the press when first made.

Do the Quize .........
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what


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Oct 2 2014, 11:32 AM
If it were not for the BNP there would not be the more honest debate going on today in regard to immigration and continued EU membership. The BNP opened the debate and it was their growing success in the polls that caused the response that Ukip made and have established. Today much of the rhetoric that the BNP were labelled 'racist' for is now part of this Tory lead government's rhetoric, and Ukip use many of the BNP headline statements that were vilified in the press when first made.

Do the Quize .........
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what


"Your results

7 out of a possible 13

You're pretty clear on who said what
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"honest"

Really?

From my viewpoint, we have more of a warped right-biased debate going on today that's missing key facts that no one seems to want to confront. I do not thank the BNP for that in any way. But the pendulum swings both ways, I am pretty sick of the left-sweep-it-all-under-the-carpet rhetoric at the same time.

That can only mean one thing, people should express their true thoughts and feelings no matter how "vile", so that we can finally begin to have an honest debate about ALL of these topics
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krugerman
Oct 2 2014, 08:49 AM
RJD - is living in some kind of cuckoo land, believing that the BNP were somehow similar in some way to Labour, infact as a Labour supporter I find it offensive.

THe reality can be found in - POST No 5
That you find the truth offensive is hardly RJD's problem.

Go read the BNP manifesto - more Old Labour than anything Labour itself has put out since Michael Foot's time.

Apart from their policies on immigration the BNP were more to the left than any mainstream British political party.

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Affa
Oct 2 2014, 11:32 AM
Good one

I got 7 out of 13 too

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If it were not for the BNP there would not be the more honest debate going on today in regard to immigration and continued EU membership. The BNP opened the debate and it was their growing success in the polls that caused the response that Ukip made and have established. Today much of the rhetoric that the BNP were labelled 'racist' for is now part of this Tory lead government's rhetoric, and Ukip use many of the BNP headline statements that were vilified in the press when first made.

Not so sure. The BNP had an explicitly racist manifesto calling for cancelling citizenship based on ethnicity and which also included the promise to cancel the legislation that had forced them to tone down that manifesto and their own constitution. The Tories, not even Powell, have come close to that.

So yes Krugerman in that they were ultra right wing but that 2nd tier of policies such as with the NHS were very Labouresque.
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krugerman
Oct 2 2014, 11:24 AM
No one in their right minds could seriously accuse the Labour Party of any of these things


Really.

I guess you were a tad deaf when harriet harman did her "employers should give the job to anyone except a white, married, heterosexual middle aged man" speech then ...

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Not so sure. The BNP had an explicitly racist manifesto calling for cancelling citizenship based on ethnicity and which also included the promise to cancel the legislation that had forced them to tone down that manifesto and their own constitution. The Tories, not even Powell, have come close to that.


You are right, plus many of their supporters were violent right-wing thugs who took everything said overly literally

But in practice, the BNP politicians themselves never really gained any power in government nor did they stand a chance of doing that and as ever, the real extremists are those holding power and pulling the strings. Those right-wing thugs mentioned will no doubt drift off to some different cause or will change their ideology, so all in all easy come easy go
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Oct 2 2014, 12:00 PM
The BNP had an explicitly racist manifesto calling for cancelling citizenship based on ethnicity
Are you so sure about that ?

The one I recall said the party would call for a review of grants of citizenship to determine whether the granting of that citizenship was "still appropriate".

It also said that there would be generous grants to those legally resident here who wished to leave and take residence in another country.

I noted with mirth one of the more recent "illegal immigrant and proud of it" documentaries on one of out more tabloid tv channels a month or so back. It seems some pakistani chap who got into this country illegally and cannot be deported because he made sure he destroyed his passport is now being given financial assistance to appy to leave this country and bugger off back home. So it seems that not for the first time the party in power is adopting a BNP policy they derided at the election ...
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We thank the BNP for absolutely nothing - sweet F A

The immigration debate has been roaring away in this coutry from the time of the very first Notting Hill riot in the 1950 s, it was re-ignited by Enoch Powell and it has never realy settled.

The immigration debate then took a strange twist after the 911 terrorist attack, because the argument suddeny changed, it was more about religion than race or ethnic origin, but a similar thing happened in the 1930s with scumbag and traitor Oswald Mosley and his nazi boot boys.

We can have a sane and rational debate about immigration without the vile rhetoric of organisations like the BNP, and without the sensationalist and sweeping statements of trash like The Daily Mail, stick to facts, not assumptions, dont try to tar a whole race, nationality or religion with the same brush - its not very intelligent.
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Krugerman, in all fairness I think it's the extremists on both sides that make a fair and sensible debate immigration so difficult. That and the fact that they label anyone who disagrees with them as "PC facist, traitor etc" or "racist, nazi blah blah".
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Why is anyone bothered about Griffin or the BNP they will never gain enough support to win power, but they at least do not silence others from voicing their political views by violence, unlike ANL SWP and similar who do and are about as popular as the BNP, two reasons to be cheerful. ;D
Edited by Stan Still, Oct 2 2014, 05:09 PM.
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johnofgwent
Oct 2 2014, 12:33 PM
Steve K
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The BNP had an explicitly racist manifesto calling for cancelling citizenship based on ethnicity
Are you so sure about that ?

The one I recall said the party would call for a review of grants of citizenship to determine whether the granting of that citizenship was "still appropriate".

It also said that there would be generous grants to those legally resident here who wished to leave and take residence in another country.

I noted with mirth one of the more recent "illegal immigrant and proud of it" documentaries on one of out more tabloid tv channels a month or so back. It seems some pakistani chap who got into this country illegally and cannot be deported because he made sure he destroyed his passport is now being given financial assistance to appy to leave this country and bugger off back home. So it seems that not for the first time the party in power is adopting a BNP policy they derided at the election ...
BNP 2010 Manifesto:
 
• At current immigration and birth rates, indigenous British people are set to become
a minority well within 50 years. This will result in the extinction of the British people,
culture, heritage and identity.
• The BNP will take all steps necessary to halt and reverse this process. These steps
will include a halt to all further immigration, the deportation of all illegal immigrants,
a halt to the “asylum” swindle and the promotion of the already existing voluntary
repatriation scheme.
• The BNP recognises the right of legally settled and law-abiding minorities to remain in
the UK and enjoy the full protection of the law, on the understanding that the indigenous
population of Britain has the right to remain the majority population of our nation.
. . . .
• The BNP will review all citizenship grants awarded since Labour entered government
in 1997, based on that party’s admission that they orchestrated mass immigration to
forcibly change Britain’s demographics and to gerrymander elections.
• The BNP will repeal the Race Relations Act and all other far leftist social engineering
projects, such as the Equalities and Human Rights Commission aimed at enforcing
multiculturalism.
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To preserve the continued existence of our traditional democracy, we must therefore take the necessary measures to safeguard the existence of the native peoples of these islands and ensure they are the dominant ethnic, cultural and political group.
In this context we refer to the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh along with the limited numbers of peoples of European descent, who have arrived centuries or decades ago and who have fully integrated into our society.
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a BNP government would outlaw all overt signs of Islamic colonisation such as the . . . mosques
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The BNP will repeal all laws designed to suppress our traditional right to freedom of speech, including those relating to race relations and religion.
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There were some good bits in there as well. I guess Griffin was out of the office for an hour and someone edited them in.
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Nick Griffin on the Islamification of Europe ....... to Europe.

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Oct 2 2014, 07:46 AM
Well the BNP Manifesto was just Old Labour plus a nasty streak of racism. If he drops his dislike for Johnny Foreigner he could vote for Milliband's regurgitation of Old Labour.
NURSE!
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Affa
Oct 2 2014, 11:32 AM
If it were not for the BNP there would not be the more honest debate going on today in regard to immigration and continued EU membership. The BNP opened the debate and it was their growing success in the polls that caused the response that Ukip made and have established. Today much of the rhetoric that the BNP were labelled 'racist' for is now part of this Tory lead government's rhetoric, and Ukip use many of the BNP headline statements that were vilified in the press when first made.

Do the Quize .........
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what


Here are my results:

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Your results

10 out of a possible 13

You're pretty clear on who said what

How do you compare?

Congratulations! You beat the average score of 7 for this quiz
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Yaaaaaay - 10 out of 13.
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Tigger
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I clicked the UKIP option on every one and got six out of thirteen! ;D
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I got 8.
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I believe that many were waiting for the BNP to get credibility as many agree with their policies. Now all we have is UKIP. I heard Milliband say it's not prejudiced to talk about immigration, wow that was worth it eh?
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