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Forked tongue?
Topic Started: Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM (3,873 Views)
RJD	Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Post #1
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice.



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 07:30 AM Post #2
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. RJD Iain Duncan Smith lied about Universal Credit being rolled out nationally next year, that is FACT not propaganda. Iain Duncan Smith announced yet another slowdown of the rollout of universal credit to the Conservative conference yesterday, but managed to make it sound like a success by omitting just two vital words from his speech. Whether he actually lied or was just deeply misleading is for the reader to decide. In a speech that verged at times on the messianic, http://press.conservatives.com/post/98728606860/iain-duncan-smith-speech-to-conservative-party but failed to refer at any point to massive waiting times for PIP and ESA medicals, Iain Duncan Smith announced that the roll out of universal credit was to be accelerated. He told conference that: “Universal Credit has now rolled out in the North West of England – to couples, shortly to families, to more than 1 in 8 jobcentres by Christmas – safely and securely as we always said. “But, Conference, today I can announce more. “I can announce that we are going to accelerate the delivery of Universal Credit… “… from the New Year, bringing forward the national roll-out through 2015/16 to every community across Great Britain.” The only problem with this was the two vital words missing from IDS’ speech, but present in the DWP press release – https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plans-announced-for-accelerated-rollout-of-universal-credit-after-success-in-north-west the roll out will only be for ‘single jobseekers’. In other words: not for couples; not for families; not for people in work; not for people too sick and disabled to work. In fact, only for the smallest and simplest group of universal credit claimants for whom no complex software is required at all. This is not a rollout or universal credit at all, it is the rollout of ‘universal credit lite’ to a fraction of the 8 million people who are supposed to be going to be moved onto it. IDS went on to say: “Secure national delivery… yet at the same time, delivering life change at a local level: “strengthening community partnerships, helping vulnerable households… “… getting people into a job quicker and staying in work longer… “… not just helping the economy but reducing child poverty as well. “Bringing up to £35 billion in economic benefits to Britain over the next decade… “… making a lasting difference to people’s lives… “… now and for generations to come. “Friends – Universal Credit is going nationwide – we are going to finish what we started.” In truth, the national rollout will not affect ‘vulnerable households’ because it’s only for single claimants. It also won’t reduce ‘child poverty’ because it’s only for single claimants. And ‘universal credit’ isn’t going nationwide, only a small fraction of it is. So, was this a straightforward lie or just weasel words? We leave you, the reader, to make up your own mind. But here’s one final piece of evidence. In his ministerial statement on 5 December 2013 – which has mysteriously disappeared from the parliament website - http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wms/?id=2013-12-05a.65WS.1 “These steps continue our progressive approach—test, learn, implement—as we deliver this flagship programme. IDS announced the revised timetable for the rollout of universal credit, which was itself a massive slowdown from the original plan. The document is deliberately vague about the timetable, but it does state: “Meanwhile, we will expand our current pathfinder service and develop functionality so that from next summer we progressively start to take claims for universal credit from couples and, in the autumn, from families. Once safely tested in the 10 live universal credit areas, we will also expand the roll-out to cover more of the north-west of England. This will enable us to learn from the live running of universal credit at scale and for more claimant types, including the more vulnerable and complex. “Our current planning assumption is that the universal credit service will be fully available in each part of Great Britain during 2016, having closed down new claims to the legacy benefits it replaced; with the majority of the remaining legacy case load moving to universal credit during 2016 and 2017.” So, the most recent plan was to run full versions of universal credit – including for ‘the more vulnerable and more complex’ claimants - in the north west of England and then expand out across the country. Now, it seems, only the simplest of claims will have been rolled out across the country by April 2016. There is then absolutely no possibility whatsoever of a ‘test, learn, implement’ rollout of the massively more complex full universal credit across the whole country by the end of 2016. So what IDS was announcing sounds very much to us like another setback for the rollout of universal credit. The reality is that there is absolutely no evidence that IDS, Freud and their wealthy friends are ‘going to finish what we started’ in 2017, or indeed at any time in the next decade. Edited by papasmurf, Oct 2 2014, 07:38 AM.



Lewis	Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM Post #3
Senior Member Posts: 3,478 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite!



RJD	Oct 2 2014, 07:40 AM Post #4
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Most people in relationships are now single individuals. Let us wait and see what the Voters say at the next GE, thus far they have backed these reforms and the Opposition has been very careful not to promise a change in direction.



RJD	Oct 2 2014, 07:44 AM Post #5
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Lewis Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite! I suspect that you also do not own a Moral Compass as it cannot be right or moral to design a system of welfare such that it entraps. It is also unacceptable that those that can work are not encouraged to do so, for them a State Pension for Life cannot and should not be an option. Nothing vindictive here only your small narrow minded dogma.



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 07:53 AM Post #6
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:40 AM Let us wait and see what the Voters say at the next GE, thus far they have backed these reforms and the Opposition has been very careful not to promise a change in direction. RJD, that depends if the lies IDS told on national TV get exposed by the media. But I won't be holding my breath on that one.



disgruntled porker	Oct 2 2014, 07:56 AM Post #7
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	Lewis Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite! Yes, it appears that ReJinalD takes great delight in any chance that the thumbscrews can be applied and the bottom end of society can be chastised for their abject inadequacies. To this end, he swallows all the govnt has to say on the subject hook, line, and sinker, without even giving it a second thought.



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 11:07 AM Post #8
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	disgruntled porker Oct 2 2014, 07:56 AM To this end, he swallows all the govnt has to say on the subject hook, line, and sinker, without even giving it a second thought. He also has not bothered to read my quoted material proving IDS is a lying (expletive deleted) when to comes to the disaster that is Universal Credit.



Affa	Oct 2 2014, 11:10 AM Post #9
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Why does IDS intentionally mislead? There is a culture of this sort of rhetoric that cannot be applauded. Oh and RJD should fall on his 'sword', or should I say 'finger'. Having opened a thread to admonish critics of the minister, he still continues to offer excuses after it is shown that these criticisms are validated.



jeevesnwooster	Oct 2 2014, 11:23 AM Post #10
҈ Posts: 791 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: Sep 6, 2014	Iain Duncan Smith has been shown to be a liar, a fraud and everything else you care to mention a million times over now, why do we have to keep playing the game of "oh what's he done again?" Long gone are the days when these guys were merely a sideshow, now they are in power and they are very destructive



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 11:29 AM Post #11
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	jeevesnwooster Oct 2 2014, 11:23 AM Iain Duncan Smith has been shown to be a liar, a fraud and everything else you care to mention a million times over now, why do we have to keep playing the game of "oh what's he done again?" Because the mainstream media ignore it, so most of the population is unaware of it.



Alberich	Oct 2 2014, 01:04 PM Post #12
Alberich Posts: 1,695 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	IDS is merely doing what Blair would have done through Frank Fields, had he the courage. He didn't. Field was was disowned,and the difficult decisions were left to the conservatives; as usual. The rest is history. But if you think that a Labour government (or any government, come to that) will reverse the reforms already made to the welfare state, you will be sadly disappointed.



C-too	Oct 2 2014, 01:20 PM Post #13
Honourable Member Posts: 17,686 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Jul 12, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. "work always a first choice". That sounds fair enough but what does it mean in practise for the unemployed?



somersetli	Oct 2 2014, 01:29 PM Post #14
somersetli Posts: 626 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Why should anybody be surprised about lies told by politicians its par for the course. Lying is endemic among politicians, its natural to them like breathing in and out. Why anybody should think that one set of politicians will tell more lies than another set is beyond me. Anybody who does think that needs to get their heads out of their backsides!



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 01:33 PM Post #15
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Alberich Oct 2 2014, 01:04 PM IDS is merely doing what Blair would have done through Frank Fields, had he the courage. It would be difficult to find ANY British politician as incompetent and who has lied as much as Iain Duncan Smith has. He is has (expletive deleted ,) up every welfare reform he has tried to implement.



ACH1967	Oct 2 2014, 01:47 PM Post #16
Senior Member Posts: 4,226 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: Jul 24, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:44 AM Lewis Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite! I suspect that you also do not own a Moral Compass as it cannot be right or moral to design a system of welfare such that it entraps. It is also unacceptable that those that can work are not encouraged to do so, for them a State Pension for Life cannot and should not be an option. Nothing vindictive here only your small narrow minded dogma. Who are these people it is entrapping and how many of them are their please?



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 01:55 PM Post #17
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	ACH1967 Oct 2 2014, 01:47 PM Who are these people it is entrapping and how many of them are their please? No-one is being entrapped, that is a Tory sound bite because they don't like the fact no matter how harsh they make the medicals for IB and the ESA when all appeals and tribunals have been processed there are still 2.44 million people on IB/ESA, because they are entitled to it.



RJD	Oct 2 2014, 04:03 PM Post #18
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	disgruntled porker Oct 2 2014, 07:56 AM Lewis Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite! Yes, it appears that ReJinalD takes great delight in any chance that the thumbscrews can be applied and the bottom end of society can be chastised for their abject inadequacies. To this end, he swallows all the govnt has to say on the subject hook, line, and sinker, without even giving it a second thought. You have evidence to back up your claims? Thought not, the usual drivel. Mr Pig restrain your imagination and try and stick with facts if you are able.



RJD	Oct 2 2014, 04:04 PM Post #19
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Oct 2 2014, 11:07 AM disgruntled porker Oct 2 2014, 07:56 AM To this end, he swallows all the govnt has to say on the subject hook, line, and sinker, without even giving it a second thought. He also has not bothered to read my quoted material proving IDS is a lying (expletive deleted) when to comes to the disaster that is Universal Credit. You know I do not read your links as they rarely do what you say is on the tin. I know that you do not bother to read them.



RJD	Oct 2 2014, 04:05 PM Post #20
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Oct 2 2014, 01:33 PM Alberich Oct 2 2014, 01:04 PM IDS is merely doing what Blair would have done through Frank Fields, had he the courage. It would be difficult to find ANY British politician as incompetent and who has lied as much as Iain Duncan Smith has. He is has (expletive deleted ,) up every welfare reform he has tried to implement. Of course you are an expert in such matters and have also managed a p155 up at5 a brewery.



RJD	Oct 2 2014, 04:07 PM Post #21
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Oct 2 2014, 01:55 PM ACH1967 Oct 2 2014, 01:47 PM Who are these people it is entrapping and how many of them are their please? No-one is being entrapped, that is a Tory sound bite because they don't like the fact no matter how harsh they make the medicals for IB and the ESA when all appeals and tribunals have been processed there are still 2.44 million people on IB/ESA, because they are entitled to it. Not true. You know quite well that some people who were stuck on welfare the marginal tax rate was effectively ~80% if they found employment and as a consequence lost benefits. It appears that you keep yourself in ignorance on purpose.



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 04:10 PM Post #22
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 04:03 PM You have evidence to back up your claims? Thought not, the usual drivel. Mr Pig restrain your imagination and try and stick with facts if you are able. I note RJD you have not commented on my contribution which provided precise evidence from the DWP that proves IDS told the country and his own party a huge porker about Universal Credit at the recent Conservative conference. Personally I am not letting it go and ignoring it,(Like the media has.) I am making a formal complaint about it. IDS should make a formal apology in the House of Commons, and a similar apology to the Conservative Party and the general public via the media.



jeevesnwooster	Oct 2 2014, 04:20 PM Post #23
҈ Posts: 791 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: Sep 6, 2014	IDS's favourite phrase: Arbeit Macht Frei



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 04:42 PM Post #24
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	jeevesnwooster Oct 2 2014, 04:20 PM IDS's favourite phrase: Arbeit Macht Frei



Stan Still	Oct 2 2014, 04:58 PM Post #25
Regular Member Posts: 1,705 Group: Members Member #23 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	Lewis Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quote: Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments. Well considered the claims made in the lefty Press, bloggers and here one would think he has not a snowball in Hell's chance of achieving that objective. We will see if he meets his milestone, but he is correct in one claim and that is no future Gov. is going to unpick this system and as a consequence he will be able to claim he inflicted the reform welcomed by the vast majority, the next step for a new Gov. must be to make further inroads against those barriers to making work always a first choice. Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite! According to White Dee she had £212 left over every week from her benefits, she also stated that none of her friends who were in full time work could say the same I have no idea if she was speaking with a forked tongue or not, she also thought that IDS was doing a good job and was doing what needed doing her opinion take it with her if you don't like it.



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 05:16 PM Post #26
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 04:58 PM I have no idea if she was speaking with a forked tongue or not, she also thought that IDS was doing a good job and was doing what needed doing her opinion take it with her if you don't like it. She is mentally ill and should not be used as she was to appear at that Tory Party fringe debate.



Affa	Oct 2 2014, 06:23 PM Post #27
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 04:58 PM According to White Dee she had £212 left over every week from her benefits, she also stated that none of her friends who were in full time work could say the same I have no idea if she was speaking with a forked tongue or not, she also thought that IDS was doing a good job and was doing what needed doing her opinion take it with her if you don't like it. The correct quote is 'I probably get a weekly income of about £200. I know people that work there a**s off who haven't got half of that a week to live on. It is what p*** people off but it's not my fault unless I become an MP.'



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 06:29 PM Post #28
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Affa Oct 2 2014, 06:23 PM The correct quote is 'I probably get a weekly income of about £200. I know people that work there a**s off who haven't got half of that a week to live on. It is what p*** people off but it's not my fault unless I become an MP.' That sounds more like it, ESA plus LHA and some child benefit. (Ranger can probably confirm that.) In any she has not been on benefit since May.



jeevesnwooster	Oct 2 2014, 06:48 PM Post #29
҈ Posts: 791 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: Sep 6, 2014	Affa Oct 2 2014, 06:23 PM Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 04:58 PM According to White Dee she had £212 left over every week from her benefits, she also stated that none of her friends who were in full time work could say the same I have no idea if she was speaking with a forked tongue or not, she also thought that IDS was doing a good job and was doing what needed doing her opinion take it with her if you don't like it. The correct quote is 'I probably get a weekly income of about £200. I know people that work there a**s off who haven't got half of that a week to live on. It is what p*** people off but it's not my fault unless I become an MP.' LOL! Classic mis-quoting and spin from the right-wing brigade



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 06:55 PM Post #30
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	jeevesnwooster Oct 2 2014, 06:48 PM Classic mis-quoting and spin from the right-wing brigade The largesse that the propaganda machine insists that benefits are just cannot be supported by the facts:- https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/302150/dwp035-apr-14.pdf http://www.voa.gov.uk/corporate/RentOfficers/LHARates/april2014lha.html



Stan Still	Oct 2 2014, 07:03 PM Post #31
Regular Member Posts: 1,705 Group: Members Member #23 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	papasmurf Oct 2 2014, 05:16 PM Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 04:58 PM I have no idea if she was speaking with a forked tongue or not, she also thought that IDS was doing a good job and was doing what needed doing her opinion take it with her if you don't like it. She is mentally ill and should not be used as she was to appear at that Tory Party fringe debate. As I said take it up with her then, suggest you take your medical qualifications with you



Stan Still	Oct 2 2014, 07:10 PM Post #32
Regular Member Posts: 1,705 Group: Members Member #23 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	jeevesnwooster Oct 2 2014, 06:48 PM Affa Oct 2 2014, 06:23 PM Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 04:58 PM According to White Dee she had £212 left over every week from her benefits, she also stated that none of her friends who were in full time work could say the same I have no idea if she was speaking with a forked tongue or not, she also thought that IDS was doing a good job and was doing what needed doing her opinion take it with her if you don't like it. The correct quote is 'I probably get a weekly income of about £200. I know people that work there a**s off who haven't got half of that a week to live on. It is what p*** people off but it's not my fault unless I become an MP.' LOL! Classic mis-quoting and spin from the right-wing brigade Perhaps you would care to enlighten me then where that came from as I have either not searched correctly on the quote you posted or its not on line.



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 07:12 PM Post #33
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 07:03 PM As I said take it up with her then, suggest you take your medical qualifications with you Her mental illness is a DWP decision makers assessment, nothing to do with an opinion of mine.



jeevesnwooster	Oct 2 2014, 07:15 PM Post #34
҈ Posts: 791 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: Sep 6, 2014	You must be proud of yourself then Stan: https://www.facebook.com/ElmParkConservatives/posts/704563119594723 Quote: 'I get £200 a week in handouts and people get half as much working': White Dee blames government for claims culture as she accuses Channel 4 of manipulating Benefits Street residents .... She said: 'I am a single parent, I get child benefit, I get child tax credit and I get ESA (Employment and Support Allowance). I'm not raking in thousands. 'I probably get a weekly income of about £200. I know people that work there a**s off who haven't got half of that a week to live on. It is what p*** people off but it's not my fault unless I become an MP.'



Stan Still	Oct 2 2014, 07:16 PM Post #35
Regular Member Posts: 1,705 Group: Members Member #23 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	papasmurf Oct 2 2014, 07:12 PM Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 07:03 PM As I said take it up with her then, suggest you take your medical qualifications with you Her mental illness is a DWP decision makers assessment, nothing to do with an opinion of mine. You just voiced your opinion that she is mentally ill, any chance that you know exactly what form of mental illness she suffers from, and if so who told you



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 07:20 PM Post #36
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 07:16 PM You just voiced your opinion that she is mentally ill, any chance that you know exactly what form of mental illness she suffers from, and if so who told you It isn't an opinion of mine it was a DWP decision makers decision.



jeevesnwooster	Oct 2 2014, 07:21 PM Post #37
҈ Posts: 791 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: Sep 6, 2014	papasmurf Oct 2 2014, 06:55 PM The largesse that the propaganda machine insists that benefits are just cannot be supported by the facts:- https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/302150/dwp035-apr-14.pdf http://www.voa.gov.uk/corporate/RentOfficers/LHARates/april2014lha.html Expecting people to be grateful for being treated to £14 for a full day of slavery, or less if they're younger or nothing if their benefits are suspended, expecting them to still do a whole day's work. Words fail me when it comes to this and the last government, they're modern Victorians



disgruntled porker	Oct 2 2014, 07:22 PM Post #38
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	RJD Oct 2 2014, 04:03 PM disgruntled porker Oct 2 2014, 07:56 AM Lewis Oct 2 2014, 07:37 AM RJD Oct 2 2014, 07:14 AM Quoting limited to 4 levels deep Making the poorest in society poorer is not an achievement. Quite the opposite, a sign of a sick minded and pathetic government that deserves to get ousted. Time we had some decent people in power not some out of touch and vindictive elite! Yes, it appears that ReJinalD takes great delight in any chance that the thumbscrews can be applied and the bottom end of society can be chastised for their abject inadequacies. To this end, he swallows all the govnt has to say on the subject hook, line, and sinker, without even giving it a second thought. You have evidence to back up your claims? Thought not, the usual drivel. Mr Pig restrain your imagination and try and stick with facts if you are able. Reggie, Reggie, Reggie. What proof do you need other than your own assertions in writing on this very forum (and the old one) which strongly advocate faster deeper cuts and the slashing of benefits to make the idle underclasses get off their arses and out to work?



Stan Still	Oct 2 2014, 07:23 PM Post #39
Regular Member Posts: 1,705 Group: Members Member #23 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	jeevesnwooster Oct 2 2014, 07:15 PM You must be proud of yourself then Stan: https://www.facebook.com/ElmParkConservatives/posts/704563119594723 Quote: 'I get £200 a week in handouts and people get half as much working': White Dee blames government for claims culture as she accuses Channel 4 of manipulating Benefits Street residents .... She said: 'I am a single parent, I get child benefit, I get child tax credit and I get ESA (Employment and Support Allowance). I'm not raking in thousands. 'I probably get a weekly income of about £200. I know people that work there a**s off who haven't got half of that a week to live on. It is what p*** people off but it's not my fault unless I become an MP.' I am for my achievements in life you arrogant arse , as for face book I do not access it far to many weird vane full of themselves use it in my opinion, but her quote did not come up on line no idea why it was in the media the other day I read it



papasmurf	Oct 2 2014, 07:25 PM Post #40
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Stan Still Oct 2 2014, 07:23 PM no idea why it was in the media the other day I read it Either misread it, or as usual the gutter press got it wrong.



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