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Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments.

RJD

Oct 16 2014, 11:31 AM

I do not know how you could even be motivated to declare that you had such a high IQ. Why would any sensible person do such a thing?

papasmurf

Oct 16 2014, 12:00 PM

RJD

Oct 16 2014, 11:31 AM

I do not know how you could even be motivated to declare that you had such a high IQ. Why would any sensible person do such a thing?

What motivated me was comments by you about high earners and CEOs all having high IQs which is nonsense THAT is why I mentioned my IQ of 142 because I don't accept IQ as a measure of anything useful.

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comments by you about high earners and CEOs all having high IQs

Affa

Oct 16 2014, 12:33 PM

papasmurf

Oct 16 2014, 12:00 PM

RJD

Oct 16 2014, 11:31 AM

I do not know how you could even be motivated to declare that you had such a high IQ. Why would any sensible person do such a thing?

What motivated me was comments by you about high earners and CEOs all having high IQs which is nonsense THAT is why I mentioned my IQ of 142 because I don't accept IQ as a measure of anything useful.

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comments by you about high earners and CEOs all having high IQs

Did he actually say that?
The mistake here is in interpreting such a statement as implying that all those with an high IQ are High Earners.

This does does not in any way excuse the bad behaviour that persistently makes reference to to the mention of IQ in regard of PS. Any mention of which is ignored by me .... all I see then is the pettiness of it and an offensive character.

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 12:25 PM

Yes I do agree with you that someone who continually boasts about their intelligence quotient

papasmurf

Oct 16 2014, 12:00 PM

RJD

Oct 16 2014, 11:31 AM

I do not know how you could even be motivated to declare that you had such a high IQ. Why would any sensible person do such a thing?

What motivated me was comments by you about high earners and CEOs all having high IQs which is nonsense THAT is why I mentioned my IQ of 142 because I don't accept IQ as a measure of anything useful.

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:30 PM

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 12:25 PM

Yes I do agree with you that someone who continually boasts about their intelligence quotient

But I don't boast about it, it is others here who assume a high IQ means something, I don't and never have. I know far too many high IQ people with a lot of educational qualifications who aren't capable of finding their own backside in the dark, if they could they would not be unemployed.

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense.

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:30 PM

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 12:25 PM

Yes I do agree with you that someone who continually boasts about their intelligence quotient

But I don't boast about it, it is others here who assume a high IQ means something, I don't and never have. I know far too many high IQ people with a lot of educational qualifications who aren't capable of finding their own backside in the dark, if they could they would not be unemployed.

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense. I haven't read a post by PS where he appears to brag about his IQ.

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:49 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense.

I don't post nonsense and I do not deserve the constant torrent of abuse and harassment that are supposed to be against the rules of this forum.
Where the moderation has gone I don't know given the forum host could shut the forum down because of it.

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:30 PM

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 12:25 PM

Yes I do agree with you that someone who continually boasts about their intelligence quotient

But I don't boast about it, it is others here who assume a high IQ means something, I don't and never have. I know far too many high IQ people with a lot of educational qualifications who aren't capable of finding their own backside in the dark, if they could they would not be unemployed.

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense. I haven't read a post by PS where he appears to brag about his IQ.

Affa

Oct 17 2014, 05:32 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:30 PM

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 12:25 PM

Yes I do agree with you that someone who continually boasts about their intelligence quotient

But I don't boast about it, it is others here who assume a high IQ means something, I don't and never have. I know far too many high IQ people with a lot of educational qualifications who aren't capable of finding their own backside in the dark, if they could they would not be unemployed.

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense. I haven't read a post by PS where he appears to brag about his IQ.

Again, I give kudos because it has been my experience too that it has been those wanting to ridicule that have made repeated references.
Major Sinic even states that PS keeps repeating it when I have never seen him do so once until this thread.
He is not being honest - a much less tolerable trait than being a braggart, and we do have quite a few of those, don't we RJD.

RJD

Oct 17 2014, 12:56 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:30 PM

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 12:25 PM

Yes I do agree with you that someone who continually boasts about their intelligence quotient

But I don't boast about it, it is others here who assume a high IQ means something, I don't and never have. I know far too many high IQ people with a lot of educational qualifications who aren't capable of finding their own backside in the dark, if they could they would not be unemployed.

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense. I haven't read a post by PS where he appears to brag about his IQ.

Brag maybe not. But he did open himself up for ridicule by claiming a near genius IQ without the decency to provide corroboration. I think he now regrets this.

Major Sinic

Oct 17 2014, 06:18 PM

I apologise with regard to this particular matter.

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:49 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense.

I don't post nonsense and I do not deserve the constant torrent of abuse and harassment that are supposed to be against the rules of this forum.
Where the moderation has gone I don't know given the forum host could shut the forum down because of it.

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:49 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense.

I don't post nonsense and I do not deserve the constant torrent of abuse and harassment that are supposed to be against the rules of this forum.
Where the moderation has gone I don't know given the forum host could shut the forum down because of it.

Steve K

Oct 17 2014, 11:15 PM

Well PS you have been unprovoked abusive to me and others,

Tigger

Oct 17 2014, 06:26 PM

RJD

Oct 17 2014, 12:56 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:30 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense. I haven't read a post by PS where he appears to brag about his IQ.

Brag maybe not. But he did open himself up for ridicule by claiming a near genius IQ without the decency to provide corroboration. I think he now regrets this.

Yeah, a lot of people on here do that.

RJD

Oct 18 2014, 07:22 AM

Me thinks that Mr Smurth both complain far too much and ought to toughen up.

papasmurf

Oct 18 2014, 07:04 AM

Steve K

Oct 17 2014, 11:15 PM

Well PS you have been unprovoked abusive to me and others,

I most certainly have not, I only respond when people abuse, harass, and attack me. I also do not post false stories.

papasmurf

Oct 18 2014, 07:25 AM

RJD

Oct 18 2014, 07:22 AM

Me thinks that Mr Smurth both complain far too much and ought to toughen up.

RJD, unlike you I don't have blinkers on when to comes to emergent properties of the "welfare reforms." I suspect when the DWP is forced to publish the datasets it has been trying desperately to hide from public gaze even you will be shocked.

Steve K

Oct 17 2014, 11:15 PM

papasmurf

Oct 17 2014, 12:49 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

In the interests of fairness, people keep teasing PS about it when he posts nonsense.

I don't post nonsense and I do not deserve the constant torrent of abuse and harassment that are supposed to be against the rules of this forum.
Where the moderation has gone I don't know given the forum host could shut the forum down because of it.

Well PS you have been unprovoked abusive to me and others, you have deliberately set out to destroy threads that weren't going your way, you have posted obviously false stories and you have posted illegal material exalting murder of politicians you don't like.

Tomorrow is another day. How about you setting the example you want others to follow.

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 10:35 AM

We will have to agree to differ then, next time you do I will highlight it. I note you were very selective in your denial.

RJD

Oct 18 2014, 12:32 PM

It really was very silly to claim himself as having a near genius IQ indicate such.

papasmurf

Oct 18 2014, 01:05 PM

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 10:35 AM

We will have to agree to differ then, next time you do I will highlight it. I note you were very selective in your denial.

Given you never read my references RJD you won't be able to do that.

Affa

Oct 18 2014, 02:01 PM

Somebody put a stop to this.

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 02:16 PM

Affa

Oct 18 2014, 02:01 PM

Somebody put a stop to this.

What would you suggest? Should we desist in challenging points we know to be false? Doesn't sound like much of a debate site.

I would suggest that posters who knowingly post false data or false references are penalised. And as for those that post extolling the idea of murdering someone . . .

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 02:16 PM

What would you suggest? Should we desist in challenging points we know to be false?

papasmurf

Oct 18 2014, 02:47 PM

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 02:16 PM

What would you suggest? Should we desist in challenging points we know to be false?

I am NOT complaining about being challenged. I am complaining about the constant personal insults, harassment, stalking and being ganged up on.
Which I was assured before I joined this forum would not happen because of the strict moderation necessary or the host would close the forum.

RJD

Oct 18 2014, 07:22 AM

Tigger

Oct 17 2014, 06:26 PM

RJD

Oct 17 2014, 12:56 PM

ACH1967

Oct 17 2014, 12:45 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Brag maybe not. But he did open himself up for ridicule by claiming a near genius IQ without the decency to provide corroboration. I think he now regrets this.

Yeah, a lot of people on here do that.

The only other exaggeration I recall is your repeated claim that you are a Builder Businessman. I know know you have been saying this with your tongue firmly pressed into your cheek and in reality you are a self employed Hanger of supposed Plumbers who stick ugly foreign products on roofs in a region of England where the sun does not shine.
Me thinks that Mr Smurth both complain far too much and ought to toughen up.

Marconi

Oct 18 2014, 08:26 PM

I got to say that I like to come on this site to watch debating more than taking part, and it's good stuff, but when it turns to personal insults I get turned off and go and watch a movie or something.

papasmurf

Oct 18 2014, 01:05 PM

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 10:35 AM

We will have to agree to differ then, next time you do I will highlight it. I note you were very selective in your denial.

Given you never read my references RJD you won't be able to do that.

Tigger

Oct 18 2014, 08:11 PM

RJD

Oct 18 2014, 07:22 AM

Tigger

Oct 17 2014, 06:26 PM

RJD

Oct 17 2014, 12:56 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Yeah, a lot of people on here do that.

The only other exaggeration I recall is your repeated claim that you are a Builder Businessman. I know know you have been saying this with your tongue firmly pressed into your cheek and in reality you are a self employed Hanger of supposed Plumbers who stick ugly foreign products on roofs in a region of England where the sun does not shine.
Me thinks that Mr Smurth both complain far too much and ought to toughen up.

Need a gas man?

Affa

Oct 18 2014, 02:38 PM

Steve K

Oct 18 2014, 02:16 PM

Affa

Oct 18 2014, 02:01 PM

Somebody put a stop to this.

What would you suggest? Should we desist in challenging points we know to be false? Doesn't sound like much of a debate site.

I would suggest that posters who knowingly post false data or false references are penalised. And as for those that post extolling the idea of murdering someone . . .

My comment is this continual reference (being made by RJD this time - 12:32 PM) about PS that is not deserved, is puerile, and is against the forum rules.

RJD

Oct 14 2014, 11:51 AM

Tytoalba

Oct 14 2014, 11:35 AM

papasmurf

Oct 13 2014, 12:09 PM

RJD

Oct 13 2014, 11:21 AM

Firstly show the basis by which such welfare reforms are immoral?

Tories don't have any morals RJD so I don't understand the question.

Im a Tory party member Papa. raised a Christian with Christian values, and I think my morals are equal to your own, though my level of emotional involvement will never be the same as yours.
To accuse people who are Tories of immorality is to take a very narrow view on life itself, and taking into acount the numbers who support them or are members of the party makes the suggestion that they lack morality, irrational.
I just happen to think that individual good has to take second place to the common good, for without the one you cannot have the other.
That does not mean that considertion , care and asistance should not be given to all those in need of it, but we know from experience that the level given will never meet the needs or expectations of all.

I do not understand why you think morality can be weighed in such a way, surely it warrants some absoluteness? My claim is that the welfare reforms have a basis in morality, that the cost implications here are not paramount and as such it matters not whether this view is mouthed by a card carrying Trott or a Tory. Mr Smurf has a obligation on a debating forum to rise to the challenge and present his arguments to show that such reforms are immoral as he claims. Unfortunately he prefers to alley himself with the emotional ignoramuses, avoid the debate and seek to sully the reputations of those that do not follow his dogma. Not an unusual but none the less nasty trick we see far too often from those that wish to avoid reasoned debate.

Lewis

Oct 19 2014, 07:09 AM

RJD

Oct 14 2014, 11:51 AM

Tytoalba

Oct 14 2014, 11:35 AM

papasmurf

Oct 13 2014, 12:09 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Im a Tory party member Papa. raised a Christian with Christian values, and I think my morals are equal to your own, though my level of emotional involvement will never be the same as yours.
To accuse people who are Tories of immorality is to take a very narrow view on life itself, and taking into acount the numbers who support them or are members of the party makes the suggestion that they lack morality, irrational.
I just happen to think that individual good has to take second place to the common good, for without the one you cannot have the other.
That does not mean that considertion , care and asistance should not be given to all those in need of it, but we know from experience that the level given will never meet the needs or expectations of all.

I do not understand why you think morality can be weighed in such a way, surely it warrants some absoluteness? My claim is that the welfare reforms have a basis in morality, that the cost implications here are not paramount and as such it matters not whether this view is mouthed by a card carrying Trott or a Tory. Mr Smurf has a obligation on a debating forum to rise to the challenge and present his arguments to show that such reforms are immoral as he claims. Unfortunately he prefers to alley himself with the emotional ignoramuses, avoid the debate and seek to sully the reputations of those that do not follow his dogma. Not an unusual but none the less nasty trick we see far too often from those that wish to avoid reasoned debate.

Reasoned debate in your diatribes? I see no evidence of that. A great pity you put into practice little of what you preach.

RJD

Oct 19 2014, 06:57 AM

Tigger

Oct 18 2014, 08:11 PM

RJD

Oct 18 2014, 07:22 AM

Tigger

Oct 17 2014, 06:26 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

The only other exaggeration I recall is your repeated claim that you are a Builder Businessman. I know know you have been saying this with your tongue firmly pressed into your cheek and in reality you are a self employed Hanger of supposed Plumbers who stick ugly foreign products on roofs in a region of England where the sun does not shine.
Me thinks that Mr Smurth both complain far too much and ought to toughen up.

Need a gas man?

No we have plenty of Cowboy Plumbers here in rural Wales.

Tigger

Oct 19 2014, 04:38 PM

Not surprised with all the law breaking DIY pensioners out there!