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Iain Duncan Smith’s disclosure that the teething problems have been resolved and that the Universal Credits system will be rolled out across the country ahead of the election was momentous. Many critics, not just on the Left, cheerfully predicted that Mr Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms would fail. They are now irreversible, and as a result Mr Cameron’s Coalition will be able to claim a place among Britain’s great reforming governments.

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 11:43 AM

Lived there Mr Pig.

papasmurf

Oct 26 2014, 12:07 PM

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 11:43 AM

Lived there Mr Pig.

But not recently.

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 11:43 AM

disgruntled porker

Oct 26 2014, 08:57 AM

I thought you were the world's leading authority on all matters Swiss ReJinalD? Didn't realise it extended to Germany too.

Lived there Mr Pig. Learned to speak their lingo. Drank their beer, ate their sausages and kissed their girls. Spent more time in Germany on business in the last 30 years of my working life than the UK and I doubt there is a city or large town I have not visited. I even visited the DDR in the good old days via Berlin. I have a piece of the Wall somewhere, in a little box, sent to me by my friend who went to see it broken down. As for Switzerland, well Zurich has a very German orientated culture. Pity they do to High German what the yanks do to English. By the way I ran a business in Solingen, Munchen and near Koln for over 20 years. Bankrupted the one in Munchen by design and sold the others off to the Japanese prior to retiring to my garden. Now I am just an expert in spotting the tosh spouted here by those who think a day trip to a German Kristkindelmarkt on the Rhine passes for detailed inside knowledge and of course when best to sharpen my pruners.

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 12:10 PM

Germany has a lot of it's own social difficulties and is not the paradise painted up here.

disgruntled porker

Oct 27 2014, 09:20 PM

Cue new telly program.
"It's no joke living in Stuttgart".

Stan Still

Oct 27 2014, 09:28 PM

disgruntled porker

Oct 27 2014, 09:20 PM

Cue new telly program.
"It's no joke living in Stuttgart".

Frankfurter Street

papasmurf

Oct 26 2014, 02:01 PM

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 12:10 PM

Germany has a lot of it's own social difficulties and is not the paradise painted up here.

Neither is Switzerland.

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 11:43 AM

disgruntled porker

Oct 26 2014, 08:57 AM

I thought you were the world's leading authority on all matters Swiss ReJinalD? Didn't realise it extended to Germany too.

Lived there Mr Pig. Learned to speak their lingo. Drank their beer, ate their sausages and kissed their girls. Spent more time in Germany on business in the last 30 years of my working life than the UK and I doubt there is a city or large town I have not visited. I even visited the DDR in the good old days via Berlin. I have a piece of the Wall somewhere, in a little box, sent to me by my friend who went to see it broken down. As for Switzerland, well Zurich has a very German orientated culture. Pity they do to High German what the yanks do to English. By the way I ran a business in Solingen, Munchen and near Koln for over 20 years. Bankrupted the one in Munchen by design and sold the others off to the Japanese prior to retiring to my garden. Now I am just an expert in spotting the tosh spouted here by those who think a day trip to a German Kristkindelmarkt on the Rhine passes for detailed inside knowledge and of course when best to sharpen my pruners.

disgruntled porker

Oct 28 2014, 09:00 PM

Vee vill nicht menschen zee velfare system.

RJD

Oct 29 2014, 11:39 AM

Are you ashamed to recognise that welfare benefits in Switzerland are among the most generous in the World.

papasmurf

Oct 29 2014, 12:02 PM

RJD

Oct 29 2014, 11:39 AM

Are you ashamed to recognise that welfare benefits in Switzerland are among the most generous in the World.

They need to be given the very high cost of living.

RJD

Oct 29 2014, 11:39 AM

disgruntled porker

Oct 28 2014, 09:00 PM

Vee vill nicht menschen zee velfare system.

Why not? Are you ashamed to recognise that welfare benefits in Switzerland are among the most generous in the World. Is that why you hide behind some childish mock accent?

disgruntled porker

Oct 29 2014, 04:19 PM

RJD

Oct 29 2014, 11:39 AM

disgruntled porker

Oct 28 2014, 09:00 PM

Vee vill nicht menschen zee velfare system.

Why not? Are you ashamed to recognise that welfare benefits in Switzerland are among the most generous in the World. Is that why you hide behind some childish mock accent?

FFS, lighten up. It was you who said not to mention it. I added my childish mock accent in homage to a famous phrase from a well loved comedy series. Obviously such trivialities play no part in your world of cold hard facts.

RJD

Oct 28 2014, 12:34 PM

papasmurf

Oct 26 2014, 02:01 PM

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 12:10 PM

Germany has a lot of it's own social difficulties and is not the paradise painted up here.

Neither is Switzerland.

Bloody well is. Best system of education, among the best Health Care on the Planet, highest material standard of living due to a high GDP per capita, largest amount of funds in Pension Pots, high levels of employment, a more inclusive democracy and not too bad at football. Then of course their is the Rosti with bacon and eggs. Not to mention a very generous welfare system.

Stan Still

Oct 26 2014, 01:35 PM

Yep

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people or have we just been nudged into thinking that so it is easier for the Government to make the lot of the poorer considerably worse. I suspect the latter because I beleive that the major increases in the welfare budget are down to:

1 Housing Benefit (profiteering by renters or supply and demand issues - either way somehting that could and should be addressed and his far less harmful than making people poorer)

2 Tax Credits (profiteering by employers or inevitable affect of globalisation). This can be addressed if it is the former but is really tricky if it is the latter.

I have been following this general issue for quite some time now. I started out from roughly where you are but having read and dug around I find that the figures don't support that position. Basically I was misinformed and being conned.

RJD

Oct 28 2014, 12:34 PM

papasmurf

Oct 26 2014, 02:01 PM

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 12:10 PM

Germany has a lot of it's own social difficulties and is not the paradise painted up here.

Neither is Switzerland.

Bloody well is. Best system of education, among the best Health Care on the Planet, highest material standard of living due to a high GDP per capita, largest amount of funds in Pension Pots, high levels of employment, a more inclusive democracy and not too bad at football. Then of course their is the Rosti with bacon and eggs. Not to mention a very generous welfare system.

RJD

Oct 28 2014, 12:34 PM

papasmurf

Oct 26 2014, 02:01 PM

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 12:10 PM

Germany has a lot of it's own social difficulties and is not the paradise painted up here.

Neither is Switzerland.

Bloody well is. Best system of education, among the best Health Care on the Planet, highest material standard of living due to a high GDP per capita, largest amount of funds in Pension Pots, high levels of employment, a more inclusive democracy and not too bad at football. Then of course their is the Rosti with bacon and eggs. Not to mention a very generous welfare system.

Major Sinic

Oct 31 2014, 03:48 PM

RJD

Oct 28 2014, 12:34 PM

papasmurf

Oct 26 2014, 02:01 PM

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 12:10 PM

Germany has a lot of it's own social difficulties and is not the paradise painted up here.

Neither is Switzerland.

Bloody well is. Best system of education, among the best Health Care on the Planet, highest material standard of living due to a high GDP per capita, largest amount of funds in Pension Pots, high levels of employment, a more inclusive democracy and not too bad at football. Then of course their is the Rosti with bacon and eggs. Not to mention a very generous welfare system.

You are so right in your summary. I have a modest home in Vaud where I spend much of the winter and I have to say the normal standard of living is not only immensely high but in UK terms immensely expensive. The welfare system is generous because the proportion of the population who rely on it is relatively low, and there is a sense among the Swiss that it is there as a last resort rather than a first response. Although it does vary a great deal from canton to canton Switzerland's tax take is just under 11% of GDP compared with the UK's at something around 27% and France at almost 23% and yet they provide superior public services to ourselves and France. A generalisation I know but their work ethic, individual commitment to education and skills training ensure a high degree of productivity and per capita GDP. Virtually every service I receive is delivered with greater efficiency and commitment to quality than in the UK.

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

Affa

Oct 31 2014, 08:14 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

I do agree with what you say, including the rest not reposted here, but would like people to give this quoted sentence a lot more thought.

Whilst it cannot be denied that there are some (in society) that do choose a life on benefits as an option and will manipulate/abuse the system, the size of the problem is (imo) more in respect of those that are trapped by the system and have no escape - the millions out of work because there are not the paying jobs any family man would jump to have.
Furthermore (imo) this situation cannot be corrected by the Private sector (alone). There are numerous jobs to be done, from street cleaning to handing out professional advice to people in need, from builders to gardeners for the elderly - and these are not available because there is not enough profit from them.

The State (nanny as RJD will no doubt declare) can provide much more in the way of services if it got away from this minimalist obsession ...... and instead of asking already struggling tax payers to fund this surge, make those not struggling to increase their wealth/incomes to contribute more of it to the State they lives off.
Nothing in what I say is an assault on anyone's well-being or standard of living ... far from it. It is a way to combat poverty, social unrest, and criminality. To improve society so that everyone has a better standard.

Affa

Oct 31 2014, 08:14 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

I do agree with what you say, including the rest not reposted here, but would like people to give this quoted sentence a lot more thought.

Whilst it cannot be denied that there are some (in society) that do choose a life on benefits as an option and will manipulate/abuse the system, the size of the problem is (imo) more in respect of those that are trapped by the system and have no escape - the millions out of work because there are not the paying jobs any family man would jump to have.
Furthermore (imo) this situation cannot be corrected by the Private sector (alone). There are numerous jobs to be done, from street cleaning to handing out professional advice to people in need, from builders to gardeners for the elderly - and these are not available because there is not enough profit from them.

The State (nanny as RJD will no doubt declare) can provide much more in the way of services if it got away from this minimalist obsession ...... and instead of asking already struggling tax payers to fund this surge, make those not struggling to increase their wealth/incomes to contribute more of it to the State they lives off.
Nothing in what I say is an assault on anyone's well-being or standard of living ... far from it. It is a way to combat poverty, social unrest, and criminality. To improve society so that everyone has a better standard.

disgruntled porker

Nov 1 2014, 09:16 AM

Affa

Oct 31 2014, 08:14 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

I do agree with what you say, including the rest not reposted here, but would like people to give this quoted sentence a lot more thought.

Whilst it cannot be denied that there are some (in society) that do choose a life on benefits as an option and will manipulate/abuse the system, the size of the problem is (imo) more in respect of those that are trapped by the system and have no escape - the millions out of work because there are not the paying jobs any family man would jump to have.
Furthermore (imo) this situation cannot be corrected by the Private sector (alone). There are numerous jobs to be done, from street cleaning to handing out professional advice to people in need, from builders to gardeners for the elderly - and these are not available because there is not enough profit from them.

The State (nanny as RJD will no doubt declare) can provide much more in the way of services if it got away from this minimalist obsession ...... and instead of asking already struggling tax payers to fund this surge, make those not struggling to increase their wealth/incomes to contribute more of it to the State they lives off.
Nothing in what I say is an assault on anyone's well-being or standard of living ... far from it. It is a way to combat poverty, social unrest, and criminality. To improve society so that everyone has a better standard.

If I were a rich man and had more money than I could reasonably spend in several lifetimes, your suggestions would chill me to the marrow. Part with some of my excess money which I don't really need, or would miss, just to make the lot of the populace in general a little bit better? The very thought of it! Much better sitting in a bank.

jeevesnwooster

Oct 6 2014, 12:31 PM

Oh my god, did anyone see Nick Clegg on TV this morning? A good thrashing is what I'd describe it as.

THe man is the only human invertebrae known to be walking!

"If the Tories were to freeze working age benefits at the GE, would you enter in a new co. with them?"

"*long pause* *insincere look* It's the principle that matters, not one policy or another.."

Save it Clegg, save it for the same spineless, calculating right-wing scumbags who supported you and the coalition in 2010 when many opeople spat at you and shoved rubbish through your letterbox

johnofgwent

Nov 4 2014, 07:03 PM

jeevesnwooster

Oct 6 2014, 12:31 PM

Oh my god, did anyone see Nick Clegg on TV this morning? A good thrashing is what I'd describe it as.

THe man is the only human invertebrae known to be walking!

"If the Tories were to freeze working age benefits at the GE, would you enter in a new co. with them?"

"*long pause* *insincere look* It's the principle that matters, not one policy or another.."

Save it Clegg, save it for the same spineless, calculating right-wing scumbags who supported you and the coalition in 2010 when many opeople spat at you and shoved rubbish through your letterbox

"Save it Clegg, save it for the same spineless, calculating right-wing scumbags who supported you and the coalition in 2010 when many opeople spat at you and shoved rubbish through your letterbox"

Er .. Wot ?

I think you 'll find the "people who supported him" in 2010 were not terribly happy at what he did, and have taken every opportunity since to desert him and his candidates in droves.

RJD

Oct 26 2014, 07:37 AM

Tigger

Oct 23 2014, 07:37 PM

Steve K

Oct 23 2014, 07:13 PM

Tigger

Oct 23 2014, 06:59 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

you've never been in the export business then, or manufacturing using material sourced abroad

You don't specifically need the services of a hedge fund for any of those activities.

The Germans would happily ban the operations of hedge funds within their jurisdiction because of their track record and low esteem in which they are held, and take it from me Germans know a thing or two about making things and exporting stuff.........

You have just demonstrated ignorance of the activities of German Banks. I think you will find if you dare look that DB lost it's shirt gambling pre 2008. For someone who declares himself to be a businessman with a deep understanding of Germany you appear to be very ignorant of the basics. As a myth maker on European Banking prudence why not explain away how around 20 per cent of these have just failed the ECB stress test?

RJD

Nov 1 2014, 06:33 AM

Affa

Oct 31 2014, 08:14 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

I do agree with what you say, including the rest not reposted here, but would like people to give this quoted sentence a lot more thought.

Whilst it cannot be denied that there are some (in society) that do choose a life on benefits as an option and will manipulate/abuse the system, the size of the problem is (imo) more in respect of those that are trapped by the system and have no escape - the millions out of work because there are not the paying jobs any family man would jump to have.
Furthermore (imo) this situation cannot be corrected by the Private sector (alone). There are numerous jobs to be done, from street cleaning to handing out professional advice to people in need, from builders to gardeners for the elderly - and these are not available because there is not enough profit from them.

The State (nanny as RJD will no doubt declare) can provide much more in the way of services if it got away from this minimalist obsession ...... and instead of asking already struggling tax payers to fund this surge, make those not struggling to increase their wealth/incomes to contribute more of it to the State they lives off.
Nothing in what I say is an assault on anyone's well-being or standard of living ... far from it. It is a way to combat poverty, social unrest, and criminality. To improve society so that everyone has a better standard.

Problem is that we have tried this and the State is not a good supplier of anything, it is fat, lazy and flatulence and as a consequence many are driven to avoid seeing, what they believe, is their hard earned wasted. Yes the State can do a lot more with the resources it already has, including the NHS, so best bully them into doing such.

Major Sinic

Nov 4 2014, 05:25 PM

Paul will always be in support of any welfare strategy which robs Peter to pay Paul, however unjust it may be on Peter. Should Peter have the temerity to object then Paul and all his friends will froth at the mouth in moral outrage at the excessive greed and outrageous injustice of Peter actually suggesting he should have a say in the matter. Afterall as all the Pauls in our society know, the Peters of this world are there for the sole purpose of supporting them.

Affa

Nov 4 2014, 10:19 PM

Major Sinic

Nov 4 2014, 05:25 PM

Paul will always be in support of any welfare strategy which robs Peter to pay Paul, however unjust it may be on Peter. Should Peter have the temerity to object then Paul and all his friends will froth at the mouth in moral outrage at the excessive greed and outrageous injustice of Peter actually suggesting he should have a say in the matter. Afterall as all the Pauls in our society know, the Peters of this world are there for the sole purpose of supporting them.

But if Peter wasn't busy ripping Paul off, paying him below subsistence wages, Paul wouldn't need look to Peter to give more support.

It really is about a more effective distribution of wealth. One that actually improves the lot of everyone, including those at the top.

Question - which country has the widest wealth gap. the UK, or Brazil?
i know the answer, and that will help you guess correctly ........ it wasn't always so, and is getting worse.

Tigger

Nov 4 2014, 10:10 PM

RJD

Nov 1 2014, 06:33 AM

Affa

Oct 31 2014, 08:14 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

I do agree with what you say, including the rest not reposted here, but would like people to give this quoted sentence a lot more thought.

Whilst it cannot be denied that there are some (in society) that do choose a life on benefits as an option and will manipulate/abuse the system, the size of the problem is (imo) more in respect of those that are trapped by the system and have no escape - the millions out of work because there are not the paying jobs any family man would jump to have.
Furthermore (imo) this situation cannot be corrected by the Private sector (alone). There are numerous jobs to be done, from street cleaning to handing out professional advice to people in need, from builders to gardeners for the elderly - and these are not available because there is not enough profit from them.

The State (nanny as RJD will no doubt declare) can provide much more in the way of services if it got away from this minimalist obsession ...... and instead of asking already struggling tax payers to fund this surge, make those not struggling to increase their wealth/incomes to contribute more of it to the State they lives off.
Nothing in what I say is an assault on anyone's well-being or standard of living ... far from it. It is a way to combat poverty, social unrest, and criminality. To improve society so that everyone has a better standard.

Problem is that we have tried this and the State is not a good supplier of anything, it is fat, lazy and flatulence and as a consequence many are driven to avoid seeing, what they believe, is their hard earned wasted. Yes the State can do a lot more with the resources it already has, including the NHS, so best bully them into doing such.

What about the armed forces are they totally inept?

How about the government getting involved in the development of jet engines, supersonic aircraft, radar development and nuclear energy,all projects that require a little bit more commitment that the average here today gone tomorrow shareholder could put up with.

RJD

Oct 31 2014, 03:05 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people or have we just been nudged into thinking that so it is easier for the Government to make the lot of the poorer considerably worse. I suspect the latter because I beleive that the major increases in the welfare budget are down to:

1 Housing Benefit (profiteering by renters or supply and demand issues - either way somehting that could and should be addressed and his far less harmful than making people poorer)

2 Tax Credits (profiteering by employers or inevitable affect of globalisation). This can be addressed if it is the former but is really tricky if it is the latter.

I have been following this general issue for quite some time now. I started out from roughly where you are but having read and dug around I find that the figures don't support that position. Basically I was misinformed and being conned.

You are free to put up your analysis with supporting information for scrutiny. That said I believe that your assumption that there is some conspiracy to grind the Poor into the dust is pure balderdash, why should anyone do that when there is no juice in that lemon. The truth is that the legions of excessive labour of the unskilled variety is a massive on going problem for which there appears no obvious political solution. Why we should increase their ranks by dumbing down State education and/or importing more from elsewhere defies logic.

Affa

Oct 31 2014, 08:14 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people

I do agree with what you say, including the rest not reposted here, but would like people to give this quoted sentence a lot more thought.

Whilst it cannot be denied that there are some (in society) that do choose a life on benefits as an option and will manipulate/abuse the system, the size of the problem is (imo) more in respect of those that are trapped by the system and have no escape - the millions out of work because there are not the paying jobs any family man would jump to have.
Furthermore (imo) this situation cannot be corrected by the Private sector (alone). There are numerous jobs to be done, from street cleaning to handing out professional advice to people in need, from builders to gardeners for the elderly - and these are not available because there is not enough profit from them.

The State (nanny as RJD will no doubt declare) can provide much more in the way of services if it got away from this minimalist obsession ...... and instead of asking already struggling tax payers to fund this surge, make those not struggling to increase their wealth/incomes to contribute more of it to the State they lives off.
Nothing in what I say is an assault on anyone's well-being or standard of living ... far from it. It is a way to combat poverty, social unrest, and criminality. To improve society so that everyone has a better standard.

RJD

Oct 31 2014, 03:05 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people or have we just been nudged into thinking that so it is easier for the Government to make the lot of the poorer considerably worse. I suspect the latter because I beleive that the major increases in the welfare budget are down to:

1 Housing Benefit (profiteering by renters or supply and demand issues - either way somehting that could and should be addressed and his far less harmful than making people poorer)

2 Tax Credits (profiteering by employers or inevitable affect of globalisation). This can be addressed if it is the former but is really tricky if it is the latter.

I have been following this general issue for quite some time now. I started out from roughly where you are but having read and dug around I find that the figures don't support that position. Basically I was misinformed and being conned.

You are free to put up your analysis with supporting information for scrutiny. That said I believe that your assumption that there is some conspiracy to grind the Poor into the dust is pure balderdash, why should anyone do that when there is no juice in that lemon. The truth is that the legions of excessive labour of the unskilled variety is a massive on going problem for which there appears no obvious political solution. Why we should increase their ranks by dumbing down State education and/or importing more from elsewhere defies logic.

Tytoalba

Nov 5 2014, 11:03 AM

RJD

Oct 31 2014, 03:05 PM

ACH1967

Oct 31 2014, 11:28 AM

Fair point but is the idea that people are "casting their problems on society" really a significant number of people or have we just been nudged into thinking that so it is easier for the Government to make the lot of the poorer considerably worse. I suspect the latter because I beleive that the major increases in the welfare budget are down to:

1 Housing Benefit (profiteering by renters or supply and demand issues - either way somehting that could and should be addressed and his far less harmful than making people poorer)

2 Tax Credits (profiteering by employers or inevitable affect of globalisation). This can be addressed if it is the former but is really tricky if it is the latter.

I have been following this general issue for quite some time now. I started out from roughly where you are but having read and dug around I find that the figures don't support that position. Basically I was misinformed and being conned.

You are free to put up your analysis with supporting information for scrutiny. That said I believe that your assumption that there is some conspiracy to grind the Poor into the dust is pure balderdash, why should anyone do that when there is no juice in that lemon. The truth is that the legions of excessive labour of the unskilled variety is a massive on going problem for which there appears no obvious political solution. Why we should increase their ranks by dumbing down State education and/or importing more from elsewhere defies logic.

One of the problems the country faces is how to fund everything that has been built into the social service system by governments, that we can no longer continue to fund at the present levels.

I look at free TV licences, heating allowance and free travel for the elderly, many of whom do not need it but would squeal if it were removed ,or based entirly on need,.. It applies across the board to all levels of the community, who have had their expectations raised too high and the assistance given at too high a level for the need, depriving the more pressing cases of the need they truly require,and expect the generosity to continue for ever, and in ever increasing amounts.
There is no doubt that cuts can be made, and have been made, to save taxpayers money for other things without causeng real hardship to anyone.

We all need to budget according to our means , and that includes the government, but we know from these boards that every practical step meets with oppositin and claims of hard heartedness, even ones of cruelty when it is nothing of the kind. There may be one or two cases which are the exception not the norm to emphasise the claims, but if they were as general as claimed then we would have non stop reporting of them, and we dont..

Tigger

Nov 4 2014, 10:42 PM

Affa

Nov 4 2014, 10:19 PM

Major Sinic

Nov 4 2014, 05:25 PM

Paul will always be in support of any welfare strategy which robs Peter to pay Paul, however unjust it may be on Peter. Should Peter have the temerity to object then Paul and all his friends will froth at the mouth in moral outrage at the excessive greed and outrageous injustice of Peter actually suggesting he should have a say in the matter. Afterall as all the Pauls in our society know, the Peters of this world are there for the sole purpose of supporting them.

But if Peter wasn't busy ripping Paul off, paying him below subsistence wages, Paul wouldn't need look to Peter to give more support.

It really is about a more effective distribution of wealth. One that actually improves the lot of everyone, including those at the top.

Question - which country has the widest wealth gap. the UK, or Brazil?
i know the answer, and that will help you guess correctly ........ it wasn't always so, and is getting worse.

And here is another little snippet, UK listed firms issued the highest number of profit warnings this summer, 69 in total, and the highest since the crash of 08, looking through the list you can see several businesses that have held down wages and embraced statistical tricks like zero hours, what is happening is that poorer workers who of course are also consumers are spending less of their diminished wages with these companies, but are they bright or honest enough to join the dots here or do we get the usual downward spiral?