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Revolt On The Left
Topic Started: Oct 3 2014, 08:38 PM (424 Views)
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I saw in this morning's paper an article referring to the Fabian Society's "Revolt On The Left": http://www.fabians.org.uk/revolt-on-the-left-labours-ukip-problem-and-how-it-can-be-overcome/


It highlights 10 seats that UKIP stand a chance of winning, 5 are Labour.

It highlights a further 13 seats where a swing to UKIP could see Labour ousted and the Tories come to power.

It highlights 4 seats where a swing to UKIP would prevent Labour from stealing a seat from the Tories.

On the flip side - using the same methodology it highlights that there are only 6 seats that Labour could pick up from the Tories if the UKIP effect splits the Tory vote.

Marcus Roberts concludes that "UKIP poses a clear and present danger to Labour's 2015 hopes..."

The report identifies 5 groups that are showing consideration for UKIP that would pull support from Labour - Struggling Families, Blue-Collar Strivers, Aging Council Estate Households, Deprived & Disaffected Voter, Transient Young".

Which seems to mean that Labour can take a hit in almost all areas of support by people moving their votes to UKIP.

Do any of the die-hard Labour supporters still think that UKIP only poses a threat to the Tories?

All The Best
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"die-hard Labour supporters"

I am unaware of anyone fitting that bill apart from Ctoo on the entire forum

UKIP have a pretty worrying manifesto, I trust them just as little as any other party, the fact that those who would have voted for Labour in the old days would vote for them now, shows how utterly warped the populace are in our country now. Partly due to years of Thatcherism, right-wing ideology and brainwashing..

Then again, Old Labour were equally as warped (and so were the times they existed in). I for one would have seen right through them too.
Edited by jeevesnwooster, Oct 3 2014, 08:49 PM.
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Oct 3 2014, 08:38 PM
I saw in this morning's paper an article referring to the Fabian Society's "Revolt On The Left": http://www.fabians.org.uk/revolt-on-the-left-labours-ukip-problem-and-how-it-can-be-overcome/


It highlights 10 seats that UKIP stand a chance of winning, 5 are Labour.

It highlights a further 13 seats where a swing to UKIP could see Labour ousted and the Tories come to power.

It highlights 4 seats where a swing to UKIP would prevent Labour from stealing a seat from the Tories.

On the flip side - using the same methodology it highlights that there are only 6 seats that Labour could pick up from the Tories if the UKIP effect splits the Tory vote.

Marcus Roberts concludes that "UKIP poses a clear and present danger to Labour's 2015 hopes..."

The report identifies 5 groups that are showing consideration for UKIP that would pull support from Labour - Struggling Families, Blue-Collar Strivers, Aging Council Estate Households, Deprived & Disaffected Voter, Transient Young".

Which seems to mean that Labour can take a hit in almost all areas of support by people moving their votes to UKIP.

Do any of the die-hard Labour supporters still think that UKIP only poses a threat to the Tories?

All The Best
http://www.ukip.org/poll_results_in_full?utm_campaign=october_1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ukip
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Oct 3 2014, 10:28 PM
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Oct 3 2014, 08:38 PM
I saw in this morning's paper an article referring to the Fabian Society's "Revolt On The Left": http://www.fabians.org.uk/revolt-on-the-left-labours-ukip-problem-and-how-it-can-be-overcome/


It highlights 10 seats that UKIP stand a chance of winning, 5 are Labour.

It highlights a further 13 seats where a swing to UKIP could see Labour ousted and the Tories come to power.

It highlights 4 seats where a swing to UKIP would prevent Labour from stealing a seat from the Tories.

On the flip side - using the same methodology it highlights that there are only 6 seats that Labour could pick up from the Tories if the UKIP effect splits the Tory vote.

Marcus Roberts concludes that "UKIP poses a clear and present danger to Labour's 2015 hopes..."

The report identifies 5 groups that are showing consideration for UKIP that would pull support from Labour - Struggling Families, Blue-Collar Strivers, Aging Council Estate Households, Deprived & Disaffected Voter, Transient Young".

Which seems to mean that Labour can take a hit in almost all areas of support by people moving their votes to UKIP.

Do any of the die-hard Labour supporters still think that UKIP only poses a threat to the Tories?

All The Best
http://www.ukip.org/poll_results_in_full?utm_campaign=october_1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ukip
Well that poll update by UKIP clearly shows that the Tory incompetents have more to fear than Labour.
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Oct 3 2014, 08:48 PM
"die-hard Labour supporters"

I am unaware of anyone fitting that bill apart from Ctoo on the entire forum

UKIP have a pretty worrying manifesto, I trust them just as little as any other party, the fact that those who would have voted for Labour in the old days would vote for them now, shows how utterly warped the populace are in our country now. Partly due to years of Thatcherism, right-wing ideology and brainwashing..

Then again, Old Labour were equally as warped (and so were the times they existed in). I for one would have seen right through them too.
what exactly is it that you find worrying in the UKIP manifesto.
I don't know what their 2015 manifesto will be, but I have seen the 2014 one and I cannot see anything particularly worrying in that.
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Oct 3 2014, 08:48 PM
"die-hard Labour supporters"

I am unaware of anyone fitting that bill apart from Ctoo on the entire forum

UKIP have a pretty worrying manifesto, I trust them just as little as any other party, the fact that those who would have voted for Labour in the old days would vote for them now, shows how utterly warped the populace are in our country now. Partly due to years of Thatcherism, right-wing ideology and brainwashing..

Then again, Old Labour were equally as warped (and so were the times they existed in). I for one would have seen right through them too.
Just because I point out the lies and insinuation aimed at ---- NEW LABOUR ---- does not mean I am a "die hard Labour supporter" so your opinion is wrong again. The reality is I was New Labour before they introduced the title.

I could probably be described as being die hard anti right-wing politics.
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Oct 3 2014, 10:28 PM
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Oct 3 2014, 08:38 PM
I saw in this morning's paper an article referring to the Fabian Society's "Revolt On The Left": http://www.fabians.org.uk/revolt-on-the-left-labours-ukip-problem-and-how-it-can-be-overcome/


It highlights 10 seats that UKIP stand a chance of winning, 5 are Labour.

It highlights a further 13 seats where a swing to UKIP could see Labour ousted and the Tories come to power.

It highlights 4 seats where a swing to UKIP would prevent Labour from stealing a seat from the Tories.

On the flip side - using the same methodology it highlights that there are only 6 seats that Labour could pick up from the Tories if the UKIP effect splits the Tory vote.

Marcus Roberts concludes that "UKIP poses a clear and present danger to Labour's 2015 hopes..."

The report identifies 5 groups that are showing consideration for UKIP that would pull support from Labour - Struggling Families, Blue-Collar Strivers, Aging Council Estate Households, Deprived & Disaffected Voter, Transient Young".

Which seems to mean that Labour can take a hit in almost all areas of support by people moving their votes to UKIP.

Do any of the die-hard Labour supporters still think that UKIP only poses a threat to the Tories?

All The Best
http://www.ukip.org/poll_results_in_full?utm_campaign=october_1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ukip
Shows how easilly led some people are when the going gets rough. Adolf showed the way and Farage's attack on Van Rompuy exposed an ownership of a dark and nasty streak Farage hides from the public. IMO that nasty streak would be the foundation of his thinking, as opposed to his words, if he ever got into power.
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I suspect it goes deeper than the manifesto's; I think it may indicate a deeper distrust of the "Westminster Club" itself. Many people believe that the three main parties have become complacent, arrogant and corrupt, and are serving themselves rather than their constitutuents.

Consider the expenses scandal, or MP's voting for their own pay rise. Or even the fact that they went to Court in order to strike down a legal challange that they have an obligation to follow their own election manifesto's. How cycnical is THAT ?

Ultimately, though, it comes down to the European Onion. Nobody believes Labour or the Conservatives promise to hold a refferendum. They promised it before, and they broke the promise. It is possible that they are going to suffer at the next GE for doing that.
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A blogging site such as this one is always a good place to speculate or give opinions, and after reading the Fabian Societys link, I come to the conclusion that they are thinking too hard, and trying to look too deeply into possibilities based upon some eveidence, but also on a lot of guess work.

Let s look at the forthcoming By-election in Heywood & Middleton, a seat which has always been Labour.

At the last general election, the result was as follows : LAB 18,499 - CON 12,528 - LD 10,474 - UKIP - 1,215

Now look at a recent opinion poll conducted by Ashcroft ( Lord Sleaze of Belize )

CON 13%(-14), LAB 50%(+10), LDEM 4%(-19), UKIP 31%(+28)

I know its only an opinion poll, but Ashcroft s polls have a track record of been at least as accurate as the best pollers such as YouGov, and in this particular constituency, it seems that all of UKIP s increase in their share of the vote is at the expense of the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.



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Oct 3 2014, 08:38 PM
I saw in this morning's paper an article referring to the Fabian Society's "Revolt On The Left": http://www.fabians.org.uk/revolt-on-the-left-labours-ukip-problem-and-how-it-can-be-overcome/


It highlights 10 seats that UKIP stand a chance of winning, 5 are Labour.

It highlights a further 13 seats where a swing to UKIP could see Labour ousted and the Tories come to power.

It highlights 4 seats where a swing to UKIP would prevent Labour from stealing a seat from the Tories.

On the flip side - using the same methodology it highlights that there are only 6 seats that Labour could pick up from the Tories if the UKIP effect splits the Tory vote.

Marcus Roberts concludes that "UKIP poses a clear and present danger to Labour's 2015 hopes..."

The report identifies 5 groups that are showing consideration for UKIP that would pull support from Labour - Struggling Families, Blue-Collar Strivers, Aging Council Estate Households, Deprived & Disaffected Voter, Transient Young".

Which seems to mean that Labour can take a hit in almost all areas of support by people moving their votes to UKIP.

Do any of the die-hard Labour supporters still think that UKIP only poses a threat to the Tories?

All The Best
The Fabians do have a cause that is left-wing. They are unlikely to be objective observers.

Whether or not they are playing at politics will only be resolved after elections have taken place.
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The Left are Revolting :'( they always have been Caruthers !jk!
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The Left are Revolting :'( they always have been Caruthers !jk!
So are you right whingers, judging by your posts.
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Oct 4 2014, 11:01 AM
The Left are Revolting :'( they always have been Caruthers !jk!


I had a moment of revulsion earlier today.

It was when the PM said "are there no depths of depravity these people will not sink to"?
That he managed to say these words without choking astonished me!

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I missed that. Was he referring to BBC on-air personalities?
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Oct 4 2014, 12:31 PM


It was when the PM said "are there no depths of depravity these people will not sink to"?


I thought he was on about MPs. No political party seems to be pervert free.
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The Left are Revolting :'( they always have been Caruthers !jk!
So are you right whingers, judging by your posts.
I am a very happy person but you are correct in comparison to you I am right wing which I am very happy with !jk!
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The article reinforces the point I have made earlier...that if the conservatives and UKIP can come to some mutually beneficial arrangement in key constituencies, they can still save the nation from five years of Labour rule. And that would be to the advantage of us all.
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The Left are Revolting :'( they always have been Caruthers !jk!
I thought there would be many Tory/righ-wing supporters having a relaxing time after enjoying a wetty following Cameron's pledge to reduce taxation.
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I agree Alberich sad to say some in here would appear to welcome the UK to fail just to get in the driving seat of power, Turkeys voting for two Christmases a year.
Edited by Stan Still, Oct 4 2014, 01:42 PM.
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I agree Alberich sad to say some in here would appear to welcome the UK to fail just to get in the driving seat of power, Turkeys voting for two Christmases a year.
A 20th century of economic failure dominated by Tories, yet some people never learn.
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Oct 4 2014, 08:55 AM
I suspect it goes deeper than the manifesto's; I think it may indicate a deeper distrust of the "Westminster Club" itself. Many people believe that the three main parties have become complacent, arrogant and corrupt, and are serving themselves rather than their constitutuents.


It's not a belief, it's a fact.

RoofGardener
Oct 4 2014, 08:55 AM

Consider the expenses scandal, or MP's voting for their own pay rise. Or even the fact that they went to Court in order to strike down a legal challange that they have an obligation to follow their own election manifesto's. How cycnical is THAT ?


Just goes to show you how much contempt our three main dictators/parties have for democracy doesn't it.

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Oct 4 2014, 08:55 AM

Ultimately, though, it comes down to the European Onion. Nobody believes Labour or the Conservatives promise to hold a refferendum. They promised it before, and they broke the promise. It is possible that they are going to suffer at the next GE for doing that.


Possible, but I sincerely doubt it's just that single issue that's slowly killing them, UKIP is a party of failure, and the failure is that of the three main parties to address issues which are increasingly becoming disruptive to our country, mass immigration, EU rules, ETC.

The only thing that's becoming ever more and more evident from UK politics today is that MPs and Westminster itself are so massively out of touch with the British voting public, that for all intents and purposes, they might as well be a totally different country and I think people are 'finally' starting to wake up to that, not that I necessarily think the alternatives are better, but if it shakes the complacent arrogance of the three main parties then UKIP winning a few seats may actually be a very good thing.
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Oct 4 2014, 02:04 PM
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Oct 4 2014, 08:55 AM
I suspect it goes deeper than the manifesto's; I think it may indicate a deeper distrust of the "Westminster Club" itself. Many people believe that the three main parties have become complacent, arrogant and corrupt, and are serving themselves rather than their constitutuents.


It's not a belief, it's a fact.

RoofGardener
Oct 4 2014, 08:55 AM

Consider the expenses scandal, or MP's voting for their own pay rise. Or even the fact that they went to Court in order to strike down a legal challange that they have an obligation to follow their own election manifesto's. How cycnical is THAT ?


Just goes to show you how much contempt our three main dictators/parties have for democracy doesn't it.

RoofGardener
Oct 4 2014, 08:55 AM

Ultimately, though, it comes down to the European Onion. Nobody believes Labour or the Conservatives promise to hold a refferendum. They promised it before, and they broke the promise. It is possible that they are going to suffer at the next GE for doing that.


Possible, but I sincerely doubt it's just that single issue that's slowly killing them, UKIP is a party of failure, and the failure is that of the three main parties to address issues which are increasingly becoming disruptive to our country, mass immigration, EU rules, ETC.

The only thing that's becoming ever more and more evident from UK politics today is that MPs and Westminster itself are so massively out of touch with the British voting public, that for all intents and purposes, they might as well be a totally different country and I think people are 'finally' starting to wake up to that, not that I necessarily think the alternatives are better, but if it shakes the complacent arrogance of the three main parties then UKIP winning a few seats may actually be a very good thing.
Yep that works for me /8/
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Oct 4 2014, 12:41 PM
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The Left are Revolting :'( they always have been Caruthers !jk!
So are you right whingers, judging by your posts.
I am a very happy person but you are correct in comparison to you I am right wing which I am very happy with !jk!
Another extremist then! ;-)
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