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The good and the bad
Topic Started: Oct 6 2014, 09:48 PM (140 Views)
Lewis
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On a political debate site, this post may be an anathema, but I'll make it regardless.

There are some things that inspire me and others that sicken me, about us who supposedly represent the human condition.

To the inspirational aspects. I can only have admiration for Stephen Sutton who tragically died in May this year. When dying he stated that "Cancer sucks", but that didn't deter him. He went on and achieved things that many of us can only dream about and if those of us were only half as motivated as this young man, then the world would be a far better place.

Another inspiration is Alan Henning. He was only in Syria to help people, yet was kidnapped and subsequently beheaded by the bastards that comprise Islamic State. These are the people I hate most of all. I wish that a hole to hell would open up and these murderous scum were swallowed up and dispatched to hell where they truly belong. They don't represent humanity or any religion, they are just barbarous savages, who have no place on earth or anywhere else.

What do you think. Humanity is regressing not progressing, it seems in the 21st Century!
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Lewis
Oct 6 2014, 09:48 PM
On a political debate site, this post may be an anathema, but I'll make it regardless.

There are some things that inspire me and others that sicken me, about us who supposedly represent the human condition.

To the inspirational aspects. I can only have admiration for Stephen Sutton who tragically died in May this year. When dying he stated that "Cancer sucks", but that didn't deter him. He went on and achieved things that many of us can only dream about and if those of us were only half as motivated as this young man, then the world would be a far better place.

Another inspiration is Alan Henning. He was only in Syria to help people, yet was kidnapped and subsequently beheaded by the bastards that comprise Islamic State. These are the people I hate most of all. I wish that a hole to hell would open up and these murderous scum were swallowed up and dispatched to hell where they truly belong. They don't represent humanity or any religion, they are just barbarous savages, who have no place on earth or anywhere else.

What do you think. Humanity is regressing not progressing, it seems in the 21st Century!
I think we are turning into a nation of whingers and complainers, with the media always looking for the negatives to create stories and sell newspapers, when there is so much better things to bring to the fore.
There is a silent majority of goodness that most people accept as the norm, being practiced on a daily basis, with many going beyond the call of duty with self sacrifice of their time and and effort sometimes with great personal risk and discomfort and expence to make the difference.
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Tytoalba
Oct 6 2014, 10:47 PM
There is a silent majority of goodness that most people accept as the norm, being practiced on a daily basis, with many going beyond the call of duty with self sacrifice of their time and and effort sometimes with great personal risk and discomfort and expence to make the difference.
An interesting way of looking at things.

I may have mentioned my mum going out of her way to look after this bloke,a junior officer in the merchant navy ("kid" would be a better description, he was hardly older than me and I was still doing A levels) who was brought to her health centre from his ship docked in port in need of some sort of urgent surgery. Mum went and got him from the hospital afterwards and brought him home for sunday lunch before taking him round to the station ..... so I guess I was brought up to believe that when someone's in deep shite I should do things to help not because I "should" but because i "can".

However, there are limits. In the aftermath of the first gulf war I got asked whether I would go out with a team to rebuild part of the communications tower at the edge of the shatt el arab taken out by Saddam's tanks. Red Adair had not yet put out all the oilfield fires. I tendered a quote got asked if they could think about it and heard nothing, then months later was asked to "rethink" my quote "now the fires were out and the desalination plants were working"

I did indeed rework the quote. I asked the company my uncle used while working for the Saudi Merchant Navy about living accomodation and security for a team for twice the time we thought we might actually need, and as you might guess, the costs were such that our tender was undercut. Such is business.

Years later I heard what had befallen the team that "won" that tender. Skimping on security and failing to bribe the right people (or bribe them well enough) they were "captured" by Iraqi "Border Guards" and dragged off to somewhere near Baghdad for quite a while They were eventually released but they were neither British nor American. And no news of their capture or release ever made it to the front pages.

The only "assistance" I would consider rendering in that sand filled shite hole is in arming the nuclear weaponry that would put the residents out of their misery.

I'm sure I will be reviled for saying this almost as much as that women who trolled the McCann's, but the bottom line is that from what I know from members of my family and their friends, and other friends of mine who have worked in the region in the past and in recent years, the man was a bloody idiot for going there. I would not go out there in any capacity for any reason or for any reward whatsoever, nor would I fund, support or encourage anyone of Western European origin to do so, for all your actions achieve is replenishment of the supply of throats to slit.
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Lewis
Oct 6 2014, 09:48 PM
On a political debate site, this post may be an anathema, but I'll make it regardless.

There are some things that inspire me and others that sicken me, about us who supposedly represent the human condition.

To the inspirational aspects. I can only have admiration for Stephen Sutton who tragically died in May this year. When dying he stated that "Cancer sucks", but that didn't deter him. He went on and achieved things that many of us can only dream about and if those of us were only half as motivated as this young man, then the world would be a far better place.

Another inspiration is Alan Henning. He was only in Syria to help people, yet was kidnapped and subsequently beheaded by the bastards that comprise Islamic State. These are the people I hate most of all. I wish that a hole to hell would open up and these murderous scum were swallowed up and dispatched to hell where they truly belong. They don't represent humanity or any religion, they are just barbarous savages, who have no place on earth or anywhere else.

What do you think. Humanity is regressing not progressing, it seems in the 21st Century!
Difficult question but a good question.

I'm still amazed at how good most people are in this and other countries despite the pressures. When you look at how abused and manipulated so many were as recently as the early 20th century then imho the long term trend is definitely better but the last decades have not been so good for humanity in the UK since the Heath years. The recent rise of "what's in it for me and mine" nationalism is very worrying.
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Lewis
Oct 6 2014, 09:48 PM
I wish that a hole to hell would open up and these murderous scum were swallowed up and dispatched to hell where they truly belong. They don't represent humanity or any religion, they are just barbarous savages, who have no place on earth or anywhere else.


This is possibly the first time I find myself in complete accord with your view!
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Lewis
Oct 6 2014, 09:48 PM


What do you think. Humanity is regressing not progressing, it seems in the 21st Century!
In the last few days I have insisted that 'modern civilisation' is evidence of the 'good' inherent in man surviving the cruelties and barbarism of the past. Our laws, our system of government (democracy), are examples of man's humanity overcoming oppression and persecution.

Yet it hasn't been that long since war, and murder on a massive scale was taking place - now Islam defies that logic I post.
Man is good - systems are corrupt.



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Man is good - systems are corrupt.


Interesting but not sure if good is the right word :P
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Oh dear, one cannot disagree as to do so would bring the collective hatred of anyone who needs to agree down upon one.
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Perhaps relevant to this question, or maybe deserving a thread of its own (or not), but I was stirred into interest by a comment made by a Muslim woman in response to the question, "why are middle class UK Muslim women being attracted to enlist with IS".
Her answer included the comment that very many British 'TEENAGE' Muslims in the UK "have an identity crisis'.

I have my own take on why this might be so, what could cause it, and what can be done to reverse it .... but that cannot prevent the consequences being felt of ten years plus of Muslims in their most informative years being subject to the most discriminate, critical, accusative, sometimes hatred from virtually every source that isn't attached to Islam.

I can see how it must be true - we create these problems for ourselves by our own prejudices. I know how I would react if it were me.



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