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| Topic Started: Oct 11 2014, 01:29 PM (1,421 Views) | |
| Alberich | Oct 11 2014, 01:29 PM Post #1 |
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I note that Farage has attracted some criticism from the usual suspects about his comments on the NHS and newcomers with HIV. He argued that no-one from outside the EU should be allowed to come here and claim treatment under the NHS if they are suffering from an HIV infection, unless they have health insurance and are able to pay. What he is basically saying is that the NHS cannot continue to offer free medical care (especially the very expensive antiretroviral treatment that AIDS requires) to all and sundry on arrival. Africa, as an example, is awash with HIV sufferers, and the attraction of free health care for that illness in the UK is, for many in that continent, overwhelming. Hundreds are already here and being treated....free of charge to them; but not to us. Surely Farage is right. It is self evident. We cannot offer the facilities of the NHS, free of charge, to all who come here; especially those who have illness before they travel to these shores. Nige should be congratulated for stating the bleeding obvious, instead of having the guardianistas throwing up their hands in horror. Good for you, Farage. |
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| papasmurf | Oct 18 2014, 07:45 AM Post #121 |
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Not impossible RJD, at some time in the not too distant future, Britain, and the rest of the world will have to rely on what is sustainably available locally. It would be better to plan for that whilst we can, than wait until the change is forced by circumstance. |
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| Stan Still | Oct 18 2014, 07:48 AM Post #122 |
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Oh bugger ........ editing still beats me. Stan; I'm with you. Where we differ is in this concept of the NHS being in crisis. It only experiences crisis when funding is withdrawn - the UK spends about the European average on Health care (now less), is rated amongst the best. It isn't broke. This ebola crisis has seen the NHS's reputation increase ....... it performs well. How long it can continue as it is does in a big way depend on the strains put on it by immigratio [/quote]As far as I am aware funding has not been reduced, also bad reports in the media yet again this week shows how many mistakes are being made in the NHS |
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| C-too | Oct 18 2014, 08:24 AM Post #123 |
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2005 should have read 2015. |
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| Affa | Oct 18 2014, 09:44 AM Post #124 |
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I agree with you ......... and oddly, when I have made similar observations it has been those on the right that have declared it 'rubbish'. Being a country where the service industry sector is by far the biggest employer it is this notion of 'value added' wealth creation they have difficulty with. Very often their insistence that the public sector service industry is a drain on wealth prevents them from seeing the reality of it. Why this happens is a symptom of the lingering conviction that Nationalised Service sector jobs do not add wealth, but are a burden on the Private sector where wealth is created. When I ask how does it occur that Privatising a Nationalised Industry (eg Energy provisions) is able to turn it from a drain on tax payers into a wealth creating asset? My verdict is of course that it doesn't - my verdict is that the whole idea is right-wing BS. Edited by Affa, Oct 18 2014, 09:46 AM.
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| Affa | Oct 18 2014, 09:58 AM Post #125 |
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Whilst any and all mistakes are regrettable, and we must assume are avoidable, it is not clever to determine that these reports by themselves are reason to declare the NHS is in crisis or to say it isn't working, needs a complete overall. It will be possible to unearth true cases of negligence and mistakes in the Health care industry anywhere, under any system - a wrong diagnosis, a careless medical officer, whatever. It is the use of such as propaganda to try to usher in reforms (that will never prevent mistakes) that I find most despicable. |
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| Tigger | Oct 18 2014, 10:02 AM Post #126 |
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I could be wrong here but someone else on this forum with the exact same name as you said a few days ago that making things was a struggle in the UK and that we'd best concentrate on highly profitable money shuffling!
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| Stan Still | Oct 18 2014, 10:04 AM Post #127 |
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Having had family working in the NHS that have now left in disgust and what I see at my local brand new hospital their and my opinion is the NHS is struggling |
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