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| The working man speaks. | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 13 2014, 06:44 PM (874 Views) | |
| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 06:44 PM Post #1 |
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I don't like UKIP i believe they would lead this nation to disaster, but despite this prospect something good has come out of it all. The working man has got a voice again! For years we have been the butt of jokes, we are lazy, we are stupid, we have not moved with the times, we are all middle class now and other such bollocks, you could at one time crack jokes about the various races that is thankfully now largely unacceptable but at the same time it was almost anything goes if you were white and nominally working class. UKIP has frightened the establishment because it has set itself out to appeal to the forgotten working class, good isn't it? The problem is Lab/Con have probably no answers to this as yet, I suspect it would take Farage, Carswell and Reckless to conduct a gang bang in a nursery school to reverse loss of votes to the main parties. |
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| Rich | Oct 13 2014, 06:49 PM Post #2 |
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And that is the reason that UKIP will get my vote, I cannot speak for the rest of my family but I suspect that they will agree with me, I don't like to ask or try to influence them....they must learn for themselves, once the boys have been lied to they may well be as cynical as me, one thing is for sure, my wife will certainly not vote for Labour whilst the 2 Ed's are in charge. |
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| papasmurf | Oct 13 2014, 06:50 PM Post #3 |
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Can you explain that please. |
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| Happy Hornet | Oct 13 2014, 06:53 PM Post #4 |
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This working man doesn't feel the least bit empowered by UKIP. They are the latest political party to claim to have our best interests at heart, quite a few have in my lifetime, I've never believed any of them. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 06:54 PM Post #5 |
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I dont think that UKIP have given the working man a voice. I think that they have a front man who reflects the working man's fears while pretending to be one of 'us'. |
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 06:56 PM Post #6 |
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I thought I did? Working people have been ignored, vilified and held up to ridicule by both the main parties with the class system actually gaining some strength on the back of this. That looks to be on hold at the moment. If you continually ignore the masses you eventually get trouble, history tell us this, we are the backbone of this country not them. |
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 06:59 PM Post #7 |
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In that you are probably right, I doubt most potential UKIP voters would care either way though, at least UKIP makes noises that actually have some appeal no matter how dubious that might be on closer examination. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 07:08 PM Post #8 |
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If UKIP is a collection of right wing misfits who's main policies are AGW denial and 'getting out of the EU will lead us to a new Jerusalem' but cunningly disguising this by mimicing working class fears then both they and the other parties are simply lying to the electorate...nothing changes. They are just a new lot of lying politicians...and we will be in the same place in the next 20 or so years time that we always were going to be. |
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| Happy Hornet | Oct 13 2014, 07:17 PM Post #9 |
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Gansao, I think it's a measure of how badly the three main parties have let us down that Farrage is seen as a working class hero. |
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| papasmurf | Oct 13 2014, 07:17 PM Post #10 |
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They still are being ignored, vilified and held up to ridicule by both the main parties and the press and the media. So what do you think has changed? Edited by papasmurf, Oct 13 2014, 07:19 PM.
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| papasmurf | Oct 13 2014, 07:19 PM Post #11 |
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Who by? |
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| Marconi | Oct 13 2014, 07:22 PM Post #12 |
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Tigger, I totally agree with your comments and sentiments, and know where you are coming from. But Farage makes all the right noises at the right times. That toff has nothing in common with my life, he is a far right tosser. |
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| Happy Hornet | Oct 13 2014, 07:27 PM Post #13 |
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I agree Marconi, the notion that Farrage represents me and people like me insults my intelligence. MY intelligence. I'll let that sink in for a moment. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 07:27 PM Post #14 |
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You miss my point. This right wing bunch without any discernible or realistic policies realise how disconnected the public have become with the main parties and ape the public's anxieties while criticising much of what is happening after the fact. They have the perfect front man in Farage. Its pretty bleedin' obvious that they couldnt get away with this if the other parties were any good but there is no reason to believe they would be any better. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 07:28 PM Post #15 |
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You want names and addresses ?
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 07:37 PM Post #16 |
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UKIP has given this worker a voice and IMO and many other workers, this label of calling oneself working class is outdated nonsense a divide a conquer tactic by the dinosaur class warriors, you are either a worker or you are not no matter what your background is. |
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| papasmurf | Oct 13 2014, 07:39 PM Post #17 |
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No but most of the working class people I know would not urinate on Farage if he were on fire unless they could urinate petrol. |
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 07:42 PM Post #18 |
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Yes and rule out anyone who reads the Mail and all the other right wing media readers as they are all brainwashed, Oh anyone with an IQ level below 142, or rich, and anyone who has ever walked passed Tory HQ on their way to Aldi.
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| Happy Hornet | Oct 13 2014, 07:45 PM Post #19 |
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Gansao, I think I can see what you're driving at. To me there seems to be a lot of self delusion going on. Ever had that friend who has made a number of bad relationship choices? Then they introduce you to their latest squeeze who they tell you is different from all the ones before and they know that this time it's going to work out perfectly. Only you and everyone else can see that he or she is just like all the others and it will all end in tears again, but there is no point telling them, they'll only shoot the messenger? That's what the whole UKIP thing feels like to me only on a national scale. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 07:47 PM Post #20 |
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Maybe most of the working class in the UK think the same but some of the stuff he says resonates with people who's wages have stagnated and live in towns and communities with a high volume of immigrants.. |
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| papasmurf | Oct 13 2014, 07:48 PM Post #21 |
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I suspect you don't realise you have just shot yourself in the foot with those comments. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 07:51 PM Post #22 |
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I reckon you never miss an edition of the Mail on Sunday
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 07:51 PM Post #23 |
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and take your flat cap off when in the Forum
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 07:53 PM Post #24 |
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Yup, I suspect unlike a lot of people you actually think for yourself instead of looking for ready made solutions that appeal to the baser instincts.
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| Steve K | Oct 13 2014, 07:53 PM Post #25 |
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That would be the same UKIP that campaigned in 2010 to remove all individual rights so big business could grind workers into the ground And seems some here ^ think a leopard changes its spots. Dream on http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge10/man/parties/UKIPManifesto2010.pdf |
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 07:54 PM Post #26 |
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Nah Sunday Times, Guardian on the Monday to see what the champagne socialists are up to after their weekend in the country
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| papasmurf | Oct 13 2014, 07:55 PM Post #27 |
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| Rich | Oct 13 2014, 07:58 PM Post #28 |
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I understood he wore braces and a knotted handkerchief Stan.
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 07:58 PM Post #29 |
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Stan, if you hold down a job to keep a roof over your head and put food on the table you are working class and make no mistake about that, if on the other hand you can drop what you are doing and waltz off round the World for a couple of years to "discover yourself" and then come back and pick up where you left off you are most certainly not working class! Both Tony Blair and John Major were big advocates of a classless society, the latter has since expressed doubts very recently......... |
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 08:04 PM Post #30 |
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Most vocal fans of UKIP seem to be getting on a bit, the younger people who I mix with on a day to day basis seem as unimpressed by UKIP as they are with the other parties, no one is speaking for the younger generation who are generally not racist or xenophobic or even remotely nationalistic like the supposed betters. |
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 08:05 PM Post #31 |
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You may want to follow the herd and be content to be categorised I work you work Charlie, works ergo we are workers |
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 08:07 PM Post #32 |
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Also a broad leather belt he don't trust braces rich Toffs wear them
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 08:08 PM Post #33 |
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Another pensioner still working, there are a lot of us about
Edited by Stan Still, Oct 13 2014, 08:09 PM.
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 08:09 PM Post #34 |
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Ah a stereotypical right winger who cannot understand how you can be wealthy and left wing at the same time. That must really test your powers of deduction. Best to have a lay down and tell yourself that only selfish people can become rich.
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 08:10 PM Post #35 |
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Of course Stan, I'd have to lie as well if I wanted to join the golf club or the Masons.
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 08:11 PM Post #36 |
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Of course you never stereotype do you
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 08:12 PM Post #37 |
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I'd never join any club that lets you in
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 08:12 PM Post #38 |
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I'd suggest you look up the word "working".
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| Tigger | Oct 13 2014, 08:13 PM Post #39 |
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On the contrary, on here it saves me a lot of time and wasted energy trying to explain things. |
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| Stan Still | Oct 13 2014, 08:14 PM Post #40 |
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Its not in the Essex Towie Dictionary, I tried that read all three pages
Edited by Stan Still, Oct 13 2014, 08:14 PM.
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and take your flat cap off when in the Forum
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