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The working man speaks.
Topic Started: Oct 13 2014, 06:44 PM (875 Views)
Tigger
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I don't like UKIP i believe they would lead this nation to disaster, but despite this prospect something good has come out of it all.

The working man has got a voice again! For years we have been the butt of jokes, we are lazy, we are stupid, we have not moved with the times, we are all middle class now and other such bollocks, you could at one time crack jokes about the various races that is thankfully now largely unacceptable but at the same time it was almost anything goes if you were white and nominally working class.

UKIP has frightened the establishment because it has set itself out to appeal to the forgotten working class, good isn't it? The problem is Lab/Con have probably no answers to this as yet, I suspect it would take Farage, Carswell and Reckless to conduct a gang bang in a nursery school to reverse loss of votes to the main parties.
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Affa
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somersetli
Oct 15 2014, 02:36 PM
C-too
Oct 15 2014, 12:35 PM
somersetli
Oct 15 2014, 12:18 PM
gansao
Oct 15 2014, 08:24 AM

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On your point of UKIP putting forward half baked promises, that puts them on par with all the other political parties. They all do that, so we cannot single UKIP out in that respect.



I doubt if I would vote UKIP though next year, simply because I fear that it could lead to the Labour party getting back into power, which I feel would not be in this country's best interests....................and I supported Labour all my adult life up to 2001.
Do you mind if I ask you what happened in 2001 for you to stop voting Labour?
No I don't mind telling you that
At the TUC Training College in London I met Harold Wilson and Barbara Castle (and I still have my red tie and can sing The Red Flag). All these people, and many of their kind, had a great connection with ordinary working men and women. Something that is lacking in the present Labour Party.

Can I forward an hypothesis ....... The Business Giants have been promoting their self interests by establishing and funding the Conservative party, and it worked well for them. Until Thatcher and then it seemed that throwing more and more money at the Conservatives, no matter that they also had a good grip on the propaganda network, was not going to be enough to keep them in government - the Nasty Party was beyond saving. So they did the smart thing. They bought the opposition instead, and at a damn less spend than the Tories were receiving.

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Affa
Oct 15 2014, 04:53 PM
somersetli
Oct 15 2014, 02:36 PM
C-too
Oct 15 2014, 12:35 PM
somersetli
Oct 15 2014, 12:18 PM

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Do you mind if I ask you what happened in 2001 for you to stop voting Labour?
No I don't mind telling you that
At the TUC Training College in London I met Harold Wilson and Barbara Castle (and I still have my red tie and can sing The Red Flag). All these people, and many of their kind, had a great connection with ordinary working men and women. Something that is lacking in the present Labour Party.

Can I forward an hypothesis ....... The Business Giants have been promoting their self interests by establishing and funding the Conservative party, and it worked well for them. Until Thatcher and then it seemed that throwing more and more money at the Conservatives, no matter that they also had a good grip on the propaganda network, was not going to be enough to keep them in government - the Nasty Party was beyond saving. So they did the smart thing. They bought the opposition instead, and at a damn less spend than the Tories were receiving.

I do love your conspiracy theories Affa. You should adopt my pseudonym; Sinic suits you far better than Affa(ble). ;D
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somersetli
Oct 15 2014, 02:36 PM
At the TUC Training College in London I met Harold Wilson and Barbara Castle (and I still have my red tie and can sing The Red Flag). All these people, and many of their kind, had a great connection with ordinary working men and women. Something that is lacking in the present Labour Party.
That IMO is the problem with Labour.
On BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Graham Stringer, MP for Blackley and Broughton, said Mr Miliband was “not an asset”. “If you go on the doorstep, Ed isn’t an asset to us. I don’t think that is even a controversial thing to say, rather sadly. They [voters] think he doesn’t understand the problems they are suffering”.
In the by-election, Mr Stringer said, Labour focused on the NHS but voters were talking about immigration. “You can’t hope to win elections if you don’t talk about what the people are talking about,” he warned. “We have a problem about communications and credibility,” said Mr Stringer. “People have to believe what we say, at the moment, they simply don’t.”

As miliband is often quoting, " He just doesn't get it".


David Blunkett got it right, he said one is the idea of having a conversation with people rather than performing in front of them in a kind of parade.

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Affa
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Major Sinic
Oct 15 2014, 05:04 PM
Affa
Oct 15 2014, 04:53 PM
somersetli
Oct 15 2014, 02:36 PM
C-too
Oct 15 2014, 12:35 PM

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No I don't mind telling you that
At the TUC Training College in London I met Harold Wilson and Barbara Castle (and I still have my red tie and can sing The Red Flag). All these people, and many of their kind, had a great connection with ordinary working men and women. Something that is lacking in the present Labour Party.

Can I forward an hypothesis ....... The Business Giants have been promoting their self interests by establishing and funding the Conservative party, and it worked well for them. Until Thatcher and then it seemed that throwing more and more money at the Conservatives, no matter that they also had a good grip on the propaganda network, was not going to be enough to keep them in government - the Nasty Party was beyond saving. So they did the smart thing. They bought the opposition instead, and at a damn less spend than the Tories were receiving.

I do love your conspiracy theories Affa. You should adopt my pseudonym; Sinic suits you far better than Affa(ble). ;D


I hate Conspiracy Theorists.

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Oct 14 2014, 10:15 PM
- they have changed their (rogue employers dream) plan to remove all individual rights to replacing them with a so called British Bill of Rights - but are saying just about nothing about what rights will remain. As such it is still back to the 1930s.
Did we have no rights in the 30s?
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Gnikkk
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As someone who has looked for protest votes on many of the matters that have always been important to ordinary people I welcome the opportunity to not put my X next to the NF or BNP. Labour are dead in the water so don't concern yourselves re the ludicrous claims that a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour.
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