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Should mentally retarded people be allowed to become MP's or be allowed to sit in the Lords?
Topic Started: Oct 15 2014, 07:20 PM (474 Views)
Tigger
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This is not to do with lacklustre performance or anything to do with not very bright over privileged people talking out of their backsides but an attempt to put these disadvantaged people back at the heart of society, instead of an MP getting an annual salary of £67,060 how about £2 an hour instead?
Assorted Lords could also be employed as office clerks and factory cleaners so we can make poor taste jokes about them behind their backs.

Don't shoot the messenger chaps we are talking primarily economics here!
Edited by Tigger, Oct 15 2014, 07:22 PM.
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papasmurf
Oct 16 2014, 08:53 PM
Tigger
Oct 16 2014, 08:41 PM
He's a former banker so therefore unbelievably talented
Really?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7891213.stm

In 1983 he was headhunted by the firm Rowe & Pitman, which would change its name eight times during the 20 years he worked there.

His first job - writing research on companies from whom he was also soliciting money for advice - would be illegal today, and he told the Guardian in 2006 that the experience made him want to run a "very ethical sector".



I had successfully sold the market a pup



Sir David Freud on Eurotunnel


Instead he moved into advising companies, and was involved in piecing together extremely complex deals such as the flotations of Eurotunnel and EuroDisney, which cost investors millions, and the financing of the Channel Tunnel rail link.

All earned him a great deal of publicity, as well as criticism.

Eurotunnel opened in May 1994 one year behind schedule and £2bn ($2.9bn) over budget.

Sir David later admitted the deal was a "shambles" and that he had "successfully sold the market a pup".
Obviously tongue in cheek irony not a strong point with you! ;D
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Tigger
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Tytoalba
Oct 18 2014, 03:38 PM
RoofGardener
Oct 17 2014, 09:45 AM
... and just a brief sojourne into the world of whimsy.

Enter the Marquis of Titchfield (William John Cavendish-Scott-Bentinck) as fifth Duke, via a trapdoor in the floor !
Born in 1800, he succeeded to the Dukeship in 1854, and proceeded to honeycombe the stately home at Welbeck with a maze of tunnels, allowing him to wander around his home - and his estates - without anyone seeing him. This network - along with large underground structures (including a full-size ballroom) - was vast and extensive. Some tunnels went for miles, and where wide enough to drive a horse and carriage through. One modern commentator suggested "it was as though he had anticipated Nuclear Warfare and Civil Defence".

He sat in the House of Lords and - when travelling to London - did so via his tunnels (to the railways station), then in a sealed railway carriage (and in sealed horse carriage) so that nobody could see him. He delivered instructions to his servants via notes pushed through a special internal letterbox. His private rooms incorporated trapdoors to allow him to access his tunnel network. Nobody could every be sure exactly where he was at any given moment in time.

He painted all of the rooms in his house pink. Upon his death, the executors of his will found one room stocked floor to ceiling with boxes, each of which contained a single brown wig.

Now THATS the sort of person we need more of in the House of Lords. Nutty as a fruitcake !

There is a history website with a short article on the Duke of Portland , and it WELL worth a read.
Just think of the employment he gave to the miners.


No need to curtsey on your way out. ;-)
Edited by Tigger, Oct 18 2014, 05:47 PM.
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To sum up then. Freud had a point. He expressed it clumsily. Milliband was either badly briefed, or was unable to resist making himself look a right plonker....again!
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marybrown
Oct 18 2014, 04:37 PM
So are we just going with ''mentally disabled?''
The furore about Lord Freud insulting comments is about him suggesting mentally handicapped people being paid £2 an hour. Mental handicap and mental illness are totally different things.
Around a 1/4 of people have a mental illness at some time in their lives.
Most people with a mental handicap are born that way.

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Alberich
Oct 18 2014, 06:12 PM
To sum up then. Freud had a point. He expressed it clumsily. Milliband was either badly briefed, or was unable to resist making himself look a right plonker....again!
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Tigger
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Alberich
Oct 18 2014, 06:12 PM
To sum up then. Freud had a point. He expressed it clumsily. Milliband was either badly briefed, or was unable to resist making himself look a right plonker....again!
But then again if you hold the sort of views Freud does it's best not to air them because other opportunistic politicians will use them to make you look like a twat.
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RoofGardener
Oct 17 2014, 09:45 AM
... and just a brief sojourne into the world of whimsy.

Enter the Marquis of Titchfield (William John Cavendish-Scott-Bentinck) as fifth Duke, via a trapdoor in the floor !
Born in 1800, he succeeded to the Dukeship in 1854, and proceeded to honeycombe the stately home at Welbeck with a maze of tunnels, allowing him to wander around his home - and his estates - without anyone seeing him. This network - along with large underground structures (including a full-size ballroom) - was vast and extensive. Some tunnels went for miles, and where wide enough to drive a horse and carriage through. One modern commentator suggested "it was as though he had anticipated Nuclear Warfare and Civil Defence".

He sat in the House of Lords and - when travelling to London - did so via his tunnels (to the railways station), then in a sealed railway carriage (and in sealed horse carriage) so that nobody could see him. He delivered instructions to his servants via notes pushed through a special internal letterbox. His private rooms incorporated trapdoors to allow him to access his tunnel network. Nobody could every be sure exactly where he was at any given moment in time.

He painted all of the rooms in his house pink. Upon his death, the executors of his will found one room stocked floor to ceiling with boxes, each of which contained a single brown wig.

Now THATS the sort of person we need more of in the House of Lords. Nutty as a fruitcake !

There is a history website with a short article on the Duke of Portland , and it WELL worth a read.
Unless there are two such nutters, the estate to which you refer was featured in a recent episode of "Great Railway Journeys" hosted by the only sort of person wealthy enough to afford railway tickets these days, former MP turned tosser before a tv camera Michael Portillo
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Alberich
Oct 18 2014, 06:12 PM
Milliband was either badly briefed, or was unable to resist making himself look a right plonker....again!
Actually only a part of what is involved was commented on by Miliband, and the mainstream media has either missed it or are editing it out.
Suggested reading:-

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2906-freud-row-councillor-rents-accommodation-to-people-with-learning-disabilities
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In Italy I was obliged to employ, by Law, a number, in proportion to total staff, of disabled people. I had two, they did not work full time and the State took a significant portion of the costs. I think this is the situation that the man was alluding to.I
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Heinrich
Oct 17 2014, 02:00 AM
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Oct 16 2014, 05:54 PM
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Oct 15 2014, 09:41 PM
Lewis
Oct 15 2014, 07:27 PM
Well there are 650 retards in the HOC, plus a few hundred more in the Lords. From what I see of it maybe some of the disabled that Lord Fraud wants to be paid £2 an hour could do a far better job then this dross.
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plus a few hundred more in the Lords.


760 Lords eligible to play an actively role.

Did dementia get mentioned as well?



When I lived in France, the house of Lords frequently appeared on comedy shows...clips of them asleep and snoring.. !(0)!
So much the better. They cannot do any harm asleep.
Some of them do fall asleep on occasions, but if you look at the picture the small round brass plate set in the back of the seat its an audio speaker, they are all over in order that everyone in the place can hear what is being said.

That is why you see those with hearing problems leaning towards them to hear better.
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