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£1,7 surcharge just the 1st installment; Barosso vereus Cameron
Topic Started: Oct 26 2014, 04:52 PM (762 Views)
Boxter
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11185604/Both-the-EU-and-Cameron-must-come-clean-about-the-origins-of-this-outrageous-bill.html

The Cameron jibe against UKIP is that if you vote for us you get Labour. Is the only reason to vote for Camerons useless lot because they are slightly less abnoxious than the Labour party GREAT ENDORSEMENT THAT

The sad truth is whether you vote CONSERVATIVE LABOUR OR LIB DEM YOU IN FACT GET SOMEONE CALLED MANUEL BAROSSO who currently demands AND WILL GET a £1.7 billion super stealth tax from his menial mr Cameron and laugh all the way to the Bundesbank when our glorious leader blusters he wont pay up (ON THE 1st DECEMBER AT LEAST) then tells the BBC he didn't rule out paying at a later date anyway!

Barosso is laughing because he states that for every day Cameron refuses to stump up he will penalise the UK taxpayer by a further £47 million per day he dosent get his 1.7 billion blood money paid on time.

That's not the end of the sorry saga however as the same bean counters who drempt this one up are already penciling in a further British Billion raid for next year. I wonder are these the same bean counters who refused for the last 20 years to sign off on the EU accounts because of the massive rampant fraud

Its also weird that whilst the official UK employment figures never being as high the total income tax take by the treasury has FALLEN forcing our glorious coalition to borrow even more to make up the shortfall. Seems all the shiney new coalition jobs dont pay enough to qualify for paying any income tax!

THIS ALL BEGS THE PERTINENT QUESTION AS TO EXACTLY WHAT TAX INCREASES OR EXTRA CUTS CAMERON IS GOING TO BE FORCED BY HIS EU BOSS MR BAROSSO TO IMPOSE ON THE REST OF US TO PAY FOR THIS UNJUST BACKDOOR EU MANUEL BAROSSO TAX??

Come on Dave dont be coy we really want to know HOW YOU WILL MAKE THE REST OF US suffer for your prolonging the agony until 2017 PLUS not paying your boss Barosso on time!!

IF YOU DONT WANT TO HAVE TO PAY BAROSSO TAX PLUS EXTRA CUTS THEY WILL INDUCE THEN FORGET THE REST VOTE FOR THE BEST

VOTE UKIP
Edited by Boxter, Oct 26 2014, 05:05 PM.
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Steve K
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Boxter
Oct 29 2014, 07:12 PM
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Why do you post such obviously false tripe?


Is that even to be graced with the epiphet argument? Which bit isw false and which bit is tripe its merely a statement of hard cold fact which explains otherwise totally irrational behaviour by those we fondly suppose that we have elected to rule this country;

They allegdly make our laws yet a maoist communist who no one in this country ever voted for states it illegal for our prime minister to do anything to stop benefits tourists swamping HIS OWN MINISTERS WORDS our towns and cities.

They demand £1.7billion and our prime minister who we elect to run our country once again is treated like a wee boy in the head masters study and the best he comes up with is he wont pay (ON THE 1st DECEMBER) but will do so shortly afterwards

Its so pathetic its sad

The only explaination is those making these statements are our real rulers and our elected leaders are their puppets

Well thanks for replying Boxter but you posted: "The only function David Cameron or whoever follows him to the job have in life is to slavishly rubber stamp the dictats of their/our Brussels masters "

So who decided the cabinet - Brussels or Cameron? And who decided the levels of taxes, benefits, road traffic laws, sentencing of offenders, which equipment and systems will be procured by government departments etc etc oh yes the cabinet that Cameron appointed with their decision often after review with Cameron and certainly approval by parliament

Who decided to go to war with Gaddafi - Brussels or Cameron?

Who decided to have a referendum on Scotland - Brussels or Cameron?

Who decided to have the United Kingdom 2011 EU Referendum Act that strictly limits any future EU changes - Brussels or Cameron?

I could go on but you can see how this is going can't you. Your assertion was so manifestly wrong that to call it tripe was doing it a favour. Tripe has value to some people.

You may well hate the EU and the obligations it places on the UK, that's a fair enough view and there are many honest arguments to support such a stance. To use false arguments that even fib happy UKIP have long abandoned as drivel really isn't going to help your case though are they?
Edited by Steve K, Oct 29 2014, 07:30 PM.
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Well our real rulers in Brussels cant do it all themselves they leave the boring stuff to threir minions like Cameron while they make the big decisions . Its like the UK government is merely a county council of the new USE empire while Brussels is the HQ with the real power
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Oct 28 2014, 07:52 PM
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Oct 28 2014, 02:15 PM
The problem that the Tiggers of this world are unable to grasp is that it is NOT all or nothing when it comes to the E.U.
Correct, but what you are utterly incapable of understanding is that is 2014 and not some golden era when Britain ruled the waves and when there was fog in the channel the continent was cut off.

The boot is clearly on the other foot these days and we either join in and co operate or slowly wither on the vine, it really is that simple..........

And GROW UP! ;D
You still don't get it. We can COOPERATE without signing up to the whole shebang! You seem to be under the misguided impression that those of us who are not too keen on being bit players in the grand design of the United States of Europe are somehow harking back to some Victorian idyll. Nothing is further from the truth. We favour full cooperation in areas of trade, and the harmonisation of tariffs and the trading environment to the mutual advantage of all concerned. Common market....YES. An off shore province of the grand design, giving up self government.....NO! And talking of growing up; come on...puhlease! You talking of the boot being on the other foot, and withering on the vine is paranoea writ large, and childish in the extreme. What the hell are you scared of?

DO try and keep up. I know it isn't easy for you. But DO try.

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Oct 29 2014, 07:40 PM
Well our real rulers in Brussels cant do it all themselves they leave the boring stuff to threir minions like Cameron while they make the big decisions . Its like the UK government is merely a county council of the new USE empire while Brussels is the HQ with the real power
So in your world going to war is boring and regulations on paper clips exciting?


You were wrong and you know you were, even Farage would disown your arguments
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Oct 29 2014, 07:51 PM
You still don't get it. We can COOPERATE without signing up to the whole shebang! You seem to be under the misguided impression that those of us who are not too keen on being bit players in the grand design of the United States of Europe are somehow harking back to some Victorian idyll. Nothing is further from the truth. We favour full cooperation in areas of trade, and the harmonisation of tariffs and the trading environment to the mutual advantage of all concerned. Common market....YES. An off shore province of the grand design, giving up self government.....NO! And talking of growing up; come on...puhlease! You talking of the boot being on the other foot, and withering on the vine is paranoea writ large, and childish in the extreme. What the hell are you scared of?

DO try and keep up. I know it isn't easy for you. But DO try.

But how do you think you can make your ideal work?

As I posted once before this is how it will go the Monday after a Farage government took us out of Europe and he phones up Juncker to get a trade deal

Farage: Morning Mr Juncker we need to negotiate a trade deal

Juncker: Who are you, no wait you were the one that said we were inefficient and a burden. What was it you wanted?

Farage: we need to agree a trade deal

Juncker: no we don't, you need a trade deal

Farage: but we have to have access to your markets

Juncker: so you do, well you can't. Now fuck off

Farage: but I have to have a deal

Juncker: yes you do don't you, here's a deal: you pay all the contributions you were before, you get no rebate, no say in the rules, nothing will be accepted that doesn't comply to EU rules, everything has to be priced in Euros and you have to allow our workers to freely take jobs in the UK

Farage: oh no, can't have that

Juncker: then you don't have a deal. How you going to pay for our food that you need, oh by the way that has to be in Euros too

Farage: I won't be able to.

Juncker: then you don't get any

Farage: I'll be lynched by my electorate, my German wife will knot the rope for them

Juncker: and that would be a bad thing? Now fuck off like I told you to.



The EU will have no interest in a deal if we leave and every interest to see us humiliated pour encourager les autres. There is nothing we supply that they have to have and they know we want and in some cases have to have what they supply. The Chinese will happily take up their food just like they've taken up the wider world food supply we used to access.






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Oct 29 2014, 11:30 AM
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Oct 28 2014, 07:52 PM
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Oct 28 2014, 02:15 PM
The problem that the Tiggers of this world are unable to grasp is that it is NOT all or nothing when it comes to the E.U.
Correct, but what you are utterly incapable of understanding is that is 2014 and not some golden era when Britain ruled the waves and when there was fog in the channel the continent was cut off.

The boot is clearly on the other foot these days and we either join in and co operate or slowly wither on the vine, it really is that simple..........

And GROW UP! ;D
Not true. You have a habit of making up your claims. The UK and USA are growing and the EZ is tanking. Anyone who places the UK's future as only being with the EU is delusional. The USA is a far more important economy to the UK that the EU. Just look how much the UK invests in the USA and vica versa. Just look how much the UK and USA have investment assets outside of the EU and north America, compared to the rest of the EU. At the moment the EZ is on the verge of a third downturn in a row and is putting it's hopes on Germany which has just slide closer to the edge with factor outputs forecasts in rapid decline. That said the rest of the EU Banks are not in as good a shape as those based in the UK and on top of that the ECB has little or know room for manoeuvre. Push the EZ Banks into strengthening their weak balance sheets will not help any economic growth, however, in not doing so will put them at risk when the next chill wind blows and blow it will. Coupled with all of this the EU is losing global market share at an increased rate and soon Germany will find that it's pencils are being made elsewhere.
Goon. You need schooling in joined up thinking.

On another thread you bang on about the growing levels of debt in the UK! ;D The US is almost as bad, both nations have printed money like it is going out of fashion and the "growth" closely mirrors the increased debt levels, the EU HAS NOT FOLLOWED THIS PATH YET and it's debt levels remain stable in addition it also trades with the rest of the World at a profit giving scope for balanced budgets and a sustainable future.

Fact, China holds Trillions in US debt and Britain is happy to shuffle money whilst much of its industrial base, utilities and strategic assets fall into the hands of anyone with loose change in his pocket, the word "pop" comes to mind here.

WAKE UP! ;D
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Not over Affa, just moved undergroung prior to the next GE.
If Labour win, it will be tea and sandwhiches in Downing street again for Milliband is the Union puppet, and they will be pulling the strings.

The Unions are irrelevant, their membership reduced, their rights curtailed, and in thirteen years got nothing from Labour other than inclusiveness (something lacking when the Tories are in government).

But what bothers me is that the damning influence you dare to claim the Unions have over a Labour government (but do not) is actually exerted by business no matter what party is in government, and cannot see anything wrong with that ........ why?

There is nothing more scary than power over ones life being in the the hands of corporate business that only recognises the ledger as being of consequence.






I think you have to understand that the Labour Paymasters are Public Sector Unions and they will and do resist any reduction in the size of Big Nanny, however, without such we are stuffed. Understand like yesteryear the bosses of these Unions are not friends of capitalism and are happy to see the State fail in order that their Marxist ideologies get a chance. If you think these Union Bosses are closet Capitalists then you are deluding yourself. Same old 1960s and 70s ideological claptrap about the State being the best provider, this against more that 100 years of evidence to show that it is definitely not and conversely is a danger to our health and welfare.
Unmitigated turgid drivel, forty years out of date why am I not surprised?

I bet you miss Crossroads as well, the sets were almost as wobbly as your logic! ;D
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Even Nick Clegg is on the Warpath now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2814147/UK-contributions-payments-EU-DOUBLED-five-years-8billion-latest-bill-extra-1-7bn.html
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Oct 29 2014, 03:01 PM
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lol ........... Even the bloody Communists are Capitalists these days ......... this scare tactic of putting the Trade Unions up as enemies of capitalism is so out of date only the ancient remember when it could have been true.
Nobody believes it, not even you RJD, but as a 'divisive' tactic for political opportunism it worked before so let's keep it going.


You are confused as I did not mention "Trade Unions". Please read slowly.


Am I confused? Or is it you once more ......... and I will not accept the inverted comma 'definition' as meaning anything other than pedantry - to try to avoid recognition of your mistaken allegation.

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the Labour Paymasters are Public Sector Unions and they will and do resist any reduction in the size of Big Nanny, however, without such we are stuffed. Understand like yesteryear the bosses of these Unions are not friends of capitalism
Rubbish. First you deny the existence of our national debt as a problem now you deny that I used the term Public Sector Unions. Is this your style of debate w by ere you just hurry your head in the sand? If so I am disinterested.
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The Unions are irrelevant, their membership reduced, their rights curtailed, and in thirteen years got nothing from Labour other than inclusiveness (something lacking when the Tories are in government).

But what bothers me is that the damning influence you dare to claim the Unions have over a Labour government (but do not) is actually exerted by business no matter what party is in government, and cannot see anything wrong with that ........ why?

There is nothing more scary than power over ones life being in the the hands of corporate business that only recognises the ledger as being of consequence.






I think you have to understand that the Labour Paymasters are Public Sector Unions and they will and do resist any reduction in the size of Big Nanny, however, without such we are stuffed. Understand like yesteryear the bosses of these Unions are not friends of capitalism and are happy to see the State fail in order that their Marxist ideologies get a chance. If you think these Union Bosses are closet Capitalists then you are deluding yourself. Same old 1960s and 70s ideological claptrap about the State being the best provider, this against more that 100 years of evidence to show that it is definitely not and conversely is a danger to our health and welfare.
Unmitigated turgid drivel, forty years out of date why am I not surprised?

I bet you miss Crossroads as well, the sets were almost as wobbly as your logic! ;D
You are at least predictable with your nagging desire to be rude, pity your energies cannot be directed to something useful!
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Oct 31 2014, 09:23 AM
Rubbish. First you deny the existence of our national debt as a problem now you deny that I used the term Public Sector Unions. Is this your style of debate w by ere you just hurry your head in the sand? If so I am disinterested.


First off, I deny the validity of the rhetoric that first tries to establish the burden of the National debt, and secondly the false assertions resulting from these 'lies' that are used to usher in austerity on the masses of low paid workers - who cannot be held accountable for the problems that do exist (though attempts to do so have been made by the ruling class).

Back on topic ........ you withdraw because you are caught out, and refuse to acknowledge your error.
I did think you better than that ..... though I have seen that it is what you have practised before.

Your error in claiming the unions are opposed to capitalism.





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Oct 29 2014, 11:30 AM
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Oct 28 2014, 07:52 PM
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Oct 28 2014, 02:15 PM
The problem that the Tiggers of this world are unable to grasp is that it is NOT all or nothing when it comes to the E.U.
Correct, but what you are utterly incapable of understanding is that is 2014 and not some golden era when Britain ruled the waves and when there was fog in the channel the continent was cut off.

The boot is clearly on the other foot these days and we either join in and co operate or slowly wither on the vine, it really is that simple..........

And GROW UP! ;D
Not true. You have a habit of making up your claims. The UK and USA are growing and the EZ is tanking. Anyone who places the UK's future as only being with the EU is delusional. The USA is a far more important economy to the UK that the EU. Just look how much the UK invests in the USA and vica versa. Just look how much the UK and USA have investment assets outside of the EU and north America, compared to the rest of the EU. At the moment the EZ is on the verge of a third downturn in a row and is putting it's hopes on Germany which has just slide closer to the edge with factor outputs forecasts in rapid decline. That said the rest of the EU Banks are not in as good a shape as those based in the UK and on top of that the ECB has little or know room for manoeuvre. Push the EZ Banks into strengthening their weak balance sheets will not help any economic growth, however, in not doing so will put them at risk when the next chill wind blows and blow it will. Coupled with all of this the EU is losing global market share at an increased rate and soon Germany will find that it's pencils are being made elsewhere.


I agree, but for me the deciding factor is for how much longer will the German populace put up with carrying dead wood? Angela will want to consolidate her position, at the moment I would think that her and her cabinet are not the flavour of the month.
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