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Bad news for Ed.......AND Dave!
Topic Started: Oct 30 2014, 06:50 PM (726 Views)
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An interesting new poll in Scotland (IpsosMori) has SNP on 52%, Labour on 23%, the Tories on 10%, and the Lib Dems at the back of the queue with 6%. If this is translated into Westminster seats, it would mean that the SNP would end up with 54 MP's, and Labour would be reduced to only 4 MP's from north of the border. On first viewing this is good news for the nation, as it reduces the chances of Labour gaining an overall majority; which would be a disaster of biblical proportions. But if the conservatives also fail to gain an overall majority, then it would suggest another coalition parliament. The Lib Dems will be irrelevant, as they face wipe-out come the election. The unknown quantity is UKIP. They MAY achieve the much vaunted breakthrough, and gain a considerable number of MPs, but on the other hand they may simply be a convenient peg for the protest vote, and their support may well collapse as voters return to their traditional parties.

But if the Scottish poll is accurate, then the SNP could find itself in the strange position of actually holding the balance of power at Westminster....and then what? It seems to me that Dave needs to resolve the West Lothian problem very quickly, and neuter the powers of Scottish MPs to have such a stranglehold on English legislation, otherwise we will be in very strange waters indeed.
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Well nothing to do with Freud, who has been largely discredited. Me I tend to prefer the musings of Jung or Erikson, but that is something you wouldn't understand.

Now no slip at all and the repeat of another Tory incompetent government would be quite a disaster for this country of ours.
Utter rubbish, this Gov has been a major disappointment but that is no basis to assume that Labour would have done better, history indicates a lot worse. The most powerful reason to vote Tory is not for their Manifesto, but to deny Labour the opportunity to inflict theirs.
That's your emotions taking control AGAIN.

History shows that the most damaging political party to the UK is the Tory party.
Rubbish that is a matter of opinion not scientific fact. Having experienced every Labour Gov. since ww2 my opinion is that they are best avoided, that said, for democratic reasons I like to see them in Gov from time to time. But not too often and not for too long and certainly not one led by the two Eds.our
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That's your emotions taking control AGAIN.

History shows that the most damaging political party to the UK is the Tory party.

History also shows that people have more in their pockets and pay less tax when the conservative party rules on it's own without being hamstrung by the wooley minded libdems.
The UK has been dominated by Tories for the whole of the 20th century. And for most of that period we had a low income economy. Things did change a little when employers began to understand that the more money workers had in their pockest the more they could/would by things like washing machines etc.


I got a job on 'first off and quality control' in engineering in the late sixties, one of the first comments I remember from that time was that, "engineering is low paid, but it is a job for life".
The first part was true. The peculiar thing is, that company was making an annual profit. Yet it closed down when Thatcher moved the goal posts.
No doubt it was not commercially viable. The days of the State subsidising clapped out companies are long gone get used to it only the fit and healthy survive.
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Oct 31 2014, 04:08 PM


History shows that the most damaging political party to the UK is the Tory party.

Doom & Gloom are what they always promise, always deliver.

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History shows that the most damaging political party to the UK is the Tory party.

Doom & Gloom are what they always promise, always deliver.

Well, I suppose that one could look at it from the other end of the spectrum, yes the conservatives deliver what they promise unlike Labour who only deliver the opposite of what they promise.
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Even if it is incompetent?
Well there are degrees of incompetence and the current Tory one has surpassed anything Labour could achieve in terms of being incompetent.
You are a loan voice Lewis pi55ing in the wind and as usual you offer no evidence to support your claim which we now know is no more than the automatic emotional response brought about by your peculiar medical condition. Despite you thinking otherwise black is not white or vice versa.
More unsubstantiated emotional claptrap, by the boards serial insulter. Largely ignored of course.
Edited by Lewis, Oct 31 2014, 11:40 PM.
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History shows that the most damaging political party to the UK is the Tory party.

Doom & Gloom are what they always promise, always deliver.

Well, I suppose that one could look at it from the other end of the spectrum, yes the conservatives deliver what they promise unlike Labour who only deliver the opposite of what they promise.
Since when have the Tory incompetents ever delivered what they promised? They said that they would be strict on immigration, yet the reality is that it has increased! Likewise on Europe they said that they would be tough yet what we shell out has rocketed.

Yes a complete failure to deliver what they promise.
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History also shows that people have more in their pockets and pay less tax when the conservative party rules on it's own without being hamstrung by the wooley minded libdems.
The UK has been dominated by Tories for the whole of the 20th century. And for most of that period we had a low income economy. Things did change a little when employers began to understand that the more money workers had in their pockest the more they could/would by things like washing machines etc.


I got a job on 'first off and quality control' in engineering in the late sixties, one of the first comments I remember from that time was that, "engineering is low paid, but it is a job for life".
The first part was true. The peculiar thing is, that company was making an annual profit. Yet it closed down when Thatcher moved the goal posts.
No doubt it was not commercially viable. The days of the State subsidising clapped out companies are long gone get used to it only the fit and healthy survive.
Except of course if that company has the word B-A-N-K anywhere in it's title. ;-)
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How many immigrants do you mix with?
My next door neighbour is a Nigerian, my dentist is a Sikh, and my supermarket has immigrants behind the tills. I am an immigrant myself in a technical way, having been born and raised in Pakistan.
Why do you ask?
I wondered how you were forming your opinions. I just don't mix with immigrants so I only get information from news and papers and I have become less trusting of them. Do you find that the immigrants you know exhibit the attitudes you attribute to them?
I think many share my beliefs. Most of our current wars are conflicts about identity, religion and cultutral differences. British India was partitionbed on religious grounds N ireland has their troubles divided by beliefs, Israel and palestine are at each others throats.
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Oct 31 2014, 01:18 PM
If the findings were anywhere near correct your fears would be allayed because the SNP has a policy of not voting on English only matters.
You mean they have NOW.

Don't try to kid me they would not U-Turn that faster than Clegg can say "Tuition Fees" if it meant giving the Tories a kick in the nadgers and the reappearance of the deal that Salmand demanded of Brown in 2010 (who had the honesty and integrity to tell them to shove it)
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How many immigrants do you mix with?
My next door neighbour is a Nigerian, my dentist is a Sikh, and my supermarket has immigrants behind the tills. I am an immigrant myself in a technical way, having been born and raised in Pakistan.
Why do you ask?
I wondered how you were forming your opinions. I just don't mix with immigrants so I only get information from news and papers and I have become less trusting of them. Do you find that the immigrants you know exhibit the attitudes you attribute to them?
The ones I know have all been here since the day idi amin chucked them out ....

They are far more incandescent about the antics of choudhury and his crowd than anyone else I know

(and believe me I know some pretty incandescent people !)

Why are they inclined to think that way ?

"Because every time that arsehole opens his mouth he pisses on our restaurant's turnover". Unquote

Mind you, they are Sunni and the local prize asshole AM and his loudmouth pals are all Shia ...
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History shows that the most damaging political party to the UK is the Tory party.

Doom & Gloom are what they always promise, always deliver.

Well, I suppose that one could look at it from the other end of the spectrum, yes the conservatives deliver what they promise unlike Labour who only deliver the opposite of what they promise.
Since when have the Tory incompetents ever delivered what they promised? They said that they would be strict on immigration, yet the reality is that it has increased! Likewise on Europe they said that they would be tough yet what we shell out has rocketed.

Yes a complete failure to deliver what they promise.
As I said previously, the Cons are hamstrung by the Libdems at present.
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Well, I suppose that one could look at it from the other end of the spectrum, yes the conservatives deliver what they promise unlike Labour who only deliver the opposite of what they promise.
Since when have the Tory incompetents ever delivered what they promised? They said that they would be strict on immigration, yet the reality is that it has increased! Likewise on Europe they said that they would be tough yet what we shell out has rocketed.

Yes a complete failure to deliver what they promise.
As I said previously, the Cons are hamstrung by the Libdems at present.
Rubbish the Lib Dems are nothing more than a bit player in this. If Scammer's tells Cleggie to 'jump', the latter asks 'how high?'.

Do you realise that fees to the EU have gone up more than 4X in the past five years and your Tories were in power for the past four! Same old weasel words from Scammer's, talks tough but acts weak in reality!

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/britain%e2%80%99s-contribution-to-eu-has-risen-by-%c2%a327bn-quadrupling-in-five-years/ar-BBccVD6
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If the findings were anywhere near correct your fears would be allayed because the SNP has a policy of not voting on English only matters.


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You mean they have NOW.
Don't try to kid me they would not U-Turn that faster than Clegg can say "Tuition Fees" if it meant giving the Tories a kick in the nadgers and the reappearance of the deal that Salmand demanded of Brown in 2010 (who had the honesty and integrity to tell them to shove it)


I can assure you the SNP, given the actions of the Unionists in the referendum, would not get into bed with any of them. As for 2010, the party offered to form an alliance of the 'centre left' http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-snp-labour-libdems Brown did not reject the overtures out of honesty or integrity. His sole reason was pure hatred of the SNP which had usurped Labour's fiefdom. As the article states his apoproach was totally different with Plaid Cymru.
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Who cares, just as long as we don't get another Tory incompetent government again.
I expect that you made a Freudian slip and meant to say another Labour incompetent government. Just old habits and indoctrination dying hard.
Well nothing to do with Freud, who has been largely discredited. Me I tend to prefer the musings of Jung or Erikson, but that is something you wouldn't understand.

Now no slip at all and the repeat of another Tory incompetent government would be quite a disaster for this country of ours.
Utter rubbish, this Gov has been a major disappointment but that is no basis to assume that Labour would have done better, history indicates a lot worse. The most powerful reason to vote Tory is not for their Manifesto, but to deny Labour the opportunity to inflict theirs.
The problem is this. The only reason you say they have been a major disappointment is that they have not inflicted enough suffering on the lower class masses to satisfy your blood lust.
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Well nothing to do with Freud, who has been largely discredited. Me I tend to prefer the musings of Jung or Erikson, but that is something you wouldn't understand.

Now no slip at all and the repeat of another Tory incompetent government would be quite a disaster for this country of ours.
Utter rubbish, this Gov has been a major disappointment but that is no basis to assume that Labour would have done better, history indicates a lot worse. The most powerful reason to vote Tory is not for their Manifesto, but to deny Labour the opportunity to inflict theirs.
The problem is this. The only reason you say they have been a major disappointment is that they have not inflicted enough suffering on the lower class masses to satisfy your blood lust.
How very true. Just why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?

As you state a blood lust. To think this disgraceful mob are now running the country, it makes you feel quite sick and fearful for the future!
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Utter rubbish, this Gov has been a major disappointment but that is no basis to assume that Labour would have done better, history indicates a lot worse. The most powerful reason to vote Tory is not for their Manifesto, but to deny Labour the opportunity to inflict theirs.
The problem is this. The only reason you say they have been a major disappointment is that they have not inflicted enough suffering on the lower class masses to satisfy your blood lust.
How very true. Just why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?

As you state a blood lust. To think this disgraceful mob are now running the country, it makes you feel quite sick and fearful for the future!
It may make you sick, but your political exageration of the situation is itself quite nausiating,
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The problem is this. The only reason you say they have been a major disappointment is that they have not inflicted enough suffering on the lower class masses to satisfy your blood lust.
How very true. Just why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?

As you state a blood lust. To think this disgraceful mob are now running the country, it makes you feel quite sick and fearful for the future!
It may make you sick, but your political exageration of the situation is itself quite nausiating,
Yes, I've noticed there is a lot of political exageration on here. (he said, smiling wryly).
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The problem is this. The only reason you say they have been a major disappointment is that they have not inflicted enough suffering on the lower class masses to satisfy your blood lust.
How very true. Just why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?

As you state a blood lust. To think this disgraceful mob are now running the country, it makes you feel quite sick and fearful for the future!
It may make you sick, but your political exageration of the situation is itself quite nausiating,
How a statement comprising the truth can be described as an exaggeration is beyond me.
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How very true. Just why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?

As you state a blood lust. To think this disgraceful mob are now running the country, it makes you feel quite sick and fearful for the future!
It may make you sick, but your political exageration of the situation is itself quite nausiating,
How a statement comprising the truth can be described as an exaggeration is beyond me.
Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
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It may make you sick, but your political exageration of the situation is itself quite nausiating,
How a statement comprising the truth can be described as an exaggeration is beyond me.
Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
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Yes, I've noticed there is a lot of political exageration on here. (he said, smiling wryly).

It would be more difficult to recognise posters if such rhetoric were discontinued. Some have a very colourful way of expressing exaggerated opinion.

I wish I had the talent.

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How a statement comprising the truth can be described as an exaggeration is beyond me.
Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Well it should be easy to find and post an example then. Especially now the search engine is finally working
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Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Well it should be easy to find and post an example then. Especially now the search engine is finally working
Don't worry about trawling for old posts Steve. There will be plenty new ones along.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep"why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Well it should be easy to find and post an example then. Especially now the search engine is finally working
Don't worry about trawling for old posts Steve. There will be plenty new ones along.
Well here's a new post, not that you'll like it

Seems you've been exposed as posting tosh - again
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Well it should be easy to find and post an example then. Especially now the search engine is finally working
Don't worry about trawling for old posts Steve. There will be plenty new ones along.
Well here's a new post, not that you'll like it

Seems you've been exposed as posting tosh - again
You are entitled to your opinion, as others are entitled to theirs.
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How a statement comprising the truth can be described as an exaggeration is beyond me.
Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
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Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
I think you generalise, I do not believe that all leftwing moaners are not charitable, but they never (rarely ever) think about the possible negative effects on jobs of their proposed actions. Take this Mansion Tax, it will do more harm than good, it will collect <£1b, distort markets, be a Lawyers wet dream and on top of that deter some from wanting to live and do business here. For what a miserable <£1b. For what? To satisfy the lust of the spite and envy brigade. Once installed it will not take long to see thresholds change and yet another mechanism for Politicians to extract money (revenues) which it then wastes. Do we really wish to go down the French route a a time when France is trying to follow Sweden and rid themselves of that tar baby. If they were talking of raising £20b or £50b and offsetting this with income tax reductions for the Poor one could sympathise, but they are not, they just want to spend even more and put off tackling gross inefficiency for another day, because they have spent the last 4 years declaring that anyone who dares any reform is by definition "nasty". They used the same lame brain technique with immigration, mention it and you are by definition a "racist". That is how the left works it's way.
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I think you are right about "poor" posters on this board. I expect there aren't many scraping the bottom of the bucket. Neither would I expect many extremely well off either. Both would be occupied with other things. Possibly the same ones. Drinking, drug taking and being general wastrels.

REJ.
I am sure you are right about all the nasty lefties who wouldn't dip into their own pockets to give to deserving causes. I'm certain that many do. I'm not rich by any means, but I'm quite comfy and have enough for my needs with some in reserve. I regularly give to charities, mainly local ones. I give the local hospice a nice cheque at Christmas in lieu of sending christmas cards. I also sell fund raising tickets for them about 3 times a year, (or buy them myself). Never won a cracker. I have no one (family) to leave anything to, so my whole estate, including the house, I have left in my will to a few charities. I also donate on a weekly basis to the Bluebell childrens hospice. Every year, a few of us hold a Macmillan coffee morning. This year it made over £800.

I'm a right nasty selfish lefty bastard me!
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TY.
I think you are right about "poor" posters on this board. I expect there aren't many scraping the bottom of the bucket. Neither would I expect many extremely well off either. Both would be occupied with other things. Possibly the same ones. Drinking, drug taking and being general wastrels.

REJ.
I am sure you are right about all the nasty lefties who wouldn't dip into their own pockets to give to deserving causes. I'm certain that many do. I'm not rich by any means, but I'm quite comfy and have enough for my needs with some in reserve. I regularly give to charities, mainly local ones. I give the local hospice a nice cheque at Christmas in lieu of sending christmas cards. I also sell fund raising tickets for them about 3 times a year, (or buy them myself). Never won a cracker. I have no one (family) to leave anything to, so my whole estate, including the house, I have left in my will to a few charities. I also donate on a weekly basis to the Bluebell childrens hospice. Every year, a few of us hold a Macmillan coffee morning. This year it made over £800.

I'm a right nasty selfish lefty bastard me!
We generalise for effect, and I did , for I get fed up with other posters sweeping generalising about the Conservative party as the nasty mean party, for they are nothing of the sort.
They are by nature objective and do what needs to be done for the longer term future of all of us.and that means taking unpopular decisions and making the hard choices that need to be made,
It is a message the left try to project, for their own political gain and personal satisfaction and to justify their own afiliation and left wing views, but we know that they will have to continue with the same decisions if they get elected., unless of course their political dogma and idealogy gets priority over practical common sense and good house keeping.
Well done to you , and all like you, and I am sure there are many more like you in all political parties,or who vote for all political partiers. Most people are resonable fair minded and charitable in their own rights, as the success of charitable organisations prove.
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We generalise for effect, and I did , for I get fed up with other posters sweeping generalising about the Conservative party as the nasty mean party, for they are nothing of the sort.


I will also admit to making such harsh generalisations, have done.
My Sister and Bro-in-law are Conservatives, and bro would make RJD look moderate, but he is one of the most honest and generous people I have ever known.

Nothing could ever convince him that the Labour Party are not a Tax & Spend Party - not even ten years of Blair when both sustained tax & spend were the lowest since WWII (deficit <3% - tax freedom day late May). Even J Major had a deficit of some 7% GDP (higher than today), and under Mrs T tax freedom day was latest = June 15th.

As for the coalition ........ well one way to reduce the tax burden is to borrow instead - and this coalition has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen.

Still convinced of the need for austerity?




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Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
Silly comment, the balance of wealth in the country is a government responsibility. You have shown as have some others on this board, that any suggestion of wealthier people in society and especially really rich people contributing extra in order to pull the country out of the mire is just a greedy selfish horrendous suggestion made, incidentally, by the least rewarded and most exploited people in society.
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Nov 3 2014, 09:19 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep"why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
Silly comment, the balance of wealth in the country is a government responsibility. You have shown as have some others on this board, that any suggestion of wealthier people in society and especially really rich people contributing extra in order to pull the country out of the mire is just a greedy selfish horrendous suggestion made, incidentally, by the least rewarded and most exploited people in society.
Nobody objects to the fact that those that can pay the Lion's Share and increasingly those that cannot pay much pay nothing, it is the waste that rankles. We could remove the public sector overhang if we had the gonads and cut out the fat of what is a very bloated public sector. Trouble is that every time anyone, a Tory, tries to improve costs and services you get the same predictable ignorant response from the moronic left namely "nasty Party". Unless the left and their political Party, namely Labour, are prepared to address the matter of efficiency within the public sector and ensure sensible and wise investments with our money then they should not be trusted with the purse. Look the two Eds are not trusted with the purse and claiming this is the result of propaganda only compounds the problem. Labour and the left will not face up to the fact that Taxpayers, all of them, whether large payers or small, are sick to death of the waste and/or lack of justification. If you held a referendum on cutting the cost of the Public Sector you would find the vast majority, even those employed there, are for. Nobody in the UK, well at least England, wish to become a copy of Socialist France. The left have run out of ideas and good examples.
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Nov 3 2014, 11:20 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep"why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?"
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
Silly comment, the balance of wealth in the country is a government responsibility. You have shown as have some others on this board, that any suggestion of wealthier people in society and especially really rich people contributing extra in order to pull the country out of the mire is just a greedy selfish horrendous suggestion made, incidentally, by the least rewarded and most exploited people in society.
Nobody objects to the fact that those that can pay the Lion's Share and increasingly those that cannot pay much pay nothing, it is the waste that rankles. We could remove the public sector overhang if we had the gonads and cut out the fat of what is a very bloated public sector. Trouble is that every time anyone, a Tory, tries to improve costs and services you get the same predictable ignorant response from the moronic left namely "nasty Party". Unless the left and their political Party, namely Labour, are prepared to address the matter of efficiency within the public sector and ensure sensible and wise investments with our money then they should not be trusted with the purse. Look the two Eds are not trusted with the purse and claiming this is the result of propaganda only compounds the problem. Labour and the left will not face up to the fact that Taxpayers, all of them, whether large payers or small, are sick to death of the waste and/or lack of justification. If you held a referendum on cutting the cost of the Public Sector you would find the vast majority, even those employed there, are for. Nobody in the UK, well at least England, wish to become a copy of Socialist France. The left have run out of ideas and good examples.
Same old right wing hogwash repeated here, yet again. No change of record by this poster at all. The trash is simply repeated over and over again.
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Nov 3 2014, 08:29 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
Seems quite a lot is beyond you if you can't see that "why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?" is an absurd exaggeration?
I don't think it's an exageration when it's the impression that certain posters on here give in abundance.
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
A very sickly post with doubtless plenty of sincerity, but completely lacking any real compassion and showing traits of neo Victorian retardism.  :(


The now defunct concept of a worthy and unworthy poor is what separates us from say Somalia or Nigeria.
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Nov 3 2014, 11:20 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep"why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?"
Are there any 'poor' poster on this board, or are they all comfortably off within reasonable measures?
What you will see is that the left wing posters , who are for the most part the same reasonably off, always want to improve the life of the 'poor' with other peoples money. not putting their own money where their mouths are.
Perhaps a few pence or pounds into a held out charity bowl just like Milliband to give the right impression and to salve their own consciences and feelings of guilt.

My wife who suffers from Parkinsons disease, and is having diffilculty with her walking, has just finished collecting fo the Children in need by calling at all our neighbourd doors, and beyond, and has raised £84+.
Now that is practical Conservatimm in action, and no wearing of a bleeding heart on her sleeve.
Silly comment, the balance of wealth in the country is a government responsibility. You have shown as have some others on this board, that any suggestion of wealthier people in society and especially really rich people contributing extra in order to pull the country out of the mire is just a greedy selfish horrendous suggestion made, incidentally, by the least rewarded and most exploited people in society.
Nobody objects to the fact that those that can pay the Lion's Share and increasingly those that cannot pay much pay nothing, it is the waste that rankles. We could remove the public sector overhang if we had the gonads and cut out the fat of what is a very bloated public sector. Trouble is that every time anyone, a Tory, tries to improve costs and services you get the same predictable ignorant response from the moronic left namely "nasty Party". Unless the left and their political Party, namely Labour, are prepared to address the matter of efficiency within the public sector and ensure sensible and wise investments with our money then they should not be trusted with the purse. Look the two Eds are not trusted with the purse and claiming this is the result of propaganda only compounds the problem. Labour and the left will not face up to the fact that Taxpayers, all of them, whether large payers or small, are sick to death of the waste and/or lack of justification. If you held a referendum on cutting the cost of the Public Sector you would find the vast majority, even those employed there, are for. Nobody in the UK, well at least England, wish to become a copy of Socialist France. The left have run out of ideas and good examples.
PARAGRAPHS PLEASE! :'(
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Who cares, just as long as we don't get another Tory incompetent government again.
Nothing like a well reasoned response to a debating point...is there, Lewis?
True his post was nothing like a well reasoned response at all ;D
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep"why is it a crime in the eyes of these right whingers, these days to be poor (lowly paid) and down on your luck?"
Silly comment, the balance of wealth in the country is a government responsibility. You have shown as have some others on this board, that any suggestion of wealthier people in society and especially really rich people contributing extra in order to pull the country out of the mire is just a greedy selfish horrendous suggestion made, incidentally, by the least rewarded and most exploited people in society.
Nobody objects to the fact that those that can pay the Lion's Share and increasingly those that cannot pay much pay nothing, it is the waste that rankles. We could remove the public sector overhang if we had the gonads and cut out the fat of what is a very bloated public sector. Trouble is that every time anyone, a Tory, tries to improve costs and services you get the same predictable ignorant response from the moronic left namely "nasty Party". Unless the left and their political Party, namely Labour, are prepared to address the matter of efficiency within the public sector and ensure sensible and wise investments with our money then they should not be trusted with the purse. Look the two Eds are not trusted with the purse and claiming this is the result of propaganda only compounds the problem. Labour and the left will not face up to the fact that Taxpayers, all of them, whether large payers or small, are sick to death of the waste and/or lack of justification. If you held a referendum on cutting the cost of the Public Sector you would find the vast majority, even those employed there, are for. Nobody in the UK, well at least England, wish to become a copy of Socialist France. The left have run out of ideas and good examples.
Same old right wing hogwash repeated here, yet again. No change of record by this poster at all. The trash is simply repeated over and over again.
Have to agree with you, you do keep repeating it :-\
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Nov 6 2014, 10:57 AM

We generalise for effect, and I did , for I get fed up with other posters sweeping generalising about the Conservative party as the nasty mean party, for they are nothing of the sort.


I will also admit to making such harsh generalisations, have done.
My Sister and Bro-in-law are Conservatives, and bro would make RJD look moderate, but he is one of the most honest and generous people I have ever known.

Nothing could ever convince him that the Labour Party are not a Tax & Spend Party - not even ten years of Blair when both sustained tax & spend were the lowest since WWII (deficit <3% - tax freedom day late May). Even J Major had a deficit of some 7% GDP (higher than today), and under Mrs T tax freedom day was latest = June 15th.

As for the coalition ........ well one way to reduce the tax burden is to borrow instead - and this coalition has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen.

Still convinced of the need for austerity?




Yes, until our dept is paid off, and the books are ballanced.
Then there will be a lot more money to be used for the acts of generosiy that you desire. No more interest being paid out, and that, added to the no longer needed repayments of loans, used for social needs. and unforseen eventualities.
I would suggest that responsible people on this board conduct their own lives in exactly that way, payinng off or having paid off their mortguahes and loans, whilst at the same time protecting their own and their decendants welfare and future.

It surpring how ones standards of living, disposable income, and peace of mind is improved when ones mortguage and debts are paid off forever. For most of us , our disposable income gives us our quality of life.
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Nov 6 2014, 10:57 AM

We generalise for effect, and I did , for I get fed up with other posters sweeping generalising about the Conservative party as the nasty mean party, for they are nothing of the sort.


I will also admit to making such harsh generalisations, have done.
My Sister and Bro-in-law are Conservatives, and bro would make RJD look moderate, but he is one of the most honest and generous people I have ever known.

Nothing could ever convince him that the Labour Party are not a Tax & Spend Party - not even ten years of Blair when both sustained tax & spend were the lowest since WWII (deficit <3% - tax freedom day late May). Even J Major had a deficit of some 7% GDP (higher than today), and under Mrs T tax freedom day was latest = June 15th.

As for the coalition ........ well one way to reduce the tax burden is to borrow instead - and this coalition has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen.

Still convinced of the need for austerity?




Yes, until our dept is paid off, and the books are ballanced.
Then there will be a lot more money to be used for the acts of generosiy that you desire. No more interest being paid out, and that, added to the no longer needed repayments of loans, used for social needs. and unforseen eventualities.
I would suggest that responsible people on this board conduct their own lives in exactly that way, payinng off or having paid off their mortguahes and loans, whilst at the same time protecting their own and their decendants welfare and future.

It surpring how ones standards of living, disposable income, and peace of mind is improved when ones mortguage and debts are paid off forever. For most of us , our disposable income gives us our quality of life.
Naive. ;D

We will never be allowed to balance the books and pay off our debts and have a trade surplus because the financial parasites who are made to feel so welcome in Britain would have nothing to do!

Just look at the amount of stick the Hun is getting from your friends in the right wing press for even attempting this!

Edited by Tigger, Nov 7 2014, 07:18 PM.
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Who cares, just as long as we don't get another Tory incompetent government again.
Nothing like a well reasoned response to a debating point...is there, Lewis?
True his post was nothing like a well reasoned response at all ;D
Ah very droll Stanley! Duly disregarded of course. What else do we expect from a lightweight like you though!
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