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| Topic Started: Nov 2 2014, 04:41 PM (1,137 Views) | |
| johnofgwent | Nov 2 2014, 04:41 PM Post #1 |
It .. It is GREEN !!
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I don't believe it. Does Milliband make a career out of "being mister uncomfortable" ? If you thought the bacon sarnie shot was bad, feast your eyes on milliband wishing he didn't have to hand some headscarf wearing beggar 2p ...  |
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| Rich | Nov 10 2014, 09:10 PM Post #81 |
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Perhaps you could name some of the rest of the worlds elites and experts that could be/are role models that our own home grown failures could emulate? |
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| Tigger | Nov 10 2014, 09:22 PM Post #82 |
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But would you listen? The Chinese president is by all accounts a smooth operator, he came up through the ranks and was an engineer before getting into politics, nearer to home Merkel who recently painted Dave into a corner and threw away the paintbrush, a dowdy woman with a dull public persona (that alone would rule her out here) but an apparently skilled and shrewd negotiator, I could reel off several more. The thing is Rich "our people" hate change, real change that affects them, and they constantly drag their heels in the face of a changing World, they would like nothing better than for the World to stop.... |
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| Affa | Nov 10 2014, 09:45 PM Post #83 |
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So bloody to the point! And that intransigence, the obsession with simply repeating the mistakes of the past, is what defines them. (Boom & Bust economics a prime example - they just can't avoid being tied to it). There was a time when they all went to military school, learnt how to kill, and thought it bloody hilarious to go out and get killed ......... they managed to overcome those concepts and learn new ones once, so must do so again. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 10 2014, 09:56 PM Post #84 |
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I meant it to be a serious question however flippant it might have sounded. We already know that persons who have come to this country as self employed workers have successfully claimed housing benefit there are newspaper accounts of the tribunals that allowed the decision. I do not necessarily believe the bollox half of them invent for sums of money but I do take it as read that a newspaper cannot say a tribunal agreed a claimant was entitled when the tribunal ruled the reverse, perhaps one of out many resident europhiles can prove black is white and white is black so I can get them run over on Abbey Road. As to what else they may be entitled to, my reservoir of information is sparse as theonly times I worked abroad I presumed I was getting handed too much in fees or salary to qualify for any sort of benefit and it would piss me off if that were not the case. I do know that poles returning to poland were entitled to receive JSA from BRITAIN and were told by the polish equivalent of the DSS as was to claim it from us, not only because this reduced the burden on Polands economy but because our level of benefot was much higher because our cost of living is. |
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| Marconi | Nov 10 2014, 11:19 PM Post #85 |
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As you point out, in this country too often image overrides substance. Ed has probably been told to have a makeover. The Miranda Kerr look  Edited by Marconi, Nov 11 2014, 04:22 AM.
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| Tigger | Nov 10 2014, 11:33 PM Post #86 |
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Nice tats! 
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| Lewis | Nov 11 2014, 07:55 AM Post #87 |
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They go on about Millipede eating a bacon sarnie. What about this incompetent tosspot eating a hotdog. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborne-fumbles-american-football-4602433 Manners of a Tory pig! |
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| RJD | Nov 11 2014, 08:12 AM Post #88 |
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Very odd as another Newspaper cited the same as an example of the exact opposite. Still when one has to spew yellow bile every morning tone must from time to time get to the dregs. |
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| jaguar | Nov 11 2014, 01:05 PM Post #89 |
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The difference is, Millipede eating a bacon sarnie is being circulated around the World. |
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| Lewis | Nov 11 2014, 07:29 PM Post #90 |
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Yes shows how pathetic they are over this so-called non-news story. Ozzie looked like he was choking on his hotdog. If he did pity the poor paramedic who would have to give him the 'kiss of life' be like making love to Dracula! |
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| Tigger | Nov 11 2014, 08:20 PM Post #91 |
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Is your bile blue by any chance? |
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| Lewis | Nov 11 2014, 10:52 PM Post #92 |
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Must be defined by Clostridium tetanomorphum, the Tory blue bile bug. |
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| Rich | Nov 11 2014, 11:18 PM Post #93 |
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Are you talking from experience? |
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| Lewis | Nov 12 2014, 08:13 AM Post #94 |
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You obviously are Richie Boy! |
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| jaguar | Nov 13 2014, 12:01 PM Post #95 |
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Now it appears David Miliband is refusing to talk about his brother or Labour policy as a precondition to appearing on Newsnight. So whats the point in him appearing on the programme if he can't back his Brother or Labour. |
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| RJD | Nov 13 2014, 03:11 PM Post #96 |
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I really do not know what subjects a Politician should dictate are out of order, unless of course these relate to the marriage bed? |
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| jaguar | Nov 18 2014, 04:54 PM Post #97 |
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Did anyone see Myleene Klass with Ed Miliband on"The Agenda" last night. If he can't hold his own against a z-list "celeb" (who's claim to fame is being in a short lived manufactured pop band 13 years ago) then how on Earth can he hold his own against his political opponents, enemies within his own party, other world leaders and so on. God help him if he ever has to enter dialogue with the likes of putin, merkel, assad, etc. he may become our next PM, and will have to represent us on the international stage, and yet he flounders when confronted by a so called z list celebrity. still want him to be PM? |
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| RJD | Nov 18 2014, 05:01 PM Post #98 |
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I was in bed tucked up and reading, for the first time, a recent translation of "All is quiet on the Western Front". You must admit that the Klass girl is very pleasing to the eye and once trained for a career as a concert pianist. I understand that Milli can only claim he once made coffee and brought the biscuits, paid for out of Taxpayer's money of course, for an erstwhile but now internationally discredited UK PM. Poor Milli what would he have done if faced with the combined intellectual might of the "I am a celeb in an Oz jungle" team. God help us that fool could be the UK's next PM. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 18 2014, 05:05 PM Post #99 |
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I am supposed to be impressed by someone with £11 million in assets and a £2 million a year income bleating about having to pay a few quid in mansion tax. It is she who is an idiot, not Miliband. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 18 2014, 07:12 PM Post #100 |
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more to the point, what is he going on Newsnight FOR if not to talk about politics - which he said he turned his back on - or his brother's cack-handed muddled and befuddled handling of the job the wrong brother got thanks to union power. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 18 2014, 07:18 PM Post #101 |
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Thats what I think. I never heard Ms Klass have a go about the 'bedroom tax' and how' unfair' that was. Funny that. |
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| jaguar | Nov 18 2014, 08:13 PM Post #102 |
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Mylene Klass is not Jeremy Paxman for goodness sake, millionaire or not. It is about how he presents hinself to the world. If he can be shouted down by an ex-member of Hear'Say, what hope does he have of convincing the public about his policies, or standing up for BRITAIN'S interests internationally? That Ed got bested on TV by a B list celeb should be more a cause for great concern than worrying about Klass being a self-made millionaire. |
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| Marconi | Nov 20 2014, 02:27 AM Post #103 |
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Anybody can shout someone else down, there is no skill in that. Klass is not consistent because she did not condemn the Mansion Tax AND the Bedroom Tax. And 2 million will only get you a garage in London? What an idiot she is. It's probably a good idea not to believe the hype in mainstream media, but from comments on social media and forums. She actually lost to Ed. Anyone fancy chipping in to help pay her bills? Edited by Marconi, Nov 20 2014, 04:45 AM.
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| RJD | Nov 20 2014, 07:56 AM Post #104 |
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The stench of envy permeates your posting. Yes she does have a point, there are a lot of old people in London who are now due to house price increases, asset rich and income poor. But we have the Leader of the Brigade of Class Warriors, from Spite-n-envy-ville, proclaiming that these Grannies must be milked to pay for an NHS that is going backwards, or was that a backward NHS? The truth is that the NHS budget is ~£120b and this nasty tax will raise something around £0.5b to £1b. Yep within the accuracy of measurement of the NHS actual spend. If such a paltry sum is going to save the NHS then all I can say is that there ain't much wrong with it. This is an amount that can easily be found from within the existing budget with a modicum of improvement in productivity. Truth is that Milli is appealing to his core voters, the rank and file, the only thing rank is the stench of class envy. For goodness sake Milli go get £20b and tell us what you intend to do with it. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 20 2014, 08:02 AM Post #105 |
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No envy involved RJD, I have NO sympathy for someone with a £2 million a years income bleating about paying £3000 a year mansion tax. As for the asset rich, income poor that can be easily sorted in any legislation with an exemption. |
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| RJD | Nov 20 2014, 08:13 AM Post #106 |
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That is why it stinks of envy. You are only interested in the taking from those you envy and are disinterested in what use, if any, such will be put to. Typical lefty who believes that taking from those that are much better off than themselves and spending this on anything is by definition a good thing. You did not bother to address the justification given for such a tax and that is the point that tells. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 20 2014, 08:23 AM Post #107 |
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There is no envy involved RJD, the bulk of £2million plus houses are not even occupied, they are owned by "companies" usually foreign who are paying no tax in the UK and that alone is pushing up house prices. It HAS to be sorted even Osborne has brought in Mansion Tax light. |
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| RJD | Nov 20 2014, 08:40 AM Post #108 |
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Osborne increased Stamp Duty which is a one off Purchase Tax. A Mansion Tax does not address the issue you consider unacceptable. If you want to inhibit foreign purchasers they ramp up taxes on purchasing. Treat properties owned by companies as a business asset that can attract CGT. But these instruments, which would be effective are not of any interest to the Envy and Spite Brigade. Sorry Mr Smurf this one stinks and the reason you cannot see this is telling. If you wish to inhibit foreign property speculators from speculating on property in London they why are you attacking asset rich income poor OAPs? |
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| papasmurf | Nov 20 2014, 08:44 AM Post #109 |
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RJD, all main political parties now think it is unacceptable, due to the upward slew in house prices it is causing. As for the New Labours modest £3000 a year "mansion tax" on a £2 million property, that quite frank is derisory to the people/companies/foreign gangsters it is aimed at. |
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| RJD | Nov 20 2014, 12:53 PM Post #110 |
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Derisory it is so why apply it? You know why and it is nothing to do with inhibiting speculation and everything to do with envy. |
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| Lewis | Nov 20 2014, 06:35 PM Post #111 |
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What is wrong with envy? It is a perfectly normal human emotion. Rather than be despised by some, it should be recognised that it acts as a motivator, forcing people to get off their fat arses and achieve something. As regards the so-called mansion tax, why not, anything that helps level out the gross unfairness in UK society can only be a good thing. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 20 2014, 06:42 PM Post #112 |
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It is derisory in my opinion. If foreign gangsters want a bolt hole in Britain, make them pay through the nose for it on a regular basis. |
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| RJD | Nov 20 2014, 07:32 PM Post #113 |
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I do not mind people having envy, just dislike it when they dress it up as altruism. Nothing wrong in seeking a greater degree of fairness either, but the so called Mansion Tax is bugger all to do with that. If you want to redress the unfairness in our society then stop p155ing around with trivialities and tell us how you are going to shift £20b PA, every year, from the top to the bottom, in a sustainable manner without a significant detrimental impact on the economy. Go for it, tell us how to do it? |
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| RJD | Nov 20 2014, 07:34 PM Post #114 |
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If you wish to achieve such then why do you wish to penalise others when there are much better tools at your disposal? could it be that in reality the desire is based in envy? |
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| papasmurf | Nov 20 2014, 07:50 PM Post #115 |
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Change the record RJD, there is no envy on my part involved. |
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| Affa | Nov 20 2014, 08:40 PM Post #116 |
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The Mainstream have been winning by spinning for ages now ...... just maybe their time as winners is coming to an end. |
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| Tigger | Nov 20 2014, 08:59 PM Post #117 |
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The biggest plus you can have in modern Britain is not to have genuine talent or a desire to work hard and better yourself but to be gifted property, you can be stupid, ignorant, antisocial or downright lazy and property ownership will paper over all these faults. A mansion tax is not only fair but is the rightful undermining of the above, and owning a "mansion" myself I have no problem with it. |
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