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Prosperous Britain.
Topic Started: Nov 3 2014, 11:02 AM (3,371 Views)
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Britain is the most prosperous of the big economies in the European Union, a major report finds today, but is still behind countries like Switzerland and Norway which chose not to join the bloc. Legatum Institute's 2014 Prosperity Index reveals Norway as the most prosperous country in the world, with Switzerland at number two in the list.


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The UK is ranked at number 13, three places higher than last year's index, and one spot ahead of Germany. France came 21st in the list, Spain 26th and Italy 37th, while Russia is the worst performing country in Europe, falling seven places to 68th.


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The survey also found that the UK is a world-leader for entrepreneurship, coming 8th in the list, and that British people are some of the most charitable.
The study shows It found 74 per cent of Brits donate to charity, the 4th highest in the index, compared to just 42 per cent in Germany and 26 per cent in France.


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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
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Nov 29 2014, 02:54 PM
During the boom years an NL looking the other way Bankers creamed it in, today their bonuses are only a fraction of what it once was. In fact bashing Bankers is the favourite pastime of the left in order that they can deflect criticism of their tribe in Gov. Bashing Bankers has run it's course and is now no longer productive, but it was a helpful smoke-screne whilst it lasted.



Are you real?
The Bankers have gotten off light, have escaped largely unharmed.
The smoke screen they hid behind was put up to blame Gordon Brown for what they did ....... and that still hasn't run its final course.
Now compare to the 'bashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
UTTER DRIVEL!

The so called stress tests means they now have to hold around 6% in reserve as opposed to around 4% before, in addition RBS admitted earlier this week that it had not been especially truthful in it's own stress test procedure! The crap Tories have still forced the separation of high street banking from risky investment banking and a report on the fines issued to HSBC for libor rigging despite running to 40 pages do not mention senior management at the bank once! This despite the fact the current HSBC boss was head of foreign exchange at the time the fraud was taking place.

Source, a satirical magazine. ;-)
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Nov 29 2014, 03:12 PM
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Nov 29 2014, 03:02 PM
RJD
Nov 29 2014, 02:54 PM
During the boom years an NL looking the other way Bankers creamed it in, today their bonuses are only a fraction of what it once was. In fact bashing Bankers is the favourite pastime of the left in order that they can deflect criticism of their tribe in Gov. Bashing Bankers has run it's course and is now no longer productive, but it was a helpful smoke-screne whilst it lasted.



Are you real?
The Bankers have gotten off light, have escaped largely unharmed.
The smoke screen they hid behind was put up to blame Gordon Brown for what they did ....... and that still hasn't run its final course.
Now compare to the 'bashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
UTTER DRIVEL!

The so called stress tests means they now have to hold around 6% in reserve as opposed to around 4% before, in addition RBS admitted earlier this week that it had not been especially truthful in it's own stress test procedure! The crap Tories have still not forced the separation of high street banking from risky investment banking, and a report on the fines issued to HSBC for libor rigging despite running to 40 pages do not mention senior management at the bank once! This despite the fact the current HSBC boss was head of foreign exchange at the time the fraud was taking place.

Source, a satirical magazine. ;-)
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Nov 29 2014, 03:12 PM
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RJD
Nov 29 2014, 02:54 PM
During the boom years an NL looking the other way Bankers creamed it in, today their bonuses are only a fraction of what it once was. In fact bashing Bankers is the favourite pastime of the left in order that they can deflect criticism of their tribe in Gov. Bashing Bankers has run it's course and is now no longer productive, but it was a helpful smoke-screne whilst it lasted.



Are you real?
The Bankers have gotten off light, have escaped largely unharmed.
The smoke screen they hid behind was put up to blame Gordon Brown for what they did ....... and that still hasn't run its final course.
Now compare to the 'bashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
The changes have been made because of the meltdown and Brown did not cause the meltdown. Confusing issues is the trade mark of your posts.
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Nov 29 2014, 02:54 PM
During the boom years an NL looking the other way Bankers creamed it in, today their bonuses are only a fraction of what it once was. In fact bashing Bankers is the favourite pastime of the left in order that they can deflect criticism of their tribe in Gov. Bashing Bankers has run it's course and is now no longer productive, but it was a helpful smoke-screne whilst it lasted.



Are you real?
The Bankers have gotten off light, have escaped largely unharmed.
The smoke screen they hid behind was put up to blame Gordon Brown for what they did ....... and that still hasn't run its final course.
Now compare to the 'bashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
The financial crisis was caused by the bankers. Not NL. We (the pleb majority that is) are paying for their miscreant ways via cuts to public services. Anyone with eyes and ears can work this simple fact out.

Sure you can obfuscate and throw out NL connections with bankers and they're probably at least half right. All but the simple minded can see through this BS. But the bigoted lap it up.
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Nov 29 2014, 06:28 PM
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Nov 29 2014, 03:02 PM
RJD
Nov 29 2014, 02:54 PM
During the boom years an NL looking the other way Bankers creamed it in, today their bonuses are only a fraction of what it once was. In fact bashing Bankers is the favourite pastime of the left in order that they can deflect criticism of their tribe in Gov. Bashing Bankers has run it's course and is now no longer productive, but it was a helpful smoke-screne whilst it lasted.



Are you real?
The Bankers have gotten off light, have escaped largely unharmed.
The smoke screen they hid behind was put up to blame Gordon Brown for what they did ....... and that still hasn't run its final course.
Now compare to the 'bashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
The financial crisis was caused by the bankers. Not NL. We (the pleb majority that is) are paying for their miscreant ways via cuts to public services. Anyone with eyes and ears can work this simple fact out.

Sure you can obfuscate and throw out NL connections with bankers and they're probably at least half right. All but the simple minded can see through this BS. But the bigoted lap it up.
You fail to recognise that the UK Banks pumped up their asset values on the basis of a green light given by a NL Gov. You fail to understand and accept that it is the Gov. responsibility, nay duty, to protect the population from such uncontrolled risk taking. You fail to understand that the stupidity of the day was that Brown and his henchmen namely Milliband and Balls, crowed that Boom and Bust had been cured for all time and went ahead to expand. rapidly expand, the cost of the State on the back of what turned out to be no more than a predictable bubble. Until the left can understand what they did then they are not fit to run the economy. All the white-wash is boring and deludes nobody but the Painters.
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Nov 29 2014, 03:02 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
The financial crisis was caused by the bankers. Not NL. We (the pleb majority that is) are paying for their miscreant ways via cuts to public services. Anyone with eyes and ears can work this simple fact out.

Sure you can obfuscate and throw out NL connections with bankers and they're probably at least half right. All but the simple minded can see through this BS. But the bigoted lap it up.
You fail to recognise that the UK Banks pumped up their asset values on the basis of a green light given by a NL Gov. You fail to understand and accept that it is the Gov. responsibility, nay duty, to protect the population from such uncontrolled risk taking. You fail to understand that the stupidity of the day was that Brown and his henchmen namely Milliband and Balls, crowed that Boom and Bust had been cured for all time and went ahead to expand. rapidly expand, the cost of the State on the back of what turned out to be no more than a predictable bubble. Until the left can understand what they did then they are not fit to run the economy. All the white-wash is boring and deludes nobody but the Painters.
There was no green light. The economy enjoyed its hayride in the belief that the Deregulation, Financial Services, Free Market Economy installed by the Thatcher government had matured into a new way of earning a living. That's why NL invited Thatcher to number 10.

No one foresaw the toxic debts from the misselling of Sub-Prime mortgages in the US being slipped into the international financial markets via Wall Street. The Banks across the Western economies must take some of the blame because no one bothered to check the packages that contained the toxic debts and were being sold on the international markets, it seems they were just too interested in the thickness of their wallets.

Only an idiot would attempt to stretch the end of Boom and Bust to include controlling international Boom and Bust. Your bias continues to override what little bit of logic you own.
Edited by C-too, Nov 30 2014, 09:29 AM.
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Delude yourself if you wish C2 I am tired and no longer interested in wasting my precious time with your nonsense. The settled informed and uninformed opinion is with me, not you. In case you have forgotten Balls did design the tri-partite Regulatory system, had such imposed, it was untested and yes when required it did fail. Yes Brown said absolute nothing about the ballooning of British Bank's assets or their nature as he and his Agents were looking in the other direction. Yes NL did pump up the cost of the State, much of it pure waste, on the back of a bubble with the firm belief, against the expectation of history, that it would never burst. Sort of reminds me of that other stupid 20th C. claim about a 1,000 year Reich, Brown had his 1,000 year bubble. Today the vast majority of our economic difficulties are due to the very stupid mistake based on false hubris. If you cannot see the truth of this then you are but a Labour Tribalist with nothing of interest to offer.

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Delude yourself if you wish C2 I am tired and no longer interested in wasting my precious time with your nonsense. The settled informed and uninformed opinion is with me, not you. In case you have forgotten Balls did design the tri-partite Regulatory system, had such imposed, it was untested and yes when required it did fail. Yes Brown said absolute nothing about the ballooning of British Bank's assets or their nature as he and his Agents were looking in the other direction. Yes NL did pump up the cost of the State, much of it pure waste, on the back of a bubble with the firm belief, against the expectation of history, that it would never burst. Sort of reminds me of that other stupid 20th C. claim about a 1,000 year Reich, Brown had his 1,000 year bubble. Today the vast majority of our economic difficulties are due to the very stupid mistake based on false hubris. If you cannot see the truth of this then you are but a Labour Tribalist with nothing of interest to offer.

The settled biased opinion is with you.

You ignore the fact that the meltdown screwed the economies across the Western world and is now having a knock-on effect across the rest of the world. Ed Balls did not have the power to accomplish such an effect.

Free yourself from your bias and open your mind, you will benefit from it in the end. :)
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Nov 30 2014, 09:00 AM
There was no green light. The economy enjoyed its hayride in the belief that the Deregulation, Financial Services, Free Market Economy installed by the Thatcher government had matured into a new way of earning a living. That's why NL invited Thatcher to number 10.

Bang on! /8/

Metal bashing was old hat and shuffling other peoples money would create a dynamic economy, we were treated prior to the 1997 GE to the rather nauseating sight of both main parties sucking up to the City, a huge mistake which sadly continues to this very day..
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Delude yourself if you wish C2 I am tired and no longer interested in wasting my precious time with your nonsense. The settled informed and uninformed opinion is with me, not you. In case you have forgotten Balls did design the tri-partite Regulatory system, had such imposed, it was untested and yes when required it did fail. Yes Brown said absolute nothing about the ballooning of British Bank's assets or their nature as he and his Agents were looking in the other direction. Yes NL did pump up the cost of the State, much of it pure waste, on the back of a bubble with the firm belief, against the expectation of history, that it would never burst. Sort of reminds me of that other stupid 20th C. claim about a 1,000 year Reich, Brown had his 1,000 year bubble. Today the vast majority of our economic difficulties are due to the very stupid mistake based on false hubris. If you cannot see the truth of this then you are but a Labour Tribalist with nothing of interest to offer.

This poster seems to be suffering much confusion and is having trouble doing a then and now comparison.

The present government has gone well beyond the call of duty and re capitalized the banks with few caveats, has barely punished in a meaningful way serious transgressions committed AFTER the crash, is using taxpayers money to pump up yet another unsustainable housing bubble and pretends that buying a recovery with debt is a good idea.

If anyone can find the book entitled "How to fuck up an economy and influence people" that appears to have been circulating in Westminster for the past three decades, get rid of it please..........
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The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be.

I don't for a moment imagine the Bankers are stupid enough to have put their own sector back in jeopardy by continuing to practice as they were. Even with self regulation it would be silly to think 'nothing in the system has changed'. Of course they have changed, they had to for survival, but has the'culture' changed? That is what is needed most, regulations on their own are not enough to prevent crooks finding ways to bi-pass them .......... the culture in Banking changed with the Big Bang changes - that old culture, the one that had integrity, needs to return. Until a number of those at the top that escaped conviction this time are tried and sentenced then this bad culture will remain, does remain. ....... maybe next time, eh?




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During the boom years an NL looking the other way Bankers creamed it in, today their bonuses are only a fraction of what it once was.

Bonus payments are ostensibly there to reflect performance. Prior to the crisis the banks were doing very well, making lots of money, and of course the bonus payouts reflected this success (even as we discover it was false accounting) - would it be prudent for bankers struggling to make a profit to pay themselves such huge bonuses today. Even though their efforts in staving off bankruptcy may well deserve such rewards.

What I highlight here is that 'crime does pay' ........ 'pays a lot better than hard work does'.

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It might have a positive influence on immigration to this country,if some of the pic's depicting poverty in this country were widely distributed to the world's national newspapers & used as front page headlines everyday for a year or two.
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Nov 29 2014, 03:02 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production' out of that THIRTY years after their humiliating defeat.
Oh Dear RJD; you should think before posting.



I did. The fact that Brown cast the die back in 2008 and now the majority of those who were at the helm at that time have now gone is sufficient. The regulatory authority has changed, the system has changed, there is less risk today than 4 years ago and the UK has done well in recent stress tests. Of course there is more to do, there always will be. But I note that the two Eds are still in place and one of them, the fatter one, was the architect of past regulatory failure. Why is he still on the Opposition front bench, if he was a Banker he would have, quiet rightly, been hounded out.

The Trade Unions were castigated for their dreadful anarchistic performance in the 1960s and 70s. They are today less relevant however the Neanderthals in the Public Sector Unions are still with us.
The financial crisis was caused by the bankers. Not NL. We (the pleb majority that is) are paying for their miscreant ways via cuts to public services. Anyone with eyes and ears can work this simple fact out.

Sure you can obfuscate and throw out NL connections with bankers and they're probably at least half right. All but the simple minded can see through this BS. But the bigoted lap it up.
You fail to recognise that the UK Banks pumped up their asset values on the basis of a green light given by a NL Gov. You fail to understand and accept that it is the Gov. responsibility, nay duty, to protect the population from such uncontrolled risk taking. You fail to understand that the stupidity of the day was that Brown and his henchmen namely Milliband and Balls, crowed that Boom and Bust had been cured for all time and went ahead to expand. rapidly expand, the cost of the State on the back of what turned out to be no more than a predictable bubble. Until the left can understand what they did then they are not fit to run the economy. All the white-wash is boring and deludes nobody but the Painters.
No, what I failed to recognise was I was debating with a blinkered right wing rhetoric machine.

All your pontificating and blustering attempts to deflect blame from the bankers onto NL. I understand your reasoning behind this as your glorious leaders have steered you in this direction. It's been their excuse for every cut to public services since 2010.

Now, go back and read up on the financial crisis and the reasons for the crash. If after doing so you still claim the primary culprits were NL and not the banks then you're an either an idiot or a bigot.
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Delude yourself if you wish C2 I am tired and no longer interested in wasting my precious time with your nonsense. The settled informed and uninformed opinion is with me, not you. In case you have forgotten Balls did design the tri-partite Regulatory system, had such imposed, it was untested and yes when required it did fail. Yes Brown said absolute nothing about the ballooning of British Bank's assets or their nature as he and his Agents were looking in the other direction. Yes NL did pump up the cost of the State, much of it pure waste, on the back of a bubble with the firm belief, against the expectation of history, that it would never burst. Sort of reminds me of that other stupid 20th C. claim about a 1,000 year Reich, Brown had his 1,000 year bubble. Today the vast majority of our economic difficulties are due to the very stupid mistake based on false hubris. If you cannot see the truth of this then you are but a Labour Tribalist with nothing of interest to offer.

The often repeated missive and propaganda from Tory Central Office. I wish this poster from Tory Central Office would see the error of his ways before it is too late. There again it may well be too late for him and us.
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The often repeated missive and propaganda from Tory Central Office. I wish this poster from Tory Central Office would see the error of his ways before it is too late. There again it may well be too late for him and us.

The thing is that by not recognising (publicly) what went wrong how can they be expected or trusted to get it right? As told, the whole thing has been used to usher in austerity measures (for ideological reasons) and the burden put where it does not belong and ultimately where it cannot resolve the economic difficulties - Austerity measures hinder growth, and without growth there is no recovery.

The press should be telling it as it is ..... their claim to be left free from political interference when resisting regulations is mere BS when their main function is as part of the State's ability to control public opinion and keep order in society.



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Nov 29 2014, 03:12 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbashing' of Trade Unions ....... Tories are still trying to get 'production
The financial crisis was caused by the bankers. Not NL. We (the pleb majority that is) are paying for their miscreant ways via cuts to public services. Anyone with eyes and ears can work this simple fact out.

Sure you can obfuscate and throw out NL connections with bankers and they're probably at least half right. All but the simple minded can see through this BS. But the bigoted lap it up.
You fail to recognise that the UK Banks pumped up their asset values on the basis of a green light given by a NL Gov. You fail to understand and accept that it is the Gov. responsibility, nay duty, to protect the population from such uncontrolled risk taking. You fail to understand that the stupidity of the day was that Brown and his henchmen namely Milliband and Balls, crowed that Boom and Bust had been cured for all time and went ahead to expand. rapidly expand, the cost of the State on the back of what turned out to be no more than a predictable bubble. Until the left can understand what they did then they are not fit to run the economy. All the white-wash is boring and deludes nobody but the Painters.
No, what I failed to recognise was I was debating with a blinkered right wing rhetoric machine.

All your pontificating and blustering attempts to deflect blame from the bankers onto NL. I understand your reasoning behind this as your glorious leaders have steered you in this direction. It's been their excuse for every cut to public services since 2010.

Now, go back and read up on the financial crisis and the reasons for the crash. If after doing so you still claim the primary culprits were NL and not the banks then you're an either an idiot or a bigot.
Liar. You know I have never claimed that NL were the primary culprits nor have I ever said that they alone were responsible. A few years ago after ~3 months of your continued delusional lefty propaganda, in a moment of weakness when you allowed the facts to enter your thoughts, you agreed that NL were culpable and you put this as Bankers:NL 80:20 I demurred thinking it nearer 60:40. I wonder why you have chosen to go back into self delusion mode? GE looming is it? Labour out with the Red Nag myths again?
Clearly as the two Eds are still in place and put up as the Great Helmsmen of the nation it would be a mistake to admit that they were part of the recent great NL mistake. Yes I know they were NL then and are just Labour now. What BS.


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I would like to know what "prosperous Britain?"
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I would like to know what "prosperous Britain?"
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Liar. You know I have never claimed that NL were the primary culprits nor have I ever said that they alone were responsible. .........


Labour have agreed that it was a failure of their regularity powers and organisation (FSA) to properly ensure the FS sector were behaving legitimately and ethically correct.

So why add this?

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......... Clearly as the two Eds are still in place and put up as the Great Helmsmen of the nation it would be a mistake to admit that they were part of the recent great NL mistake. Yes I know they were NL then and are just Labour now. What BS.



The BS would be to suggest that no lessons were learnt, or that those made culpable before would not be more diligent than others who because they have no culpability wrongly assume they are the more stringent.

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I would like to know what "prosperous Britain?"
Is yours an absolute or relative measure? If the latter then take a good look around Europe, if the former well you say it's your Yardstick.
Relatively speaking the UK is a prosperous nation and it is also, relatively speaking, exceedingly generous. This may not be true of pockets of population in Cornwall which I gather are dropping dead like flies in a Butcher trap.

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Is yours an absolute or relative measure?
RJD just who in Britain is prosperous? When effectively many millions of peoples incomes are falling.

http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2014/gb2014_ch6.pdf

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• Average living standards have fallen dramatically since the recession, as income growth has failed to keep pace with the rate of inflation. Our projections suggest that real median household income in 2013–14 is more than 6% below its pre-crisis peak. This fall in average incomes has largely been driven by declines in real earnings.






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Is yours an absolute or relative measure?
RJD just who in Britain is prosperous? When effectively many millions of peoples incomes are falling.

http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2014/gb2014_ch6.pdf

Summary
• Average living standards have fallen dramatically since the recession, as income growth has failed to keep pace with the rate of inflation. Our projections suggest that real median household income in 2013–14 is more than 6% below its pre-crisis peak. This fall in average incomes has largely been driven by declines in real earnings.






I think my answer was succinct. It is a relative matter and whilst those with poor educations and limited skills have not been able to protect themselves, those with have and those with capital have done even better. If things are so bad in the UK then I wonder why so many French, Italians and Spaniards have come for work over the last 12 months? It's all relative and you are relatively better off in the UK than many many other countries, especially if you want support from the State. Income poverty must not be confused with Household poverty they are not one and the same as one must take into consideration the credits/benefits provided by the State.
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I think my answer was succinct. It is a relative matter and whilst those with poor educations and limited skills have not been able to protect themselves,
RJD, the numbers whose incomes have in effect fallen goes well beyond that narrow definition:-

http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/entry/the-real-britain-index-a-more-accurate-measure-of-living-standards


There has been a general decline in real incomes – although we note here that the data is not detailed enough to capture what has happened to the top 1% and 0.1%. It is those in the “squeezed middle” who have suffered the worst impact, with those in the 60-70% group earning an average of (pre-tax) £33,712 experiencing a fall in real income by 10.6% since 2006.

Breaking the figures down further reveals some disturbing trends. While real incomes held up comparatively well in the two years following the crash, the years since 2010 have seen a marked turn for the worse. This downward pressure has not been applied evenly: in the last year for which we have data, 2012/13, the real incomes of top 10% actually increased by 3.9%. Those in our 60-70% band fell 1.8%. But those in the very lowest group, the 0-10%, saw their already meagre earnings drop an extraordinary 15% in a single year – driven largely, it would seem, by welfare and benefits changes.

This analysis has troubling implications. The UK is rapidly becoming a more unequal country, with the inflation effect exaggerating and speeding up this transformation. It’s also a transformation barely hinted at by official measures of inflation.
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You fail to recognise that the UK Banks pumped up their asset values on the basis of a green light given by a NL Gov. You fail to understand and accept that it is the Gov. responsibility, nay duty, to protect the population from such uncontrolled risk taking. You fail to understand that the stupidity of the day was that Brown and his henchmen namely Milliband and Balls, crowed that Boom and Bust had been cured for all time and went ahead to expand. rapidly expand, the cost of the State on the back of what turned out to be no more than a predictable bubble. Until the left can understand what they did then they are not fit to run the economy. All the white-wash is boring and deludes nobody but the Painters.
No, what I failed to recognise was I was debating with a blinkered right wing rhetoric machine.

All your pontificating and blustering attempts to deflect blame from the bankers onto NL. I understand your reasoning behind this as your glorious leaders have steered you in this direction. It's been their excuse for every cut to public services since 2010.

Now, go back and read up on the financial crisis and the reasons for the crash. If after doing so you still claim the primary culprits were NL and not the banks then you're an either an idiot or a bigot.
Liar. You know I have never claimed that NL were the primary culprits nor have I ever said that they alone were responsible. A few years ago after ~3 months of your continued delusional lefty propaganda, in a moment of weakness when you allowed the facts to enter your thoughts, you agreed that NL were culpable and you put this as Bankers:NL 80:20 I demurred thinking it nearer 60:40. I wonder why you have chosen to go back into self delusion mode? GE looming is it? Labour out with the Red Nag myths again?
Clearly as the two Eds are still in place and put up as the Great Helmsmen of the nation it would be a mistake to admit that they were part of the recent great NL mistake. Yes I know they were NL then and are just Labour now. What BS.


Being labelled a liar by you is a compliment. Thank you.

Now, stop writing your pro Tory propaganda shit that implies the financial mess was all NL's fault. It's tedious, boring and insulting to those of us who can think for ourselves.

Your point about proportioning blame: 80% to 20% I did state, that's 4 times as much to blame for the banks for this mess (and they continue unabated since 2008 despite your incorrect claims otherwise) than NL indicates to those who are at least marginally unbiased that the bankers were/are the main culprits. You suggest 60:40 but that can be dismissed for the crap that it is. I'd even go so far as 90% to 10% if not further. NL didn't stop the bankers from screwing us, they rode the wave - but then they would - NL's cabinet were effectively left wing Tories with Tony Blair a fully fledged Tory boy who wouldn't be out of place amongst Gideon and call me Dave.

So once again you take a half truth and present it as an excuse to blame everyone from NL, unions, socialists and probably even the Pope (if you could figure out how) for the UK's financial difficulties.

The truth is right there in front of your face but as a true blinkered bigot would, you ignore it. Shame on you. Live with your lie and cease from your idiocy.


By the way. I believe you owe me an apology over the Mitchell pleb affair. You got the balls to offer one? :)
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Being a private sector employee on a government contract I would like to say that the government doesn't create jobs and those who say that they do are being disingenuous.

Being entirely honest it is simply redistribution and I am at least honest enough to admit it being a reciepient of this redistribution.

It doesn't mean that these jobs are not important and do not benifit people but they are all paid for by JOBS that generate wealth that can be taxed. Taxing firms that hold government contracts on their profits is, once a gain, merely a form of redistribution.
Capitalist corporation and entrepreneur-friendly governments certainly do not create jobs. Socialist governments do.
Yes they do.............remember them?

Walking co-ordinator
Cheerleading development officer
Future shape programme manager
Nuclear free local authorities policy officer

There are many more with equally ridiculous titles, they were called
NON JOBS.
I would agree with the last statement, however with all of the various opportunities that are out there that people can work alongside their jobs and build something for their futures, I think people's mindsets are the thing that hold them back. The reason why the government has got so much control through taxation is because most people do not see the value in being an entrepreneur. Therefore the majority of people just feed the system. Life is about choices, but not all choices are the best ones.

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When I lived down South, our Council employed a nappy coordinator on £26,000 pa, and that was about 10 years ago.
Who uses nappies in this day and age.
No wonder the NHS needs £billions more to keep it going with or those NON-JOBS, but we did have a Labour government spending our money like it was going out of fashion.
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Britain is the most prosperous of the big economies in the European Union, a major report finds today, but is still behind countries like Switzerland and Norway which chose not to join the bloc. Legatum Institute's 2014 Prosperity Index reveals Norway as the most prosperous country in the world, with Switzerland at number two in the list.


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The UK is ranked at number 13, three places higher than last year's index, and one spot ahead of Germany. France came 21st in the list, Spain 26th and Italy 37th, while Russia is the worst performing country in Europe, falling seven places to 68th.


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The survey also found that the UK is a world-leader for entrepreneurship, coming 8th in the list, and that British people are some of the most charitable.
The study shows It found 74 per cent of Brits donate to charity, the 4th highest in the index, compared to just 42 per cent in Germany and 26 per cent in France.


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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
Yawn even more fawning right wing Tory propaganda. The drone from Tory Central Office seems to be working overtime lately.

File in the bin where it rightfully belongs.
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Britain is the most prosperous of the big economies in the European Union, a major report finds today, but is still behind countries like Switzerland and Norway which chose not to join the bloc. Legatum Institute's 2014 Prosperity Index reveals Norway as the most prosperous country in the world, with Switzerland at number two in the list.


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The UK is ranked at number 13, three places higher than last year's index, and one spot ahead of Germany. France came 21st in the list, Spain 26th and Italy 37th, while Russia is the worst performing country in Europe, falling seven places to 68th.


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The survey also found that the UK is a world-leader for entrepreneurship, coming 8th in the list, and that British people are some of the most charitable.
The study shows It found 74 per cent of Brits donate to charity, the 4th highest in the index, compared to just 42 per cent in Germany and 26 per cent in France.


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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
Yawn even more fawning right wing Tory propaganda. The drone from Tory Central Office seems to be working overtime lately.

File in the bin where it rightfully belongs.
File under "la la la I'm not listening".
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Britain is the most prosperous of the big economies in the European Union, a major report finds today, but is still behind countries like Switzerland and Norway which chose not to join the bloc. Legatum Institute's 2014 Prosperity Index reveals Norway as the most prosperous country in the world, with Switzerland at number two in the list.


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The UK is ranked at number 13, three places higher than last year's index, and one spot ahead of Germany. France came 21st in the list, Spain 26th and Italy 37th, while Russia is the worst performing country in Europe, falling seven places to 68th.


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The survey also found that the UK is a world-leader for entrepreneurship, coming 8th in the list, and that British people are some of the most charitable.
The study shows It found 74 per cent of Brits donate to charity, the 4th highest in the index, compared to just 42 per cent in Germany and 26 per cent in France.


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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
Yawn even more fawning right wing Tory propaganda. The drone from Tory Central Office seems to be working overtime lately.

File in the bin where it rightfully belongs.
Clearly you have an adverse emotional reaction to facts. Not sure what the syndrome is today, but when I was a lad such were called dunces.

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Britain is the most prosperous of the big economies in the European Union, a major report finds today, but is still behind countries like Switzerland and Norway which chose not to join the bloc. Legatum Institute's 2014 Prosperity Index reveals Norway as the most prosperous country in the world, with Switzerland at number two in the list.


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The UK is ranked at number 13, three places higher than last year's index, and one spot ahead of Germany. France came 21st in the list, Spain 26th and Italy 37th, while Russia is the worst performing country in Europe, falling seven places to 68th.


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The survey also found that the UK is a world-leader for entrepreneurship, coming 8th in the list, and that British people are some of the most charitable.
The study shows It found 74 per cent of Brits donate to charity, the 4th highest in the index, compared to just 42 per cent in Germany and 26 per cent in France.


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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
Yawn even more fawning right wing Tory propaganda. The drone from Tory Central Office seems to be working overtime lately.

File in the bin where it rightfully belongs.
Clearly you have an adverse emotional reaction to facts. Not sure what the syndrome is today, but when I was a lad such were called dunces.

I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
Yawn even more fawning right wing Tory propaganda. The drone from Tory Central Office seems to be working overtime lately.

File in the bin where it rightfully belongs.
Clearly you have an adverse emotional reaction to facts. Not sure what the syndrome is today, but when I was a lad such were called dunces.

I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
What about left wing propoganda dressed up as facts?
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Those earning $25,000 (£15,643) a year in the UK take home 88.22pc of their wages, compared to the average of 82.17pc in Western Europe.


Not such a bad sh1t-hole relatively speaking. Considering we are not in the EZ with all it's ongoing problems that have, seemingly, no solution, the UK is well placed as a modern mature democracy.
Yawn even more fawning right wing Tory propaganda. The drone from Tory Central Office seems to be working overtime lately.

File in the bin where it rightfully belongs.
Clearly you have an adverse emotional reaction to facts. Not sure what the syndrome is today, but when I was a lad such were called dunces.

I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
Somehow you came about your opinions, as you claim to be educated then I assume you did not find them in a Fortune Cookie but that they are based on some evidence. Therefore please share the information in order that we can come to the same conclusions. I think that, if you bother, you will find that the list maker provided the basis for his assessments.



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Clearly you have an adverse emotional reaction to facts. Not sure what the syndrome is today, but when I was a lad such were called dunces.

I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
What about left wing propoganda dressed up as facts?
Oh dear, don't you know that lefty-speak is the truth by definition and that those who argue against only use biased propaganda? In order that you can gain some clarity the Gov. from 1997 to 2010 was not a Labour Gov., it was New Labour and was infiltrated by the enemy of the working classes, whoever they are. Notice how the staunch supporters of NL have distanced themselves and refer to the current lot as Labour. What's in a name as it comprises the same bunch of fools.



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When I lived down South, our Council employed a nappy coordinator on £26,000 pa, and that was about 10 years ago.
This has got to be made up surely? ;D

Was it in a right wing newspaper by any chance? They can be quite a stroppy lot dahn sarf so you'll have to forgive my disbelief here.

PS, not heard any stories yet about Muslims or asylum seekers moaning about Christmas decorations, not too late though!

It's true! ;D

Although the headline is highly misleading as you might expect this is a post that is to do with reducing waste in the NHS and is not just confined to getting reuseable nappies back on the wards thus saving money.........  ::)

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This has got to be made up surely? ;D

No it isn't but as per usual the gutter press don't like the truth to get in the way of a good story. It costs councils an arm and leg to either landfill or incinerate disposable nappies. The solution and why "nappy co-ordinator" is a job that saves tax payers money is here and still going strong:-

http://www.goreal.org.uk/
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Clearly you have an adverse emotional reaction to facts. Not sure what the syndrome is today, but when I was a lad such were called dunces.

I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
Somehow you came about your opinions, as you claim to be educated then I assume you did not find them in a Fortune Cookie but that they are based on some evidence. Therefore please share the information in order that we can come to the same conclusions. I think that, if you bother, you will find that the list maker provided the basis for his assessments.



You claim to deal with factual evidence? Some time never. All we see is Tory propaganda and we all know that is incompatible with anything resembling the truth.
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I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
Somehow you came about your opinions, as you claim to be educated then I assume you did not find them in a Fortune Cookie but that they are based on some evidence. Therefore please share the information in order that we can come to the same conclusions. I think that, if you bother, you will find that the list maker provided the basis for his assessments.



You claim to deal with factual evidence? Some time never. All we see is Tory propaganda and we all know that is incompatible with anything resembling the truth.
Whereas mindless fiction laden ranting about "the incompetents" is supposed to somehow enlighten us all?

I'm rather leaning towards the fortune cookie explanation
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I have an adverse emotional reaction to right wing propaganda being dressed up as being factual.

Such propagandists could truthfully be described as being retarded.
Somehow you came about your opinions, as you claim to be educated then I assume you did not find them in a Fortune Cookie but that they are based on some evidence. Therefore please share the information in order that we can come to the same conclusions. I think that, if you bother, you will find that the list maker provided the basis for his assessments.



You claim to deal with factual evidence? Some time never. All we see is Tory propaganda and we all know that is incompatible with anything resembling the truth.
As I said you confuse facts with propaganda.

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