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| Topic Started: Nov 11 2014, 10:34 AM (276 Views) | |
| RJD | Nov 11 2014, 10:34 AM Post #1 |
Prudence and Thrift
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Empty blather. It is six months before a GE and the man still cannot say anything of substance. What is Labour for? It certainly is beginning to look like Labour is hoping to get the keys to No.10 by default as it is avoiding a fixed position on anything of substance. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 11 2014, 10:53 AM Post #2 |
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Neither can any of the other political leaders. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2014, 11:26 AM Post #3 |
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I thought his " We eill fight them on the beaches" speech was quite Churchillian. from which it seems to have been plagiarised. Unfortunately he always comes across as a boy trying to do a mans job, but then he sets the low standards for the Labour party as a whole. |
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| Alberich | Nov 11 2014, 12:04 PM Post #4 |
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Poor old Ed. Bad image...terrible personality...and crappy speech writers to boot. Perhaps he should! |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2014, 12:11 PM Post #5 |
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Labour are in a bit of a pickle regarding policy. The things they would like to promote are the things that are either not popular at the moment or impossible to achieve given the budget restraints and it looks that whoever wins the election is going to have to make just as deep cuts. |
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| RJD | Nov 11 2014, 12:14 PM Post #6 |
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"perhaps he" ------ should sack his speechwriter(s) and all his advisors and let the real mini-Milli-Marxist speak with some conviction. People might to start liking him if he displayed a bit of sincerity. |
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| Affa | Nov 11 2014, 01:33 PM Post #7 |
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Cuts cut off recovery ......... you all know this. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 11 2014, 01:36 PM Post #8 |
It .. It is GREEN !!
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have his speechwriters been nicking Leonard Nomoy's lines again ? Paramount will have their arses if they carry on like that Edited by johnofgwent, Nov 11 2014, 01:36 PM.
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| johnofgwent | Nov 11 2014, 01:39 PM Post #9 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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I can't say I "liked" benn or foot or for that matter a certain mr skinner ... I will say I admired them for speaking their mind though. In a way blair mandelson and co never did ... I don't know if you were being serious or taking the piss there, but I DO rather think people would at least RESPECT him a little, and that would be a start. |
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| RJD | Nov 11 2014, 04:29 PM Post #10 |
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No I do not know this as it depends what sort of recovery you are looking for. If it is debt fuelled recovery then just follow Brown, Milliband and Balls. I prefer another kind which results in less consumption, less consumption of imported goods and higher production. Seems you are not interested in rebalancing our stilted economy? |
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| RJD | Nov 11 2014, 04:32 PM Post #11 |
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I was being serious. I do not support his politics, but I do want a strong competition for ideas as without such the Gov. of the day tends to be slovenly. That said it is not only Milliband who needs to find his true self, Cameron suffers from the same PS spin, smoke and BS. |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2014, 04:53 PM Post #12 |
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Germany says no. |
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| Marconi | Nov 11 2014, 04:53 PM Post #13 |
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The Media and Ed Miliband's opponents may have shot themselves in the foot by starting a smear campaign too early. One too many stories could do the opposite effect of what they are trying to achieve. It's a British thing; let a bloke take a kicking in the press, even put in a few kicks in ourselves, but when things go too far and someone is attacked for the sake of it, we won't stand for that. |
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| RJD | Nov 11 2014, 06:00 PM Post #14 |
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No they left it far too late. He was a mistake from the beginning, but many lived in hope. It was a mistake to let the two Eds who were closely linked with failure to take commanding positions. They should have cleared the decks. |
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| Lewis | Nov 11 2014, 07:32 PM Post #15 |
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Yes I've noticed that the Tory dirty tricks team are working overtime on Ed Millipede lately. It will backfire on them sooner or later. |
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| Tigger | Nov 11 2014, 07:45 PM Post #16 |
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 Are you on commission from Conservative Conservative Central Office or something, you seem to post one of these sort of threads every single day! And you should know by now that the words substance and domestic politics are rarely in the same room at the same time these days, we vote them in and off they trot to big business and the banks who then tell them how high they need to jump. Vermin the lot of em........ |
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| Tigger | Nov 11 2014, 07:46 PM Post #17 |
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Never worked for you has it? |
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| papasmurf | Nov 11 2014, 07:52 PM Post #18 |
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I was wondering the same thing. I suspect it is terror. The hysterical anti-Miliband propaganda has now got to be counter productive. With at least two big scandals involving the Tory party about to surface I think the time in the run up to the general election is going to be interesting. |
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| Lewis | Nov 11 2014, 08:16 PM Post #19 |
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What two scandals, now that is more interesting then reading daily bulletins of Tory propaganda and dirty tricks! |
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| papasmurf | Nov 11 2014, 08:18 PM Post #20 |
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I am afraid you will have to wait and see for the media to publish. |
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| Affa | Nov 11 2014, 10:14 PM Post #21 |
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A familiar soundbite ...... let's have a new one, eh; Debt Fuelled Austerity! No more a contradiction in terms than the one above. We do have record borrowing, made worse because the deficit just refuses to come down, is on ts way up again after the early success brought it on track to be gone already ...... more a consequence of what A Darling put in place than eithe Osborne or Alexander. In a desire to reduce the size of the State and the burden of Welfare the coalition have cut off recovery, stalled growth, and built a mountain of debt! |
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| Affa | Nov 11 2014, 10:26 PM Post #22 |
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Andy; do you know what the German deficit is? Does it have a balanced of payments problem, or a balanced economy? Germany's needs are completely different to ours, and it isn't having to borrow to pay the bills. It's more afraid of overheating and driving the rest in the euro zone deeper into despair. |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2014, 10:27 PM Post #23 |
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There's not going to be a recovery, in the sense that we are not going to get any meaningful increase in manufacturing exports going. We no longer have the capacity to do that sort of thing, that's why a 30% reduction in the value of sterling had no effect on exports. The exports we already have are not price sensitive. So austerity is the only option and its going to get a lot worse, whoever gets in power. |
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| Affa | Nov 11 2014, 10:29 PM Post #24 |
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Scare tactics, dirty tricks, ........ the press are vital to the Tories right now, but it isn't guaranteed to last. |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2014, 10:32 PM Post #25 |
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Germany doesn't have a deficit because it has been enacting austerity measures designed to balance its budget. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100353656#. |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2014, 10:37 PM Post #26 |
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Ed is basically screwed, he's just been given the kiss of death. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/11/labour-leadership-ed-miliband-tony-blair-support-alan-johnson |
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| Rich | Nov 11 2014, 11:26 PM Post #27 |
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Labour............sincerity........I do not think so RJD, it goes against the grain, one only has to ask Mrs Duffy. It seems to me that Millibands ego has no limits, Faust comes to mind. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2014, 11:28 PM Post #28 |
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Two scandals about to surface? Do you mean a dirty tricks campaign by the Labour party? One left wing poster blames the Conservatives for a dirty trick campaign, as if labour are totallhy innocent of such dealings, and another one claims two scandals within the Conservative party are about to emerge, as if they are known and will be raised at the appropriate time ,when no doubt they will be presented prior to the next GE. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 11 2014, 11:59 PM Post #29 |
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Nothing whatever to do with the Labour party, they are totally of the Conservative Party's own making. (Starting to unravel a bit today.) I have been waiting since 1986 for the brown semi solid substance to hit the air conditioning. |
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| Affa | Nov 12 2014, 12:08 AM Post #30 |
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Your post is dated, 22 months old - Germany has zero deficit. Spending cuts were of course needed to allow for investment spending, were needed here, and trimming ones spending, austerity, is not being questioned. The rhetoric was "waste", to save money and to curtail spending where it did least good, to be frugal. But Germany continued with stimulus, started out very much as the UK did under Darling's guidance, but stuck to it, and saw it through. Compare these two charts - they show that invested (spent) to get the deficit down, and spent even more again this year to obtain the zero figure = it wasn't spending cuts that did it. It was growth.   Edited by Affa, Nov 12 2014, 12:20 AM.
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| Affa | Nov 12 2014, 12:13 AM Post #31 |
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Second Chart.
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| AndyK | Nov 12 2014, 08:13 AM Post #32 |
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Yes, that's the whole point, its zero deficit was obtained by austerity measures over a number of years. Without them it wouldn't be zero. |
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| Lewis | Nov 12 2014, 08:18 AM Post #33 |
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If that's the case then why hasn't austerity worked here? Government debt is as bad as ever, in fact worse since the incompetents took over. The salient principle is growth, which the Tory incompetent Ozzie killed off in the first three years of Tory misrule! |
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| AndyK | Nov 12 2014, 08:44 AM Post #34 |
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Because its not over yet. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/05/george-osborne-cuts-ifs_n_4728626.html and there is no amount of (realistic) growth that can bridge a £120bn deficit. Edited by AndyK, Nov 12 2014, 08:45 AM.
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| Affa | Nov 12 2014, 10:59 AM Post #35 |
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I put up two charts to show that spending wasn't cut this last year, spending increased considerably, so 'there was no austerity', there was what Tories would call "proliferate spending". I explained (tried to) that Germany has to appear to be taking the medicine it forces others to do, the rhetoric of Austerity. Germany cannot be seen to be running ahead, its living standards improving whilst the rest of the euro zone are in turmoil ...... you're smart enough to know this. |
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| Affa | Nov 12 2014, 11:11 AM Post #36 |
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Most Tories believed it was possible, after George told them he would do it in one Parliament. Labour's plans were "too slow" he said. Do you believe £120 bn in Spending cuts any more realistic? |
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| rizzo | Nov 12 2014, 11:52 AM Post #37 |
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Oh dear, Secret Squirrel is alive and well in Cornwall! |
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| papasmurf | Nov 12 2014, 11:59 AM Post #38 |
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If you can't put two and two together after Teresa May's statement in the House of Commons yesterday that is your problem, not mine. I cannot legally pre-empt official statements or I would get into very serious legal trouble for messing up on-going investigations. |
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| RJD | Nov 12 2014, 12:40 PM Post #39 |
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I cannot tell you without having to kill you, but I have hard evidence that there are 600,000 scandals just about to surface due to wrong doings in the Labour Party since Keir Hardy was a lad. Mum's the word, walls have ears and all that, trust me I am in the know. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 12 2014, 12:47 PM Post #40 |
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RJD you like me are MORE than aware about the legal consequences of compromising on-going investigations. Several news paper editors must be near to having fits because they daren't comment yet. There are comments elsewhere on the internet, but they can risk prosecution and having their websites shut down if they like. I have no intentions of risking myself or risking getting this forum getting closed down. |
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