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The imminent humiliation of the by election, the sordid attempt to protect bankers bonuses blocked on all counts by the EU and Lord Ashcroft laying into Cameron!
The EU has not capped wages, and the idea that they have is BS. There cannot be honest debate when the majority of time is spent answering propaganda generated BS.
Who said they had? They have capped bonuses and the consequence of this has been to raise the said Banker's fixed element of income. Sort of counterproductive really as these people will still be well paid, but the Banks will have less opportunity to claw back and as a consequence we the customers will end up paying. Not only that with their objective to punish and hide the culpability of Politicians, they will probably push a lot of this business out of Europe. Still why should they care?
That's not the point as I see it.
The point is that it is private enterprise and if they want to pay their employees in bonuses, krugerrands or bananas then it is nothing to do with anyone other than the shareholders.
Not private though is it? Banks are underwritten not just by Shareholders but also by Taxpayers. I would have let Northern Wreck go into Administration, rescuing it was a mistake, and would like to achieve a situation whereby I could think the same for any failed Bank. Unfortunately Politicians have forgotten their responsibility to regulate in order to protect Joe Public and none were worse at this than the last lot.
My my all this banker corruption and not even one of them sees the inside of a jail house and the EU establishment pats them on the head and says good job lads. Osbourne squanders our taxes in a futile court attempt to pretend he was actually going to cap their excesses. He would have s**t a brick if he had somehow won the case!
Ohh well now he has other mega problems like organising £5.4 Billion extra borrowing on taxpayers backs to hand over to Mr Junckers which will wind up as yet another "RESULT FOR BRITAIN" no doubt and Junckers an exposed tax crook himself
Not private though is it? Banks are underwritten not just by Shareholders but also by Taxpayers. I would have let Northern Wreck go into Administration, rescuing it was a mistake, and would like to achieve a situation whereby I could think the same for any failed Bank. Unfortunately Politicians have forgotten their responsibility to regulate in order to protect Joe Public and none were worse at this than the last lot.
If it were just one Bank, there could be some justification for letting it fail .... but I do think the real extent of how crippling (to not just the UK) would have been the outcome were it not for the rescue package. That busy w/e for Darling & Brown prevented 'meltdown', the doors were about to be closed on the high street banks (likely) all of them. Your debit card cancelled, and businesses in turmoil ........ how close we came to that we are sheltered from, from knowing how much these crooks owe to us the austerity put-upon tax payer.
The EU has not capped wages, and the idea that they have is BS. There cannot be honest debate when the majority of time is spent answering propaganda generated BS.
Who said they had? They have capped bonuses and the consequence of this has been to raise the said Banker's fixed element of income. Sort of counterproductive really as these people will still be well paid, but the Banks will have less opportunity to claw back and as a consequence we the customers will end up paying. Not only that with their objective to punish and hide the culpability of Politicians, they will probably push a lot of this business out of Europe. Still why should they care?
That's not the point as I see it.
The point is that it is private enterprise and if they want to pay their employees in bonuses, krugerrands or bananas then it is nothing to do with anyone other than the shareholders.
Not private though is it? Banks are underwritten not just by Shareholders but also by Taxpayers. I would have let Northern Wreck go into Administration, rescuing it was a mistake, and would like to achieve a situation whereby I could think the same for any failed Bank. Unfortunately Politicians have forgotten their responsibility to regulate in order to protect Joe Public and none were worse at this than the last lot.
Regulate? Regulate? You mean that thing prior to the financial collapse that the tories and their supporters wanted to see less of, or none at all, because the markets would self regulate and provide the best choices and deals to the public?
The point is that it is private enterprise and if they want to pay their employees in bonuses, krugerrands or bananas then it is nothing to do with anyone other than the shareholders.
Not private though is it? Banks are underwritten not just by Shareholders but also by Taxpayers. I would have let Northern Wreck go into Administration, rescuing it was a mistake, and would like to achieve a situation whereby I could think the same for any failed Bank. Unfortunately Politicians have forgotten their responsibility to regulate in order to protect Joe Public and none were worse at this than the last lot.
Regulate? Regulate? You mean that thing prior to the financial collapse that the tories and their supporters wanted to see less of, or none at all, because the markets would self regulate and provide the best choices and deals to the public?
I am talking just for myself Mr Pig for the RJD-Party. When I said Politicians I meant all of them, when I said that the last lot were the worst of them I meant it and all the evidence shows this to be true. I believe that a well regulated capitalist economy supported by our form of democracy is about the best protection we can obtain to defend us from overbearing Politicians. It would also like to see a sea change in attitudes towards Politicians with Joe Public, such that when they seek popularity based on images and sound bites rather than substance then we groan, vomit and reject them. But unlikely as in the last decades the tide has run in the other direction. I also believe it the duty of Gov. to protect and not undermine the value of an individuals savings and run a policy of "sound money". Call me old fashioned.
I am talking just for myself Mr Pig for the RJD-Party. When I said Politicians I meant all of them, when I said that the last lot were the worst of them I meant it and all the evidence shows this to be true. I believe that a well regulated capitalist economy supported by our form of democracy is about the best protection we can obtain to defend us from overbearing Politicians. It would also like to see a sea change in attitudes towards Politicians with Joe Public, such that when they seek popularity based on images and sound bites rather than substance then we groan, vomit and reject them. But unlikely as in the last decades the tide has run in the other direction. I also believe it the duty of Gov. to protect and not undermine the value of an individuals savings and run a policy of "sound money". Call me old fashioned.
I'm just speaking for myself too, for the Truffle-Snufflers party, when I say that I think the "last lot" were slightly better than others. Especially their direct predecessors, who were probably the worst ever taken over the whole time they were in power, and the current shower of shite. I am greatly apprehensive about any new government, regardless of colour.
Surely the words regulated, when speaking of a fully capitalist economy are not applicable. Capitalist economy is market forces and law of the jungle. Such an economy, IMHO, will inevitabley lead to monopolies and cartels, which limits the very choice and competition which capisalists espouse. It is the nature of things. Profit is King.
I totally agree with the duty of the politicians. I also agree with the gullibility of Joe Public who do elect on images and soundbites rather than anything actually relevant.
Disability History Month – launch – 18th Nov 2014 WAR & IMPAIRMENT: the social consequences of disablement 1. At the same time as the Prime Minister was waxing lyrically about what this nation owes to British Military Forces and veterans when speaking at the recent Conservative Party Conference, the DWP were busy advising 80,000 disabled War Pensioners that we were about to lose access to DLA and could, if we wished, apply for the new highly discredited PIP award. PIP has a 12 month waiting list for all new applicants and, according to the DWP, a guarantee that the majority will not be successful. By May 2014 only 15.4% of new PIP claims had received a decision, and only 12,654 of the 220,300 people who had made a new claim since April 2013 have been awarded some rate of PIP.
2. This unexpected threat to this nation’s working age War Pensioners was despite the fact that I received a personal telecom from the Cabinet Office 12 months ago, as witnessed by my carer, claiming that the Cabinet had ‘… just agreed that all War Pensioners could keep their DLA for life and will not be reassessed, as an acknowledgement of their service to the nation.’ My opinion was invited and given and, of course, I was delighted with the news.
3. Then, the very nervous caller asked me what this decision would mean for my research? Evidence from the research exposed the WCA, conducted by Atos Healthcare, as being bogus and using a totally discredited assessment model. The WCA was copied from a notorious American corporate insurance giant in order to remove as many as possible from long-term sickness benefits, regardless of the consequences in terms of human suffering. The research has been accepted by the UN and evidence from it has been used in welfare debates in the HOL and especially in the HOC - largely thanks to John McDonnell MP. Ask yourself why the national press will not publish the research evidence accepted by academics throughout the UK? Do we have a free press or a government controlled press??
4. The same research also exposed the fact that the welfare reforms were totally unrelated to the financial collapse, regardless of repeated gvt claims. The evidence confirmed that the destruction of the welfare state is the legacy of the Thatcher government, and the PM had been waiting for a plausible excuse to justify introducing this long ago planned destruction of the welfare state, masquerading as welfare reforms, as the UK moves ever closer to health care and welfare funded by private insurance.
5. Twelve months later, it seems that the ‘phone call from the Cabinet Office last year was an attempt to stop the research and, being naive, I didn’t anticipate that the DWP would now threaten 80,000 working age War Pensioners because my integrity is not for sale.
6. Since the outpouring of public and political outrage the last time the DWP published the mortality figures of the thousands of sick and disabled people who had died, often within weeks of being found fit for work and removed from long-term sickness benefit, the DWP has since refused to publish any more annual death totals. The unelected Lord Freud has far too much authority and the press have blood on their hands. They willingly quote any new DWP fantasy attacking sick and disabled benefit claimants as people are dying, in their thousands, killed by the State.
7. For some of us, this DWP decision to remove DLA from working age disabled older veterans will be a death sentence whilst all other disabled veterans, including War Pensioners over the age of 70, have a government guarantee of DLA for life without any further reassessment, in recognition of their ‘service to the nation.’ ALL disabled veterans were disabled serving this nation and all War Pensioners should be treated the same, regardless of age, and be allowed to retain the promised access to DLA for life.
8. The UN are apparently investigating the UK government for breaches of the disability rights of disabled people and time will tell how long it takes for members of the present UK government to be investigated for the identified crimes against humanity, masquerading as welfare reforms. Members of the House of Lords now compare the Coalition government to 1930s Germany where elderly, sick and disabled people were nothing more than a burden to the State that needed to be removed.
9. Clearly, the social consequences of disablement in C21st UK are the abuses of hard won disability rights by a very dangerous government. There are now in excess of 3 million disability benefit dependent claimants living in fear of imminent destitution or worse, including 80,000 working age War Pensioners. They also fear possible public hostility due to the often extreme press headlines that report the deeply disturbing rhetoric of DWP Ministers, as disability hate crime is now the highest ever recorded. There are reported examples of disabled people being thrown out of their wheelchairs and spat at in the streets, in C21st UK, thanks to disabled people being constantly vilified by DWP Ministers, politicians and commentators who have all joined the band-waggon.
10.Speaking personally, over the past 12 months in particular, I have been very aware of members of the public looking at me in a judgemental manor to the point where some will make derogatory comments, no doubt encouraged by influential press headlines and the Secretary of State’s frequently quoted comments referring to ‘shirkers and skivers.’
18.There can’t really be any surprise that many sick and disabled people now no longer feel comfortable when venturing out of the safety of their homes into the no-man’s land of public opinion. Many are now prisoners in their own homes, and that includes disabled working age War Pensioners fearing imminent death or destitution. There really isn’t much difference between being incarcerated in institutions or a prisoner in your own home, as independent living is being systematically destroyed by these very dangerous welfare reforms.
I am talking just for myself Mr Pig for the RJD-Party. When I said Politicians I meant all of them, when I said that the last lot were the worst of them I meant it and all the evidence shows this to be true. I believe that a well regulated capitalist economy supported by our form of democracy is about the best protection we can obtain to defend us from overbearing Politicians. It would also like to see a sea change in attitudes towards Politicians with Joe Public, such that when they seek popularity based on images and sound bites rather than substance then we groan, vomit and reject them. But unlikely as in the last decades the tide has run in the other direction. I also believe it the duty of Gov. to protect and not undermine the value of an individuals savings and run a policy of "sound money". Call me old fashioned.
I'm just speaking for myself too, for the Truffle-Snufflers party, when I say that I think the "last lot" were slightly better than others. Especially their direct predecessors, who were probably the worst ever taken over the whole time they were in power, and the current shower of shite. I am greatly apprehensive about any new government, regardless of colour.
Surely the words regulated, when speaking of a fully capitalist economy are not applicable. Capitalist economy is market forces and law of the jungle. Such an economy, IMHO, will inevitabley lead to monopolies and cartels, which limits the very choice and competition which capisalists espouse. It is the nature of things. Profit is King.
I totally agree with the duty of the politicians. I also agree with the gullibility of Joe Public who do elect on images and soundbites rather than anything actually relevant.
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
How promising to read this. But why not call it what its is, 'Greed', and go further and tell that the failure of politicians isn't from memory loss, but is from corruption - they have sold out to the money.
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
How promising to read this. But why not call it what its is, 'Greed', and go further and tell that the failure of politicians isn't from memory loss, but is from corruption - they have sold out to the money.
That emotional word "greed" again, without such we would still be huddled at the back of caves with lefties whining that it is too dangerous to go out at night and fetch wood. Nothing wrong with the profit motive, it works and it has delivered hundreds of millions of Asians out of agrarian poverty during the last 30 years and that is something Socialism cannot claim. The history of the leftist experiments is riddled with bread queues and economic failure.
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
How promising to read this. But why not call it what its is, 'Greed', and go further and tell that the failure of politicians isn't from memory loss, but is from corruption - they have sold out to the money.
That emotional word "greed" again, without such we would still be huddled at the back of caves with lefties whining that it is too dangerous to go out at night and fetch wood. Nothing wrong with the profit motive, it works and it has delivered hundreds of millions of Asians out of agrarian poverty during the last 30 years and that is something Socialism cannot claim. The history of the leftist experiments is riddled with bread queues and economic failure.
Obviously you've got a bit confused again when the word "greed " is mentioned, apart from your anecdotes about caves and firewood I could also quote some dates that shows where unfettered greed can end up, try 1789 and 1916 for starters, that aside those Commies in China seem to be doing rather well with their central planning, the keeping of Western financial institutions at arms length and sensible ownership laws!
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
How promising to read this. But why not call it what its is, 'Greed', and go further and tell that the failure of politicians isn't from memory loss, but is from corruption - they have sold out to the money.
That emotional word "greed" again, without such we would still be huddled at the back of caves with lefties whining that it is too dangerous to go out at night and fetch wood. Nothing wrong with the profit motive, it works and it has delivered hundreds of millions of Asians out of agrarian poverty during the last 30 years and that is something Socialism cannot claim. The history of the leftist experiments is riddled with bread queues and economic failure.
The emotional word, 'greed' goes hand in hand with that other emotional word 'envy'.
Strange how these right whingers seem to confuse the meanings of the words.
Funny how food banks are booming under their rule again. Starvation puts a new meaning to the words 'greed'.
I think someone could do with reading up on corruption in China. I think it might be something of an eye opener.
I'm glad that there is so few cases of corruption in the west..........
Blimey, the next next thing you know will be a classification of corruption and then the least worst will become the norm...I believe that in higher circles it is called mission creep.
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
How promising to read this. But why not call it what its is, 'Greed', and go further and tell that the failure of politicians isn't from memory loss, but is from corruption - they have sold out to the money.
That emotional word "greed" again, without such we would still be huddled at the back of caves with lefties whining that it is too dangerous to go out at night and fetch wood. Nothing wrong with the profit motive, it works and it has delivered hundreds of millions of Asians out of agrarian poverty during the last 30 years and that is something Socialism cannot claim. The history of the leftist experiments is riddled with bread queues and economic failure.
The emotional word, 'greed' goes hand in hand with that other emotional word 'envy'.
Strange how these right whingers seem to confuse the meanings of the words.
Funny how food banks are booming under their rule again. Starvation puts a new meaning to the words 'greed'.
No they don't the have correctly identified it running through the body politic of the left. Just watch every Labour Conference since WW2 and check on what gets the most applause. There certainly is a stench of envy and spite emanating from lefty Posters on this forum.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
The point is that it is private enterprise and if they want to pay their employees in bonuses, krugerrands or bananas then it is nothing to do with anyone other than the shareholders.
Not private though is it? Banks are underwritten not just by Shareholders but also by Taxpayers. I would have let Northern Wreck go into Administration, rescuing it was a mistake, and would like to achieve a situation whereby I could think the same for any failed Bank. Unfortunately Politicians have forgotten their responsibility to regulate in order to protect Joe Public and none were worse at this than the last lot.
Regulate? Regulate? You mean that thing prior to the financial collapse that the tories and their supporters wanted to see less of, or none at all, because the markets would self regulate and provide the best choices and deals to the public?
Regulate? Regulate? You mean the financial regulation that Gordon Brown and the Labour government reduced from light to virtually non-existant , ably assisted by Ed Milliband and Ed Balls as 'special advisors' and which exacerbated the negative impact of the global financial crisis on the UK some ten years after the Tories ceased to be in government. Yep! Thats the one!
Capitalism is whatever we decide it to be via Laws and Regulations. We can shape the market to suit the benefit of the majority. Politicians forgot their duties towards us the electorate. Unfettered Capitalism is unacceptable.
How promising to read this. But why not call it what its is, 'Greed', and go further and tell that the failure of politicians isn't from memory loss, but is from corruption - they have sold out to the money.
That emotional word "greed" again, without such we would still be huddled at the back of caves with lefties whining that it is too dangerous to go out at night and fetch wood. Nothing wrong with the profit motive, it works and it has delivered hundreds of millions of Asians out of agrarian poverty during the last 30 years and that is something Socialism cannot claim. The history of the leftist experiments is riddled with bread queues and economic failure.
So no reply to what was said! Instead another rant - because you have no response that refutes either the 'greed', or the 'corruption', which you attribute to failure to regulate, and memory loss of our Political representatives.
The emotional word, 'greed' goes hand in hand with that other emotional word 'envy'.
Strange how these right whingers seem to confuse the meanings of the words.
Funny how food banks are booming under their rule again. Starvation puts a new meaning to the words 'greed'.
My immediate reaction to reading this evasive use of 'envy' when dismissing criticisms of the undeniable excesses of corporate business in their efforts to maximise profits. is to exclaim 'BASTARD!'. I can only presume that such obnoxious denials stem from these people having selfishly participated in such avaricious ventures of their own and reject that they have any guilt. How can it be right for business executives to be pocketing £millions whilst those they employ at the bottom are forced to enlist for hand-outs in order to live? It's not envy to make these assertions, it is morally defensible, economically defensible, and socially important.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I find your last paragraph as offensive as it is innaccurate. Just who the fuck do you think you are? It's people with attitudes like you who are the cause of many of this world's woes. So bloody full of yourself it's beyond belief.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I find your last paragraph as offensive as it is innaccurate. Just who the fuck do you think you are? It's people with attitudes like you who are the cause of many of this world's woes. So bloody full of yourself it's beyond belief.
What you find offensive is a matter of supreme indifference to me. My last sentence is totally accurate and your tantrum is evidence of its accuracy.
It is people like me who for decades have established and developed businesses which have provided people like you with jobs, if indeed you have one. It is people like me who have paid the taxes which enables the NHS to be the fine institution it is, who pays the taxes to provide benefits to the deserving, and also unfortunately the undeserving poor and who provides the taxes to provide a state school education, such as it is, to your children whilst paying for my children to be educated out of tax paid income. That is who the fuck I know I am, you odious little pleb, so how the fuck dare you to suggest that my attitudes cause any of the worlds woes when the world doesn't even know you fucking well exist.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I've got a few quid in the bank these days but I take a different line, I don't like posh restaurants mainly because I don't like people kissing my arse just because I'm spending money, wines all taste the same to me, a bit like cider gone off in fact, I rarely wear a tailored suit unless someone has died, German cars are not for me either, I don't like the image they give off, a French estate car is more to my taste and frankly it's better than the Hun car it replaced, my shotgun is rarely used not because it is 130 years old and quite valuable but because I prefer to use a .17hmr, it's more of a challenge and I love the precision you can literally place shots, my house is rather large but then there are seven of us and I'm already looking forward to downsizing and getting a detached bungalow when the young uns sod off to uni!
I've tried a lot of apparently upmarket things and generally find them over rated and often very poor value for money, and I could not give a toss about the image I project either, in fact I've had shop assistants and car wash attendants look down their noses at me.
Not private though is it? Banks are underwritten not just by Shareholders but also by Taxpayers. I would have let Northern Wreck go into Administration, rescuing it was a mistake, and would like to achieve a situation whereby I could think the same for any failed Bank. Unfortunately Politicians have forgotten their responsibility to regulate in order to protect Joe Public and none were worse at this than the last lot.
Regulate? Regulate? You mean that thing prior to the financial collapse that the tories and their supporters wanted to see less of, or none at all, because the markets would self regulate and provide the best choices and deals to the public?
Regulate? Regulate? You mean the financial regulation that Gordon Brown and the Labour government reduced from light to virtually non-existant , ably assisted by Ed Milliband and Ed Balls as 'special advisors' and which exacerbated the negative impact of the global financial crisis on the UK some ten years after the Tories ceased to be in government. Yep! Thats the one!
Not much has under Boy George though has it? Just some window dressing, some stern words and platitudes and it's back to business as usual. Criminality and corruption is still rampant and those that commit it retain their freedom.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I've got a few quid in the bank these days but I take a different line, I don't like posh restaurants mainly because I don't like people kissing my arse just because I'm spending money, wines all taste the same to me, a bit like cider gone off in fact, I rarely wear a tailored suit unless someone has died, German cars are not for me either, I don't like the image they give off, a French estate car is more to my taste and frankly it's better than the Hun car it replaced, my shotgun is rarely used not because it is 130 years old and quite valuable but because I prefer to use a .17hmr, it's more of a challenge and I love the precision you can literally place shots, my house is rather large but then there are seven of us and I'm already looking forward to downsizing and getting a detached bungalow when the young uns sod off to uni!
I've tried a lot of apparently upmarket things and generally find them over rated and often very poor value for money, and I could not give a toss about the image I project either, in fact I've had shop assistants and car wash attendants look down their noses at me.
I guess I've got no class!
It is nothing to do with class or oneupmanship, it is about the right to make your own choices in how you spend your own legitimately acquired wealth. You spend yours the way you choose and I spend mine the way I choose, and we should each be able to do so without some oik or other condemning us for it, particularly when those choices contribute to employment, to gdp and to the economy. And by the way my personal transport was definitely built in England, even though it is owned by an Indian based company (and no it is not a Hindustan Ambassador!) although my wife's car is I confess a quality Hun car.
Regulate? Regulate? You mean that thing prior to the financial collapse that the tories and their supporters wanted to see less of, or none at all, because the markets would self regulate and provide the best choices and deals to the public?
Regulate? Regulate? You mean the financial regulation that Gordon Brown and the Labour government reduced from light to virtually non-existant , ably assisted by Ed Milliband and Ed Balls as 'special advisors' and which exacerbated the negative impact of the global financial crisis on the UK some ten years after the Tories ceased to be in government. Yep! Thats the one!
Not much has under Boy George though has it? Just some window dressing, some stern words and platitudes and it's back to business as usual. Criminality and corruption is still rampant and those that commit it retain their freedom.
No the Coalition have done sweet bugger all to introduce highly desirable banking reforms and they have been in government for four and a half years.
But my point was to highlight the sheer hypocrisy and disingenuousness of the suggestion that somehow the transformation of light financial regulation into virtually non-existant financial regulation by Gordon Brown and his elves (Ed and Ed) could somehow, by implication, be laid at the feet of the Tories who had been out of government and in fairly ineffectual opposition for ten long years.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I've got a few quid in the bank these days but I take a different line, I don't like posh restaurants mainly because I don't like people kissing my arse just because I'm spending money, wines all taste the same to me, a bit like cider gone off in fact, I rarely wear a tailored suit unless someone has died, German cars are not for me either, I don't like the image they give off, a French estate car is more to my taste and frankly it's better than the Hun car it replaced, my shotgun is rarely used not because it is 130 years old and quite valuable but because I prefer to use a .17hmr, it's more of a challenge and I love the precision you can literally place shots, my house is rather large but then there are seven of us and I'm already looking forward to downsizing and getting a detached bungalow when the young uns sod off to uni!
I've tried a lot of apparently upmarket things and generally find them over rated and often very poor value for money, and I could not give a toss about the image I project either, in fact I've had shop assistants and car wash attendants look down their noses at me.
I guess I've got no class!
It is nothing to do with class or oneupmanship, it is about the right to make your own choices in how you spend your own legitimately acquired wealth. You spend yours the way you choose and I spend mine the way I choose, and we should each be able to do so without some oik or other condemning us for it, particularly when those choices contribute to employment, to gdp and to the economy.
I'm an oik myself, people underestimate you if you play to it.
Regulate? Regulate? You mean the financial regulation that Gordon Brown and the Labour government reduced from light to virtually non-existant , ably assisted by Ed Milliband and Ed Balls as 'special advisors' and which exacerbated the negative impact of the global financial crisis on the UK some ten years after the Tories ceased to be in government. Yep! Thats the one!
Not much has under Boy George though has it? Just some window dressing, some stern words and platitudes and it's back to business as usual. Criminality and corruption is still rampant and those that commit it retain their freedom.
No the Coalition have done sweet bugger all to introduce highly desirable banking reforms and they have been in government for four and a half years.
But my point was to highlight the sheer hypocrisy and disingenuousness of the suggestion that somehow the transformation of light financial regulation into virtually non-existant financial regulation by Gordon Brown and his elves (Ed and Ed) could somehow, by implication, be laid at the feet of the Tories who had been out of government and in fairly ineffectual opposition for ten long years.
Can't argue with any of that, I'm sad to say proper regulation will be imposed from outside as our bought and paid for politicians are cut from the same cloth, either an irate US will cut them down to size or the EU will wield the big stick should we be foolish enough to have a messy divorce.
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I've got a few quid in the bank these days but I take a different line, I don't like posh restaurants mainly because I don't like people kissing my arse just because I'm spending money, wines all taste the same to me, a bit like cider gone off in fact, I rarely wear a tailored suit unless someone has died, German cars are not for me either, I don't like the image they give off, a French estate car is more to my taste and frankly it's better than the Hun car it replaced, my shotgun is rarely used not because it is 130 years old and quite valuable but because I prefer to use a .17hmr, it's more of a challenge and I love the precision you can literally place shots, my house is rather large but then there are seven of us and I'm already looking forward to downsizing and getting a detached bungalow when the young uns sod off to uni!
I've tried a lot of apparently upmarket things and generally find them over rated and often very poor value for money, and I could not give a toss about the image I project either, in fact I've had shop assistants and car wash attendants look down their noses at me.
I guess I've got no class!
It is nothing to do with class or oneupmanship, it is about the right to make your own choices in how you spend your own legitimately acquired wealth. You spend yours the way you choose and I spend mine the way I choose, and we should each be able to do so without some oik or other condemning us for it, particularly when those choices contribute to employment, to gdp and to the economy. And by the way my personal transport was definitely built in England, even though it is owned by an Indian based company (and no it is not a Hindustan Ambassador!) although my wife's car is I confess a quality Hun car.
So I'm an oik now am I, you self opinionated whazzerk?
I don't get all this hoo-ha about envy regarding money, possessions, status etc. Speaking personally, it's a load of tosh. Lets take it down a notch.
If I go to a restaurant and eat a "normal" sort of a meal and be happily contented with that, I don't envy the bloke who I can see across the room, shovelling down two tatties more than a pig. It is the totally unneccessay behaviour of the glutton that irks. I apply this dislike of gluttony in whatever form it takes. People can be gluttons for money, possessions, status etc. I don't envy the gluttony, because envy means I would like to do the same. I don't, but I do dislike seeing gluttony, in any form, flaunted.
Gluttony strongly implies excessive quantities rather than high quality.
Being moderately well heeled I enjoy a fine quality wine over quaffable plonk, a tailored suit in wool rather than an 'off the peg suit' in polyester, hand made English shoes rather than mass produced Asian shoes, a quality private education for my children rather than an average state education, a meal cooked by a skilled chef and competently served in comfortable surroundings rather than the dish of the day dumped down in front of me in a Harvester, a finely engineered car which transports me in safety and cosseted comfort rather than a run of the mill saloon with a cheap plastic and velour interior, a home sufficiently large that I can entertain without inconveniencing my neighbours or guests, scheduled business class flights so I can travel when I want and change my arrangements as I wish, a hand tooled antique English shotgun rather than a cheap Spanish pigeon gun just to mention a few choices I choose to make. Incidentally in making those choices and paying for them out of tax paid income or tax paid capital I am making a contribution to reducing unemployment, improving the economy and contributing further taxes in the form of purchase based taxes on the goods I buy just as I am with the employment I provide.
Unless and until you have experienced some of the finer things in life and learnt to recognise them I would not expect you to appreciate them. Certainly an appreciation of quality is not gluttony.
I find your last paragraph as offensive as it is innaccurate. Just who the fuck do you think you are? It's people with attitudes like you who are the cause of many of this world's woes. So bloody full of yourself it's beyond belief.
What you find offensive is a matter of supreme indifference to me. My last sentence is totally accurate and your tantrum is evidence of its accuracy.
It is people like me who for decades have established and developed businesses which have provided people like you with jobs, if indeed you have one. It is people like me who have paid the taxes which enables the NHS to be the fine institution it is, who pays the taxes to provide benefits to the deserving, and also unfortunately the undeserving poor and who provides the taxes to provide a state school education, such as it is, to your children whilst paying for my children to be educated out of tax paid income. That is who the fuck I know I am, you odious little pleb, so how the fuck dare you to suggest that my attitudes cause any of the worlds woes when the world doesn't even know you fucking well exist.
You sir know shite all about me, so keep your ill informed conclusions to yourself if you please. If you are such a powerful chap providing work for the ignorant oiks in the country, how come you have so much time on your hands to fritter away blurting out your stagnant arse gravy on an internet forum? I reckon you are Walter Mitty's less well balanced brother. There have been some really objectionable twats on the first incarnation of this forum, but you sir, take the biscuit by a considerable margin.
I find your last paragraph as offensive as it is innaccurate. Just who the fuck do you think you are? It's people with attitudes like you who are the cause of many of this world's woes. So bloody full of yourself it's beyond belief.
What you find offensive is a matter of supreme indifference to me. My last sentence is totally accurate and your tantrum is evidence of its accuracy.
It is people like me who for decades have established and developed businesses which have provided people like you with jobs, if indeed you have one. It is people like me who have paid the taxes which enables the NHS to be the fine institution it is, who pays the taxes to provide benefits to the deserving, and also unfortunately the undeserving poor and who provides the taxes to provide a state school education, such as it is, to your children whilst paying for my children to be educated out of tax paid income. That is who the fuck I know I am, you odious little pleb, so how the fuck dare you to suggest that my attitudes cause any of the worlds woes when the world doesn't even know you fucking well exist.
You sir know shite all about me, so keep your ill informed conclusions to yourself if you please. If you are such a powerful chap providing work for the ignorant oiks in the country, how come you have so much time on your hands to fritter away blurting out your stagnant arse gravy on an internet forum? I reckon you are Walter Mitty's less well balanced brother. There have been some really objectionable twats on the first incarnation of this forum, but you sir, take the biscuit by a considerable margin.
So you don't like me very much! I don't give a tinkers curse about what an inadequate loser like you thinks about anything. You epitomise the politics of envy!
Anyway, back to the thread title, I was laughed and scorned at by some on here for supporting and voting for UKIP, my reason then and still is was because it is my belief that it will force the other 3 arrogant main parties into listening to and reacting to the concerns of the majority wishes of this countrys legal legal voters, now then all you naysayers who repeatedly said my vote alongside many other likeminded voters would make no difference, what have you to say now that the mainstream "TWO" mainstream parties, (forget the Libdem tossers) are echoing the same aims of UKIP.
Nobody of sound mind expect UKIP to take office anytime soon, but, they have achieved their objective and have wakened up those arrogant twats in Westminster to the fact that they may lose their seat and their oh so comfortable and cosy lifestyle that they thought they had for a long time to come.
It is strange how ones minds can be concentrated when ones career is on the line.
What you find offensive is a matter of supreme indifference to me. My last sentence is totally accurate and your tantrum is evidence of its accuracy.
It is people like me who for decades have established and developed businesses which have provided people like you with jobs, if indeed you have one. It is people like me who have paid the taxes which enables the NHS to be the fine institution it is, who pays the taxes to provide benefits to the deserving, and also unfortunately the undeserving poor and who provides the taxes to provide a state school education, such as it is, to your children whilst paying for my children to be educated out of tax paid income. That is who the fuck I know I am, you odious little pleb, so how the fuck dare you to suggest that my attitudes cause any of the worlds woes when the world doesn't even know you fucking well exist.
You sir know shite all about me, so keep your ill informed conclusions to yourself if you please. If you are such a powerful chap providing work for the ignorant oiks in the country, how come you have so much time on your hands to fritter away blurting out your stagnant arse gravy on an internet forum? I reckon you are Walter Mitty's less well balanced brother. There have been some really objectionable twats on the first incarnation of this forum, but you sir, take the biscuit by a considerable margin.
So you don't like me very much! I don't give a tinkers curse about what an inadequate loser like you thinks about anything. You epitomise the politics of envy!
And you sir epitomise an egocentric, delusional, tosspot. Your use of the words oik and now pleb demonstrate quite clearly how you view other people and anything they have to say. Even that nasty little Mitchell denied using the word pleb because he knew it made him look a c**t. Did you know what it meant before you saw it in the media? Why do you find the need to tell everyone that absolutely everything in your life is bigger, better, more expensive than anything anyone else has? It suggests to me that it is all wishfull thinking rather than having any substance in reality Walter. I bet there are forum members who could buy and sell you, but don't find the need to tell you, or anyone else about it.
I've just had a thought. Were you perchance called Eddie in a previous incarnation. He managed to get up most people's noses too.
You really are a moron. It is nothing to do with bigger, better or more expensive than anyone else has. I have always made it quite clear that my companies were relatively modest sized enterprises and that the wealth I have acquired is also relatively modest, and have only ever referred to it in support of and in explanation of my arguments. It is of course quite possible that there are posters on this forum who indeed have acquired far more than I have and as long as it was done honestly and through dint of skill, competence and commitment and not as lottery winners or footballers I admire and respect them for it.
I would bet a pound to a penny though that you are not and never will be one of them.
I hold in contempt plebs such as you who deride those who have got off their backsides, have aspirations, taken risks, developed businesses and made the wealth creation opportunities which provides employment and the tax revenues so essential to our society's prosperity. I have been aware of the word plebeian and its pejorative since adolescence, having suffered Latin at school. I rarely use it as I rarely hold someone in sufficient disregard to feel justified in its use.
It is a shame you can never see the bigger picture but then a thick pig only has one destiny to be skewered, roasted and consumed by others. Mitchell, 'the nasty little man' you refer to, was an elected member of our Parliament whose reputation and career were largely destroyed by the lies and corruption within the Metropolitan Police. There is no evidence that he referred to anyone as a pleb that day. But you, as a biased, bigoted, uninformed cretin full of bile and venom, simply see Mitchell as a 'privileged Tory' and out pours your usual resentment and envy and assumption that he is guilty as charged. Thick pigs like you make assumptions that they can never support.
I can trade insults and ad hominem attacks with you ad nauseam if thats what floats your boat.
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