UKIP's Reckless wins Rochester and Strood seat

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UKIP's Reckless wins Rochester and Strood seat
Topic Started: Nov 21 2014, 05:45 AM (95 Views)
Cymru	Nov 21 2014, 05:45 AM Post #1
Alt-Right Posts: 3,504 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30140747 Turnout was 50.67%. Reckless received 16,867 votes or 42.1% of the 40,113 votes cast, getting 2,920 more votes than the runner-up.



Heinrich	Nov 21 2014, 06:06 AM Post #2
Regular Guy Posts: 2,920 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: Jul 22, 2014	He was the Tory-cum-UKIP incumbent who will have a fight on his hands to retain the seat in the upcoming general election.



RJD	Nov 21 2014, 07:42 AM Post #3
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Heinrich Nov 21 2014, 06:06 AM He was the Tory-cum-UKIP incumbent who will have a fight on his hands to retain the seat in the upcoming general election. I doubt he will be complacent and fight he will. But UKIP now appear to have some momentum and will expect to take some Labour scalps. I understand they have their eye on Milli's seat in Doncaster. Whatever the outcome they have dragged Labour even further to the right and they will in the next 6 months move more. Nothing to do with conviction it is all about what buys votes.



RoofGardener	Nov 21 2014, 07:53 AM Post #4
Lord of Plantpots Posts: 3,802 Group: Members Member #85 Joined: Sep 6, 2014	It's a pretty spectacular result. The ward went from a 9000 Conservative majority to a 3000 UKIP majority. That's quite a swing. I was amused to note that the poor old Liberal Democrats got their come-uppance. They lost almost all of their voters, lost their deposit, and only came in 200 votes ahead of the Raving Monster Loony Party ! The fruits of their "Power, at all costs.." decision to go into coallition with the Tories. Perhaps voters aren't so gullible after all ? In regards Labour, I agree with RJD's comments above. The BNP must be REALLY peeved. Suddenly, everbody is stealing their policies. Edited by RoofGardener, Nov 21 2014, 07:55 AM.



Lewis	Nov 21 2014, 08:00 AM Post #5
Senior Member Posts: 3,478 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Well the good thing is that the incompetents got smashed with a 28% turn round and the smirk has been wiped off Scameron's ugly mug. More incompetents must be considering jumping ship.



Boxter	Nov 21 2014, 08:04 AM Post #6
Regular Member Posts: 261 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: Oct 26, 2014	Cameron threw the kitchen sink at this and he still lost the hapless Milliband thought it would be good for his party and take it out of negative headlines but who is still making negative headlines. His Westminister Bubble brigade couldnt be muzzled long enough! And as for Clegg - why am I even mentioning him he has supped with the Devil and dosen't even count any more! Now UKIP will throw the kitchen pus the Peoples Army at this and sink their EU, we will blow them all out in BUBBLES! We will HAMMER the lot of theh YE HAAA!! Edited by Boxter, Nov 21 2014, 08:09 AM.



papasmurf	Nov 21 2014, 08:26 AM Post #7
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	I very much doubt the result will be repeated at the General Election, with a higher turnout.



RJD	Nov 21 2014, 08:26 AM Post #8
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RoofGardener Nov 21 2014, 07:53 AM It's a pretty spectacular result. The ward went from a 9000 Conservative majority to a 3000 UKIP majority. That's quite a swing. I was amused to note that the poor old Liberal Democrats got their come-uppance. They lost almost all of their voters, lost their deposit, and only came in 200 votes ahead of the Raving Monster Loony Party ! The fruits of their "Power, at all costs.." decision to go into coallition with the Tories. Perhaps voters aren't so gullible after all ? In regards Labour, I agree with RJD's comments above. The BNP must be REALLY peeved. Suddenly, everbody is stealing their policies. Who is stealing BNP policies and which ones? I think you will find that the policy of today is the regulation and control of immigration not the banning of it or expatriation of those already here. UKIP's trick has been the appeal to all fractions, white, black or Asian, left, right and middle. UKIP I believe will take a few seats in Labour's heartlands as the Labour Party no longer represents anyone but the vested interests of the Westminster clique.



Boxter	Nov 21 2014, 08:42 AM Post #9
Regular Member Posts: 261 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: Oct 26, 2014	Quote: I very much doubt the result will be repeated at the General Election, with a higher turnout. Thats it another of Camerons comfort blankets smug complacent out opf touch. The gulls have had their fun but will come back like the sheep they are when we want them too. EXCEPT THIS TIME THEY WONT! You lot still havnt got this yet!!



RJD	Nov 21 2014, 08:57 AM Post #10
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Boxter Nov 21 2014, 08:42 AM Quote: I very much doubt the result will be repeated at the General Election, with a higher turnout. Thats it another of Camerons comfort blankets smug complacent out opf touch. The gulls have had their fun but will come back like the sheep they are when we want them too. EXCEPT THIS TIME THEY WONT! You lot still havnt got this yet!! I suspect you are correct, but it is not just Cameron. In Wales we have the choice of either Welsh speaking Labourites or the English speaking variety, but at the last MEP election the UKIP almost one the prize. I think UKIP will get my vote as the Tories, whilst improving their chances, have no chance in a region totally dependent on English subsidies and Welfare Benefits. We only have sheep and tourists with empty pockets.



papasmurf	Nov 21 2014, 09:03 AM Post #11
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Boxter Nov 21 2014, 08:42 AM Thats it another of Camerons comfort blankets smug complacent out opf touch. It is just a pity our so called free press has not reported this speech from a few days ago, Cameron would not be so complacent if they had:- Mo Stewart opening Disability History Month:- http://ukdhm.org/v2/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/DHM-re-edited-speech-18th-Nov-Mo-Stewart.pdf Disability History Month – launch – 18th Nov 2014 WAR & IMPAIRMENT: the social consequences of disablement At the same time as the Prime Minister was waxing lyrically about what this nationowes to British Military Forces and veterans when speaking at the recent Conservative Party Conference, the DWP were busy advising 80,000 disabled War Pensioners that we were about to lose access to DLA and could, if we wished, apply for the new highly discredited PIP award. PIP has a 12 month waiting list for all new applicants and, according to the DWP, a guarantee that the majority will not be successful. By May 2014 only 15.4% of new PIP claims had received a decision, and only 12,654 of the 220,300 people who had made a new claim since April 2013 have been awarded some rate of PIP. This unexpected threat to this nation’s working age War Pensioners was despite the fact that I received a personal telecom from the Cabinet Office 12 months ago, as witnessed by my carer, claiming that the Cabinet had ‘… just agreed that all War Pensioners could keep their DLA for life and will not be reassessed, as an acknowledgement of their service to the nation.’ My opinion was invited and given and, of course, I was delighted with the news. Then, the very nervous caller asked me what this decision would mean for my research? Evidence from the research exposed the WCA, conducted by Atos Healthcare, as being bogus and using a totally discredited assessment model. The WCA was copied from a notorious American corporate insurance giant in order to remove as many as possible from long-term sickness benefits, regardless of the consequences in terms of human suffering. The research has been accepted by the UN and evidence from it has been used in welfare debates in the HOL and especially in the HOC - largely thanks to John McDonnell MP. Ask yourself why the national press will not publish the research evidence accepted by academics throughout the UK? Do we have a free press or a government controlled press?? The same research also exposed the fact that the welfare reforms were totally unrelated to the financial collapse, regardless of repeated gvt claims. The evidence confirmed that the destruction of the welfare state is the legacy of the Thatcher government, and the PM had been waiting for a plausible excuse to justify introducing this long ago planned destruction of the welfare state, masquerading as welfare reforms, as the UK moves ever closer to health care and welfare funded by private insurance. Twelve months later, it seems that the ‘phone call from the Cabinet Office last yearwas an attempt to stop the research and, being naive, I didn’t anticipate that the DWP would now threaten 80,000 working age War Pensioners because my integrity is not for sale. Since the outpouring of public and political outrage the last time the DWP published the mortality figures of the thousands of sick and disabled people who had died, often within weeks of being found fit for work and removed from long-term sickness benefit, the DWP has since refused to publish any more annual death totals. The unelected Lord Freud has far too much authority and the press have blood on their hands. They willingly quote any new DWP fantasy attacking sick and disabled benefit claimants as people are dying, in their thousands, killed by the State. For some of us, this DWP decision to remove DLA from working age disabled older veterans will be a death sentence whilst all other disabled veterans, including War Pensioners over the age of 70, have a government guarantee of DLA for life without any further reassessment, in recognition of their ‘service to the nation.’ ALL disabled veterans were disabled serving this nation and all War Pensioners should be treated the same, regardless of age, and be allowed to retain the promised access to DLA for life. The UN are apparently investigating the UK government for breaches of the disability rights of disabled people and time will tell how long it takes for members of the present UK government to be investigated for the identified crimes against humanity, masquerading as welfare reforms. Members of the House of Lords now compare the Coalition government to 1930s Germany where elderly, sick and disabled people were nothing more than a burden to the State that needed to be removed. Clearly, the social consequences of disablement in C21st UK are the abuses of hard won disability rights by a very dangerous government. There are now in excess of 3 million disability benefit dependent claimants living in fear of imminent destitution or worse, including 80,000 working age War Pensioners. They also fear possible public hostility due to the often extreme press headlines that report the deeply disturbing rhetoric of DWP Ministers, as disability hate crime is now the highest ever recorded. There are reported examples of disabled people being thrown out of their wheelchairs and spat at in the streets, in C21st UK, thanks to disabled people being constantly vilified by DWP Ministers, politicians and commentators who have all joined the band-waggon. Speaking personally, over the past 12 months in particular, I have been very aware of members of the public looking at me in a judgemental manor to the point where some will make derogatory comments, no doubt encouraged by influential press headlines and the Secretary of State’s frequently quoted comments referring to ‘shirkers and skivers.’ There can’t really be any surprise that many sick and disabled people now no longer feel comfortable when venturing out of the safety of their homes into the no-man’s land of public opinion. Many are now prisoners in their own homes, and that includes disabled working age War Pensioners fearing imminent death or destitution. There really isn’t much difference between being incarcerated in institutions or a prisoner in your own home, as independent living is being systematically destroyed by these very dangerous welfare reforms. Few benefit dependent disabled people can possibly absorb a monthly reduction of £300 per month or more without serious or fatal consequences. The removal of DLA from working age War Pensioners is a totally indefensible decision given our much proclaimed ‘service to the nation’ - as frequently acknowledged by the PM only when in front of the TV cameras. Copyright © Mo Stewart, 18th November 2014



disgruntled porker	Nov 21 2014, 09:30 AM Post #12
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	RJD Nov 21 2014, 07:42 AM Heinrich Nov 21 2014, 06:06 AM He was the Tory-cum-UKIP incumbent who will have a fight on his hands to retain the seat in the upcoming general election. I doubt he will be complacent and fight he will. But UKIP now appear to have some momentum and will expect to take some Labour scalps. I understand they have their eye on Milli's seat in Doncaster. Whatever the outcome they have dragged Labour even further to the right and they will in the next 6 months move more. Nothing to do with conviction it is all about what buys votes. Never mind Milliput, I bet Cleggy's pampers are getting well full.



Heinrich	Nov 21 2014, 10:01 AM Post #13
Regular Guy Posts: 2,920 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: Jul 22, 2014	disgruntled porker Nov 21 2014, 09:30 AM RJD Nov 21 2014, 07:42 AM Heinrich Nov 21 2014, 06:06 AM He was the Tory-cum-UKIP incumbent who will have a fight on his hands to retain the seat in the upcoming general election. I doubt he will be complacent and fight he will. But UKIP now appear to have some momentum and will expect to take some Labour scalps. I understand they have their eye on Milli's seat in Doncaster. Whatever the outcome they have dragged Labour even further to the right and they will in the next 6 months move more. Nothing to do with conviction it is all about what buys votes. Never mind Milliput, I bet Cleggy's pampers are getting well full. Perhaps Liberal Democrats will defect to a revived radical Liberal Party.



Affa	Nov 21 2014, 11:57 AM Post #14
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Reckless got 23,604 votes in 2010 on a lower turn out than yesterday. Tory vote 2014 = 13,947 ..... -9,657 Turnout was 50.67%. Reckless received 16,867 votes or 42.1% of the 40,113 votes cast, getting 2,920 more votes than the runner-up.



RJD	Nov 21 2014, 12:04 PM Post #15
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	disgruntled porker Nov 21 2014, 09:30 AM RJD Nov 21 2014, 07:42 AM Heinrich Nov 21 2014, 06:06 AM He was the Tory-cum-UKIP incumbent who will have a fight on his hands to retain the seat in the upcoming general election. I doubt he will be complacent and fight he will. But UKIP now appear to have some momentum and will expect to take some Labour scalps. I understand they have their eye on Milli's seat in Doncaster. Whatever the outcome they have dragged Labour even further to the right and they will in the next 6 months move more. Nothing to do with conviction it is all about what buys votes. Never mind Milliput, I bet Cleggy's pampers are getting well full. Why? Bet you he is on a promise of a plumb EU job from Cameron. These Politicians look after each other no matter what Party. Look how Major rewarded the Welsh Windbag who had totally failed in UK political terms. He went from being anti-EU to having all his family sucking on the EU tit.



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