Hyaenas turning on hyaenas

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Hyaenas turning on hyaenas
Topic Started: Nov 22 2014, 11:18 AM (105 Views)
D-L	Nov 22 2014, 11:18 AM Post #1
Junior Member Posts: 72 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	UKIP: Reckless accuses Farage of EU migrants U-turn Newly-elected UKIP MP Mark Reckless has accused party leader Nigel Farage of a policy U-turn over EU migration. In an interview with the Times, the Rochester and Strood MP says: "The policy changed on Wednesday and I'm a bit sore about how I came out of that." The former Tory sparked controversy on Tuesday when he implied EU migrants might have to leave the UK after a "transitional period" if Britain left. Mr Farage denied this, saying those who had entered legally could stay. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30157507 Ultra-zealots attacking super-zealots for not being zealous enough.



Affa	Nov 22 2014, 03:10 PM Post #2
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	It is a question of citizenship surely ....... only that gives anyone the right to remain. Visas are worthless if they don't have an expiry date. This spat is posturing, a false issue, there is no argument to be made.



RJD	Nov 22 2014, 03:23 PM Post #3
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Meanwhile closer to home: Quote: The more cerebral of Ed Miliband’s team have always been sceptical about the capacity for Labour to win on immigration and nervous about the boost it gives Ukip. This is terrain where Labour has made literally zero progress since 2010 and is mistrusted by over 4 in 5 voters. Just before the last election in a YouGov poll, 15% trusted Labour on the subject; a couple of weeks ago it was still 15%. - Labour Uncut. So not trusted on the economy and not trusted on immigration Labour has to hope that UKIP deliver them the keys to No.10 as they cannot get them via merit. Is this the tipping point for Labour? Will it now go rapidly into terminal decline and the rump left as the political wing of the Public Sector Unions? UKIP are out hunting for their 1st Labour defector.



Tigger	Nov 22 2014, 03:28 PM Post #4
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:23 PM Meanwhile closer to home: Quote: The more cerebral of Ed Miliband’s team have always been sceptical about the capacity for Labour to win on immigration and nervous about the boost it gives Ukip. This is terrain where Labour has made literally zero progress since 2010 and is mistrusted by over 4 in 5 voters. Just before the last election in a YouGov poll, 15% trusted Labour on the subject; a couple of weeks ago it was still 15%. - Labour Uncut. So not trusted on the economy and not trusted on immigration Labour has to hope that UKIP deliver them the keys to No.10 as they cannot get them via merit. Is this the tipping point for Labour? Will it now go rapidly into terminal decline and the rump left as the political wing of the Public Sector Unions? UKIP are out hunting for their 1st Labour defector. ^That looks suspiciously like a piss poor diversion to me! Find the OP not to your taste? The conversation I'm really looking forward to is the one between Douglas the banks are a conspiracy against the British people Carswell and Nigel the city is a hub of innovation Farage. Can't wait for that one!



Curious Cdn	Nov 22 2014, 03:30 PM Post #5
Frozen Member Posts: 4,818 Group: Members Member #41 Joined: Jul 1, 2014	Hyaenas turning on hyaenas I thought that is was another thread about the demise of the UK Debate Forum



RJD	Nov 22 2014, 03:35 PM Post #6
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Nov 22 2014, 03:28 PM RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:23 PM Meanwhile closer to home: Quote: The more cerebral of Ed Miliband’s team have always been sceptical about the capacity for Labour to win on immigration and nervous about the boost it gives Ukip. This is terrain where Labour has made literally zero progress since 2010 and is mistrusted by over 4 in 5 voters. Just before the last election in a YouGov poll, 15% trusted Labour on the subject; a couple of weeks ago it was still 15%. - Labour Uncut. So not trusted on the economy and not trusted on immigration Labour has to hope that UKIP deliver them the keys to No.10 as they cannot get them via merit. Is this the tipping point for Labour? Will it now go rapidly into terminal decline and the rump left as the political wing of the Public Sector Unions? UKIP are out hunting for their 1st Labour defector. ^That looks suspiciously like a piss poor diversion to me! Find the OP not to your taste? The conversation I'm really looking forward to is the one between Douglas the banks are a conspiracy against the British people Carswell and Nigel the city is a hub of innovation Farage. Can't wait for that one! To you yes. But you are just banging your lone little tin drum which nobody listens to as it is both hollow and sharp at one and the same time.



papasmurf	Nov 22 2014, 03:37 PM Post #7
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:23 PM Is this the tipping point for Labour? The same could be asked about the Tories. The media are going to have to give in and start reporting the sheer pressure of Tory cockups building up.



Tigger	Nov 22 2014, 03:37 PM Post #8
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Yes, and you have all the credibility of a nine bob note and the gravitas of a feather.



marybrown	Nov 22 2014, 03:38 PM Post #9
Senior Member Posts: 10,516 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: Jul 27, 2014	Quite frankly..I am losing confidence in Farage...He makes one comment in one part of the country...and then disagrees with himself in another part.. He seems he is too laid back..and letting his promise of getting us out of the EU work for him..... Is he really P.M. material??



Tigger	Nov 22 2014, 03:38 PM Post #10
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 22 2014, 03:37 PM RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:23 PM Is this the tipping point for Labour? The same could be asked about the Tories. The media are going to have to give in and start reporting the sheer pressure of Tory cockups building up. (psst) He's diverting attention away from this and doubtless future hammering's the Tories will receive, don't feed him.



papasmurf	Nov 22 2014, 03:41 PM Post #11
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Nov 22 2014, 03:38 PM He's diverting attention away from this and doubtless future hammering's the Tories will receive, don't feed him. He has been denying there are any Tory ups for the last 4 years.



Deleted User	Nov 22 2014, 03:43 PM Post #12
Deleted User	Farage will say whatever he thinks the great unwashed want to hear. Didnt you lot know that?
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Tigger	Nov 22 2014, 03:43 PM Post #13
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 22 2014, 03:41 PM Tigger Nov 22 2014, 03:38 PM He's diverting attention away from this and doubtless future hammering's the Tories will receive, don't feed him. He has been denying there are any Tory ups for the last 4 years. Don't worry I'm here for those reminders.



RJD	Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM Post #14
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 22 2014, 03:37 PM RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:23 PM Is this the tipping point for Labour? The same could be asked about the Tories. The media are going to have to give in and start reporting the sheer pressure of Tory cockups building up. I think that is also true, but whist the Tories have some difficulties they are not so fundamental as those facing Labour. The Tories know what they are for even if many do not like them, Labour have lost all connection with their roots and now cannot articulate a strategy. What are Labour for? Labour held itself together when they were high on the the Public Spending drug, they could all applaud that, but those times are over and we are in for a very long haul of cutting and even more cuts. They have picked at the easy hanging fat, now the established brown variety on the surface on the muscles will hurt. It does not matter who is in Office the cuts are inevitable, the Politicians can only tinker at the margins. Joe Public knows about and expects the cuts and they are running in droves to vote for a Party, namely UKIP, which like as not would, given the chance, cut fast and deep. The drift is further to the right, Tory + UKIP, will Milli follow suit? Or will his Paymasters stay his hand?



RJD	Nov 22 2014, 03:53 PM Post #15
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 22 2014, 03:41 PM Tigger Nov 22 2014, 03:38 PM He's diverting attention away from this and doubtless future hammering's the Tories will receive, don't feed him. He has been denying there are any Tory ups for the last 4 years. A bare faced lie or you have reading difficulties or understanding basic English. That said the Tories took a pasting the other night, so what? But Labour were hammered into oblivion in a seat they recently held. The boundary changes were minor and cannot be used as a cover for the fact that Labour has lost the C2 white van driver vote.



papasmurf	Nov 22 2014, 03:56 PM Post #16
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM I think that is also true, but whist the Tories have some difficulties they are not so fundamental as those facing Labour. They will have when the cock-ups go public domain. It will be like the choice the French had do you wants the racists or the thieves.



Tigger	Nov 22 2014, 04:00 PM Post #17
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM The Tories know what they are for even if many do not like them, The trouble is it has now become abundantly clear to everyone else what the Tories are really for! Hence the battering at the hands of "fellow travellers" UKIP! Only a fool would not understand this concept.



RJD	Nov 22 2014, 04:04 PM Post #18
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Nov 22 2014, 04:00 PM RJD Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM The Tories know what they are for even if many do not like them, The trouble is it has now become abundantly clear to everyone else what the Tories are really for! Hence the battering at the hands of "fellow travellers" UKIP! Only a fool would not understand this concept. But the even bigger battering received by Labour you leave out of the equation. A bit thick of you is it not? If you could understand English which I doubt, you would have spotted that I said that the Tories have policies that not everyone will like, but Labour's problem was find any worth articulating. Now be a good boy, stop being a rather dim little Tribalist and stop your trolling as it makes you look rather silly.



Malum Unus	Nov 22 2014, 06:39 PM Post #19
Hater of Political Correctness and Legalese Posts: 1,389 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	marybrown Nov 22 2014, 03:38 PM Is he really P.M. material?? Are ANY of them... Really? Personally I don't think so, so it falls to voting in whatever party who's 'principles' (and I use that word VERY loosely) most match your own preferences.



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