Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

papasmurf

Nov 22 2014, 02:34 PM

Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

Just one problem with that is when the house/van owner bothers to vote, he votes Tory.

Affa

Nov 22 2014, 03:00 PM

She posted a picture and the words "Image from Rochester".
How can anybody conclude that she was "snobbish", "insulting" - the man most likely was flattered to have raised so much attention to his display of patriotism - until the Tory media wound him up, that is.

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 03:06 PM

Affa

Nov 22 2014, 03:00 PM

She posted a picture and the words "Image from Rochester".
How can anybody conclude that she was "snobbish", "insulting" - the man most likely was flattered to have raised so much attention to his display of patriotism - until the Tory media wound him up, that is.

Actually I think it was Milli that wound this up. I though her picture was something to do with hanging the flag upside down and did not spot the slur. She should have been pro-active and said "yes this is the sort of Voter we need to get our message to" and not hang her head like a bitch Cocker Spaniel who had been found out for p155ing on the furniture. I am afraid Milli made a fist of it.

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM

She was ill advised to make the point but still had a point to make. Turning her critics point on its head...do you think the Labour ' core voters' are St George flag waving blokes with a white van parked outside?

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 03:56 PM

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM

She was ill advised to make the point but still had a point to make. Turning her critics point on its head...do you think the Labour ' core voters' are St George flag waving blokes with a white van parked outside?

No. But Labour thought they still were. Labour had a good majority in this seat until recently.
Whilst the Tories lost and can take no comfort, Labour were hammered and their core vote turned against them.

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:58 PM

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 03:56 PM

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM

She was ill advised to make the point but still had a point to make. Turning her critics point on its head...do you think the Labour ' core voters' are St George flag waving blokes with a white van parked outside?

No. But Labour thought they still were. Labour had a good majority in this seat until recently.
Whilst the Tories lost and can take no comfort, Labour were hammered and their core vote turned against them.

Obviously she tweeted this picture to point out what UKIP voters would look like not what Labour voters would.
Is that not obvious?

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 04:00 PM

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:58 PM

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 03:56 PM

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM

She was ill advised to make the point but still had a point to make. Turning her critics point on its head...do you think the Labour ' core voters' are St George flag waving blokes with a white van parked outside?

No. But Labour thought they still were. Labour had a good majority in this seat until recently.
Whilst the Tories lost and can take no comfort, Labour were hammered and their core vote turned against them.

Obviously she tweeted this picture to point out what UKIP voters would look like not what Labour voters would.
Is that not obvious?

No. I have no idea what her motivations were. Maybe she was sneering, I have no idea. Milli clearly made up his mind that it is best to show "respect". You have to larf.

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 02:44 PM

papasmurf

Nov 22 2014, 02:34 PM

Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

Just one problem with that is when the house/van owner bothers to vote, he votes Tory.

Problem for Milli as Labour are losing their grip on the C2 voters they have for long taken for granted. Just watch during the next weeks and months Labour move further to the right.
It appears to be true, we are witnessing a realignment in politics and the old left right axis as being replaced or made more complicated by the EU and immigration issues. UKIP see Labour Voters as now a soft target as they believe they have little left to penetrate in the Tory heartland. I suspect a deal is on the cards as the quarry, namely Milli with Labour, looks weak and vulnerable.

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM

She was ill advised to make the point but still had a point to make. Turning her critics point on its head...do you think the Labour ' core voters' are St George flag waving blokes with a white van parked outside?

Major Sinic

Nov 22 2014, 06:42 PM

gansao

Nov 22 2014, 03:49 PM

She was ill advised to make the point but still had a point to make. Turning her critics point on its head...do you think the Labour ' core voters' are St George flag waving blokes with a white van parked outside?

No, I think Emily's view and her tweet was that it is representative of the less attractive side of UKIP.

Affa

Nov 22 2014, 03:00 PM

She posted a picture and the words "Image from Rochester".

Cymru

Nov 22 2014, 09:35 PM

Affa

Nov 22 2014, 03:00 PM

She posted a picture and the words "Image from Rochester".

The implication was obvious.

C-too

Nov 22 2014, 05:09 PM

RJD

Nov 22 2014, 02:44 PM

papasmurf

Nov 22 2014, 02:34 PM

Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

Just one problem with that is when the house/van owner bothers to vote, he votes Tory.

Problem for Milli as Labour are losing their grip on the C2 voters they have for long taken for granted. Just watch during the next weeks and months Labour move further to the right.
It appears to be true, we are witnessing a realignment in politics and the old left right axis as being replaced or made more complicated by the EU and immigration issues. UKIP see Labour Voters as now a soft target as they believe they have little left to penetrate in the Tory heartland. I suspect a deal is on the cards as the quarry, namely Milli with Labour, looks weak and vulnerable.

Are you suggesting Labour are moving back to the NL position?

Quote:

 

“England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 11:15 AM

Quote:

 

“England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”

Eric Arthur Blair

Were they related?

papasmurf

Nov 22 2014, 02:34 PM

Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

Just one problem with that is when the house/van owner bothers to vote, he votes Tory.

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 11:24 AM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 11:15 AM

Quote:

 

“England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”

Eric Arthur Blair

Were they related?

T Blair never had any qualms about helping himself to money or starting wars.

He was very Conservative in that respect............

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 01:15 PM

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 11:24 AM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 11:15 AM

Quote:

 

“England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”

Eric Arthur Blair

Were they related?

T Blair never had any qualms about helping himself to money or starting wars.

He was very Conservative in that respect............

So what? I was referring to his name and communication skills. Eric was also once a Fellow Traveller.

I think most understand why it is that Milli says "respect" for a white van man it sounds totally insincere. He is part of the clique that sneered at us every time we wished to discuss immigration or the EU. Still get the same ignorant types who rabbit on about "little Englanders" etc. visiting here.

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 01:23 PM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 01:15 PM

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 11:24 AM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 11:15 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

T Blair never had any qualms about helping himself to money or starting wars.

He was very Conservative in that respect............

So what? I was referring to his name and communication skills. Eric was also once a Fellow Traveller.

I think most understand why it is that Milli says "respect" for a white van man it sounds totally insincere. He is part of the clique that sneered at us every time we wished to discuss immigration or the EU. Still get the same ignorant types who rabbit on about "little Englanders" etc. visiting here.

Well when I look at both front benches in Parliament I am struck by how little I have in common with any of them, they are insular, detached from everyday life and seem almost in a sense foreign to me such is the level of disconnect, they are London centric, pander to the shitty metropolitan press and need special advisor's to coach them in how to respond and react with the public.

No wonder the majority of us have had a bellyful of it all.

Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

Silly old Emily Thornberry destroying her otherwise promising political career with a couple of ill thought out clicks.

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

Her resignation and public shaming followed as surely as night follows day.

Actually Labour have always had a rather patronising attitude towards their core vote, seeing them as ‘little people’ in need of help from the concerned middle classes.

Thornberry’s crime was, apart from snobbery, being clumsier in how she articulated her prejudices than most of her colleagues.

Whether Ed Milliband feels ‘respect’ whenever he sees a white van is immaterial since as a leader he is too ineffectual to change the culture of his party.

What working class Britons need is a party that works with rather than on them to address their concerns.

Labour have proved themselves incapable of being such a party, maybe it’s time to give someone like the Greens a chance?

jaguar

Nov 23 2014, 01:56 PM

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 01:23 PM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 01:15 PM

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 11:24 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

So what? I was referring to his name and communication skills. Eric was also once a Fellow Traveller.

I think most understand why it is that Milli says "respect" for a white van man it sounds totally insincere. He is part of the clique that sneered at us every time we wished to discuss immigration or the EU. Still get the same ignorant types who rabbit on about "little Englanders" etc. visiting here.

Well when I look at both front benches in Parliament I am struck by how little I have in common with any of them, they are insular, detached from everyday life and seem almost in a sense foreign to me such is the level of disconnect, they are London centric, pander to the shitty metropolitan press and need special advisor's to coach them in how to respond and react with the public.

No wonder the majority of us have had a bellyful of it all.

It could explain why the turnout at elections are so low.

That's why I believe Miliband recognised the problem straight away.
The tweet CONFIRMED what so many believe about the wealthy left/liberal elite section of his Party. They live well away from the ordinary voter in provincial towns; they know nothing of manual work and often nothing other than politics; they have no idea how the other half live. Not only don't they understand those people and those areas but some (like Emily Thornberry) don't even want to know - they are social, political, and intellectual snobs.

The laughable thing is that some, like Miliband himself, got elected in such constituencies. On the few occasions he visits his constituency (usually when he wants to get re-elected) it must feel like a foreign country to him.

jaguar

Nov 23 2014, 01:56 PM

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 01:23 PM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 01:15 PM

Tigger

Nov 23 2014, 11:24 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

So what? I was referring to his name and communication skills. Eric was also once a Fellow Traveller.

I think most understand why it is that Milli says "respect" for a white van man it sounds totally insincere. He is part of the clique that sneered at us every time we wished to discuss immigration or the EU. Still get the same ignorant types who rabbit on about "little Englanders" etc. visiting here.

Well when I look at both front benches in Parliament I am struck by how little I have in common with any of them, they are insular, detached from everyday life and seem almost in a sense foreign to me such is the level of disconnect, they are London centric, pander to the shitty metropolitan press and need special advisor's to coach them in how to respond and react with the public.

No wonder the majority of us have had a bellyful of it all.

It could explain why the turnout at elections are so low.

That's why I believe Miliband recognised the problem straight away.
The tweet CONFIRMED what so many believe about the wealthy left/liberal elite section of his Party. They live well away from the ordinary voter in provincial towns; they know nothing of manual work and often nothing other than politics; they have no idea how the other half live. Not only don't they understand those people and those areas but some (like Emily Thornberry) don't even want to know - they are social, political, and intellectual snobs.

The laughable thing is that some, like Miliband himself, got elected in such constituencies. On the few occasions he visits his constituency (usually when he wants to get re-elected) it must feel like a foreign country to him.

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 06:30 PM

jaguar

Nov 23 2014, 01:56 PM

That's why I believe Miliband recognised the problem straight away.
The tweet CONFIRMED what so many believe about the wealthy left/liberal elite section of his Party. They live well away from the ordinary voter in provincial towns; they know nothing of manual work and often nothing other than politics; they have no idea how the other half live. Not only don't they understand those people and those areas but some (like Emily Thornberry) don't even want to know - they are social, political, and intellectual snobs.

The laughable thing is that some, like Miliband himself, got elected in such constituencies. On the few occasions he visits his constituency (usually when he wants to get re-elected) it must feel like a foreign country to him.

Milli might lose his Donni seat, it is a target for UKIP and he is not loved by the locals.

jaguar

Nov 23 2014, 07:04 PM

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 06:30 PM

jaguar

Nov 23 2014, 01:56 PM

That's why I believe Miliband recognised the problem straight away.
The tweet CONFIRMED what so many believe about the wealthy left/liberal elite section of his Party. They live well away from the ordinary voter in provincial towns; they know nothing of manual work and often nothing other than politics; they have no idea how the other half live. Not only don't they understand those people and those areas but some (like Emily Thornberry) don't even want to know - they are social, political, and intellectual snobs.

The laughable thing is that some, like Miliband himself, got elected in such constituencies. On the few occasions he visits his constituency (usually when he wants to get re-elected) it must feel like a foreign country to him.

Milli might lose his Donni seat, it is a target for UKIP and he is not loved by the locals.

If that should happen, the Tories will lose their greatest asset.

Affa

Nov 24 2014, 03:09 PM

She was raised on a council estate.
I still say that this was not resignation cause!
Once more the bloodhounds have their victim ........ and Jeremy Hunt remains in the Cabinet after breaking the Ministerial code.

jaguar

Nov 24 2014, 03:23 PM

Affa

Nov 24 2014, 03:09 PM

She was raised on a council estate.
I still say that this was not resignation cause!
Once more the bloodhounds have their victim ........ and Jeremy Hunt remains in the Cabinet after breaking the Ministerial code.

So it can safely be assumed that you are in full support of MP's who post pics of houses, without getting the owner's permission, just to make a derogatory point about the owner.

Affa

Nov 24 2014, 03:09 PM

She was raised on a council estate.
I still say that this was not resignation cause!
Once more the bloodhounds have their victim ........ and Jeremy Hunt remains in the Cabinet after breaking the Ministerial code.

papasmurf

Nov 22 2014, 02:34 PM

Wat Tyler

Nov 22 2014, 02:26 PM

During the Rochester by-election campaign she posted on twitter a photograph of a terraced house festooned with flags with a white van parked outside that was deemed to be snobbish and insulting to Labour supporters.

Just one problem with that is when the house/van owner bothers to vote, he votes Tory.

Tigger

Nov 24 2014, 08:00 PM

Affa

Nov 24 2014, 03:09 PM

She was raised on a council estate.
I still say that this was not resignation cause!
Once more the bloodhounds have their victim ........ and Jeremy Hunt remains in the Cabinet after breaking the Ministerial code.

In my experience some of the biggest snobs and pompous arses are those who consider they have climbed the greasy pole all by themselves, she sounds like one of them, it's been said that you cannot buy class, perhaps in her instance it might be true?

jaguar

Nov 24 2014, 08:09 PM

Tigger

Nov 24 2014, 08:00 PM

Affa

Nov 24 2014, 03:09 PM

She was raised on a council estate.
I still say that this was not resignation cause!
Once more the bloodhounds have their victim ........ and Jeremy Hunt remains in the Cabinet after breaking the Ministerial code.

In my experience some of the biggest snobs and pompous arses are those who consider they have climbed the greasy pole all by themselves, she sounds like one of them, it's been said that you cannot buy class, perhaps in her instance it might be true?

I agree But surely a public apology would have been better, not to mention a full explanation of why it was done.

Personally I think it is disgusting the way the Press hound politicians, as it is not professional. They are not reporting the news they are trying to make the news.

RJD

Nov 23 2014, 11:15 AM

Quote:

 

“England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”

Eric Arthur Blair

Were they related?