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| Topic Started: Nov 23 2014, 11:51 AM (767 Views) | |
| morayloon | Nov 23 2014, 11:51 AM Post #1 |
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Independence is still very much on the agenda. The SNP now has over 92.000 members and 12,000 filled the Glasgow Hydro arena yesterday for an SNP rally. Nicola Sturgeon had been on a sell out tour of Scotland, culminating in the massive Glasgow rally. The 45 is truly alive and looking forward to the next test of public opinion on the constitutional question. For those of you who thought the matter was finished with, think again!!! |
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| Tigger | Nov 23 2014, 11:58 AM Post #2 |
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I think you'll get a second chance at independence before long, if England lurches to the right and extracts itself from the EU the blaming of foreigners for most of our ills will no longer be an option, the brief celebrations will give way to the realisation that most of our problems were self inflicted after all, England will then descend into a mass of self pity and the blame gamers will be looking for fresh excuses. I wish we had the chance to get rid of Westminster........ |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 12:42 PM Post #3 |
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Two votes both said no, Is it a case of just voting until the yes voters win? |
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| marybrown | Nov 23 2014, 12:45 PM Post #4 |
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The people of Scotland voted ''no''to independance... How much longer are they going to bang on about it? |
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| avagrumble | Nov 23 2014, 12:55 PM Post #5 |
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Nicola Stergeon is venomously against the UK union, and my bet is that she will continue to badger for a referendum every five years or so until the vote goes her way. There will then NEVER be another referendum, Scotland will be on its own. |
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| RJD | Nov 23 2014, 01:19 PM Post #6 |
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If England votes to leave the EU, which it may, then it will drag Scotland with it. Even the little Myopes have run out of steam and are beginning, slowly, to understand that the EU is heading in the wrong direction and is beyond reform. |
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| morayloon | Nov 23 2014, 02:01 PM Post #7 |
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| morayloon | Nov 23 2014, 02:05 PM Post #8 |
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The 45 accept the result. They however reserve the right to force another referendum. An out decision by the UK in 2017, whilst Scotland votes to remain, will do it!!! |
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| marybrown | Nov 23 2014, 02:11 PM Post #9 |
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I was all for Scotland gaining it's independence.. What I wasn't in for was their insistence on keeping the pound.. So if it all went tits up...we went down with them.. |
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| AndyK | Nov 23 2014, 02:25 PM Post #10 |
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The little Scotlanders are still at it? |
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| marybrown | Nov 23 2014, 02:29 PM Post #11 |
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Why is it that you cannot pay for anything in England with a Scottish £20 note??..(serious question!).. |
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| Tigger | Nov 23 2014, 02:39 PM Post #12 |
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You can spend them in England, but you do not have to accept them in the same way you might refuse to accept Euros or even English notes if you want to be pedantic about it. One possible explanation is that being unfamiliar with a particular note you might not know if it was genuine or not. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 02:39 PM Post #13 |
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You can |
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| somersetli | Nov 23 2014, 02:41 PM Post #14 |
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And if Scotland votes OUT as well?...................what then. You know you are preaching to the converted here. If Scotland wants out of the UK, it's fine by most people in England, just get on and do it. However, I seem to recall that when they were asked last September they voted to remain in. What is now the problem? |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 02:42 PM Post #15 |
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Do they really except the vote,,did wee Alec not say this would be it for a generation, Not many believed it when he said that,,looks like they were right |
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| marybrown | Nov 23 2014, 02:46 PM Post #16 |
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No you can't..businesses won't accept them..It's like trying to pay with Monopoly money.. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 02:55 PM Post #17 |
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I have used them to buy things down in England many times |
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| AndyK | Nov 23 2014, 03:05 PM Post #18 |
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Scottish pound is not legal tender, legal currency but not tender. Similar to Jersey and Guernsey pounds. |
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| marybrown | Nov 23 2014, 03:05 PM Post #19 |
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The Association of Commercial Banknote Issuers states: "The term 'legal tender' has very little practical meaning as far as ordinary, everyday transactions are concerned, and it has no bearing on the acceptability of authorised banknotes as a means of payment …" Crucially, it adds: "The acceptability of any means of payment, including banknotes, is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties involved." English shopkeepers who are unfamiliar with them may refuse to accept Scottish or Northern Irish notes. |
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| Alberich | Nov 23 2014, 03:11 PM Post #20 |
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About time we had a referendum on ENGLISH independence! I'm up to here with those ungrateful sods north of the border. WE could manage very well on our own; which is more than can be said for Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 03:19 PM Post #21 |
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You were right when you said they may refuse to accept them,,but some do |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 03:20 PM Post #22 |
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Why were the parties all up here looking for a no vote then |
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| morayloon | Nov 23 2014, 03:23 PM Post #23 |
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We would have no grievance if that happened. However, the campaign for Independence will not go away. At the moment there is no problem. However there was a massive Grassroots campaign with thousands of newly politicised people becoming involved. Their aspirations, as well those of the 'old stagers', may have been thwarted but the dream lives on. It is not only the SNPs membership that has soared, the Scottish Greens added 3000 and the SSPs also went up dramatically. The tens of thousands of new activists will not be diverted from the ultimate goal. The task is to persuade just a few thousand people to come over. The fact of life that old people die will also help. The 60+ age group was overwhelmingly against. |
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| morayloon | Nov 23 2014, 03:27 PM Post #24 |
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Ungrateful? Explain yourself, please As for Scotland not being able to survive, I urge you to check out the GERS reports. Even Better Together accepted that an Independent Scotland would be a successful country. |
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| somersetli | Nov 23 2014, 04:36 PM Post #25 |
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You don't have to convince us.............You have to convince those Scots w/o voted for the status quo. God luck to you. Edited by somersetli, Nov 23 2014, 04:37 PM.
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 04:37 PM Post #26 |
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Looks like you cant except the vote, , when do you want the next one |
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| Deleted User | Nov 23 2014, 04:41 PM Post #27 |
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Exactly. 55% against 45% voted to stay in the union and the same old SNP bores are still barking up the wrong tree. Why not save their breath for the Scots who were not convinced ? |
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| Oddball 2014 | Nov 23 2014, 05:00 PM Post #28 |
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I think you are right when it comes to the familiarity issue. Close to the border, English businesses used to be fairly relaxed about Scottish currency - I'm not sure what the situation is now. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 23 2014, 06:13 PM Post #29 |
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So you don't know but you commented on the topc |
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| RJD | Nov 23 2014, 06:20 PM Post #30 |
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Exactly if I trust you I would be happy to accept your IOU. It is all about trust and if the £Scottish is backed to £Sterling then I would trust it. I have avoided anything to do with Euros for the last three years. |
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| morayloon | Nov 24 2014, 01:36 PM Post #31 |
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The fact that we continue annoys you? Tough!!! Many people were invigorated by the campaign, many of those were new political activists. They won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Events will take the issue back on top of the Scottish political agenda. A majority SNP Government in 2016 followed by a UK majority to leave the EU will kick start the Indyref process (if, of course, the Scottish result is to stay in). Why are we barking up the wrong tree? We believe that Scotland should be an Independent and have every right to continue with this aim. With a base of 45%, we only need a swing of just over 5%. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 24 2014, 01:47 PM Post #32 |
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Why should it annoy me? Maybe it should annoy the clear majority of Scots who were not convinced by the SNP rhetoric but that is up to them. With a base of 55% it only needs a 5% swing of no voters to make it a huge 60% majority. What I do not want is Scottish politics to degenerate into a Dutch auction between Westminster and SNP politicians. I have a feeling that the majority of the NO voters will look as cynically at the SNP drum beaters as they will at Westminster. |
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| Montjoie | Nov 24 2014, 02:05 PM Post #33 |
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Need I remind people that the Scottish didn't vote for the status quo, since devo max was promised to the no voters. Therefore, a future new vote on independence can't be ruled out in the case of Westminster failing to deliver on that promise. Edited by Montjoie, Nov 24 2014, 02:05 PM.
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| Steve K | Nov 24 2014, 02:15 PM Post #34 |
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Yep And they should get another vote in say 10 years anyway. As long as there is a significant element of Scotland that wants independence then a vote should be held at least once a generation. Oh and THANKS for taking the picture out of that signature |
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| Deleted User | Nov 24 2014, 02:15 PM Post #35 |
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That is a very good point because it highlights that the YES/NO campaign actually did become a Dutch auction between Westminster and SNP politicians and one the SNP is keen to continue). However I hope that Westminster does not implement this at the cost of the rest of the UK even if it means another referendum in the near future. It remains to be seen just how much the NO voters were influenced by late promises..my guess is not much but they MAY be influenced by broken ones( and the SNP drum bangers will use this to their advantage) |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2014, 02:18 PM Post #36 |
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Yes..that's all very well..apparently according to you..Scotland is a rich country.. Then why did they want to keep the pound? Was it to fall back on us if things didn't go quite as they planned?? Scotland voted ''No'' get over it! No doubt your mini-hitlers will convince some of the people.. It's up for grabs..the same self-serving politicians we have here.. They don't care about Scotland..they are feathering their own nests..and you are falling for it!! |
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| Affa | Nov 24 2014, 05:21 PM Post #37 |
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The folly of making promises one finds difficult, if not impossible, to keep. Our PM has made an habit out of it! |
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| Deleted User | Nov 24 2014, 05:28 PM Post #38 |
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Indeed and the SNP know it! I suspect that even without the promise of Devo max the Scots still would have voted to stay in the union. |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2014, 05:50 PM Post #39 |
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of course.they are being duped with Scottish Nationalism.. Aye..The Heather..the Kilts..The Loch Ness monster... The oil... We will chuck your Trident submarines out of Gare Loch... |
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| morayloon | Nov 24 2014, 07:51 PM Post #40 |
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We will have another vote in three or four years time if we return a majority SNP govt in 2016 and if the UK votes to come out of Europe whilst the Scots vote to remain. |
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