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Honey Pot Britain
Topic Started: Nov 25 2014, 09:00 AM (1,494 Views)
RJD	Nov 25 2014, 09:00 AM Post #1
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Quote: The Open Europe figures show that in Spain, the average weekly take-home pay after tax for a single parent with two children is £362; in Poland it is £269 and in Bulgaria £149. In Britain, a worker on the minimum wage would earn £196, but that is increased by tax credits and other benefits to £527. It means workers moving to the UK from Spain see their earnings go up 45 per cent, from Poland by 95 per cent and from Bulgaria by a staggering 253 per cent. DM Honey Pot Britain was designed in from Day One. This Gov. has cut inward migration from none EU countries to the levels of 1997 and will get them down further, but from the EU-8 they are stubbornly high and rising. Why? Bloody obvious in it, it's the in work Tax Credits. Only by blocking access for a period, 1 or 2 years say, for new arrivals will we inhibit them from coming here or we can just get rid of them for everyone, see wages rise and numbers of jobs decline. You choose.

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ACH1967	Nov 28 2014, 01:04 PM Post #81
Senior Member Posts: 4,226 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: Jul 24, 2014	Heinrich Nov 28 2014, 12:44 PM Some English people think that if income inequality is worse in India or say, Zimbabwe, then it is not anything to worry about. They probably think they still control the British Empire. Some people called Hinerich beleive the moon is made of cheese



ACH1967	Nov 28 2014, 01:05 PM Post #82
Senior Member Posts: 4,226 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: Jul 24, 2014	papasmurf Nov 28 2014, 12:58 PM ACH1967 Nov 28 2014, 12:44 PM And the statement "the majority of people would have a better income if we lived in a more equal" should be in the OED under peurile. It is a pathetic document that is an insult to anyones intellgigence although clearly not PS' (just kidding) The majority of people would be better off so I don't see your problem. Of course you don't



RJD	Nov 28 2014, 03:56 PM Post #83
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Do these comparisons include tax credits? According to the FT if you do include these plus the rise in asset prices (property) then there has not been much of a change for decades. There is a glib acceptance that because the differences are huge then they must ipso facto be unacceptable. But on what basis?



RJD	Nov 28 2014, 04:02 PM Post #84
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 28 2014, 12:58 PM ACH1967 Nov 28 2014, 12:44 PM And the statement "the majority of people would have a better income if we lived in a more equal" should be in the OED under peurile. It is a pathetic document that is an insult to anyones intellgigence although clearly not PS' (just kidding) The majority of people would be better off so I don't see your problem. How better off? It is clear that consumption would increase. The consumption of imported products would increase. At a time when the settled view is that the UK needs to rebalance it's economy away from consumption and towards greater manufacturing how does such a strategy assist in achieving such an objective? Also again and again how is this to be achieved in a sustainable manner without unacceptable damage to the economy? How are you going to shift £20b PA from the top to the bottom in a sustainable manner without harm to the UK economy? Maybe by issuing Vouchers that can only be redeemed on goods manufactured in the UK? I am sure the EU would love that!



papasmurf	Nov 28 2014, 04:19 PM Post #85
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 28 2014, 04:02 PM How better off? More money in their pocket RJD, not having to make choices between heating or eating, or paying the rent and eating. People having enough to live on. It would take a hell of a lot more redistribution before it would have the dire effects you predict.



RJD	Nov 28 2014, 07:04 PM Post #86
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 28 2014, 04:19 PM RJD Nov 28 2014, 04:02 PM How better off? More money in their pocket RJD, not having to make choices between heating or eating, or paying the rent and eating. People having enough to live on. It would take a hell of a lot more redistribution before it would have the dire effects you predict. I asked the question and was returned warm warms with no substance. Truth is Mr Smurf you don't give a damn about other peoples jobs, you never did.



papasmurf	Nov 28 2014, 07:40 PM Post #87
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 28 2014, 07:04 PM Truth is Mr Smurf you don't give a damn about other peoples jobs, you never did. I do RJD, you just blot any comments I have made in the subject out of your brain.



Affa	Nov 28 2014, 08:59 PM Post #88
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Heinrich Nov 28 2014, 12:44 PM Some English people think that if income inequality is worse in India or say, Zimbabwe, then it is not anything to worry about. They probably think they still control the British Empire. Some see nothing at all wrong with such a wide incomes gap, even when trying to deny there is one.



Tigger	Nov 28 2014, 09:51 PM Post #89
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Nov 28 2014, 09:31 AM RJD Nov 28 2014, 08:42 AM Unequal in what respect and to what degree. http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/multimedia/infographic-income-inequality-uk Sorry I don't look at visual representations that might prove your case. File under Myth's From The Old Nag.



Tigger	Nov 28 2014, 09:53 PM Post #90
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	somersetli Nov 28 2014, 09:57 AM papasmurf Nov 28 2014, 09:31 AM RJD Nov 28 2014, 08:42 AM Unequal in what respect and to what degree. http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/multimedia/infographic-income-inequality-uk This Equality Trust should produce the same facts for India. Did it embarrass you and not leave you in a position to refute the figures? India indeed................



C-too	Nov 28 2014, 11:17 PM Post #91
Honourable Member Posts: 17,686 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Jul 12, 2014	somersetli Nov 28 2014, 11:59 AM C-too Nov 28 2014, 10:34 AM India does not come in the top 15 developed countries. Don't know where they do come. More to the point, if we accept that generally there is bound to be some income inequality, what would be an acceptable level and how would it be achieved and maintained? Quote: Is that the same as saying that income inequality is okay for underdeveloped countries? No, it just shows that there is a tendency for some wealthy countries to have a higher inequality of wealth distribution. For point two, one would need to see and understand how the present levels are achieved and maintained.



C-too	Nov 28 2014, 11:22 PM Post #92
Honourable Member Posts: 17,686 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Jul 12, 2014	RJD Nov 28 2014, 03:56 PM Do these comparisons include tax credits? According to the FT if you do include these plus the rise in asset prices (property) then there has not been much of a change for decades. There is a glib acceptance that because the differences are huge then they must ipso facto be unacceptable. But on what basis? Look at how the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the numbers living in r/poverty grew during 18 years of Tory mismanagement?



RJD	Nov 29 2014, 03:22 PM Post #93
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	C-too Nov 28 2014, 11:22 PM RJD Nov 28 2014, 03:56 PM Do these comparisons include tax credits? According to the FT if you do include these plus the rise in asset prices (property) then there has not been much of a change for decades. There is a glib acceptance that because the differences are huge then they must ipso facto be unacceptable. But on what basis? Look at how the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the numbers living in r/poverty grew during 18 years of Tory mismanagement? You offer no evidence and the FT refutes this.



Tigger	Nov 29 2014, 04:41 PM Post #94
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Nov 29 2014, 03:22 PM C-too Nov 28 2014, 11:22 PM RJD Nov 28 2014, 03:56 PM Do these comparisons include tax credits? According to the FT if you do include these plus the rise in asset prices (property) then there has not been much of a change for decades. There is a glib acceptance that because the differences are huge then they must ipso facto be unacceptable. But on what basis? Look at how the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the numbers living in r/poverty grew during 18 years of Tory mismanagement? You offer no evidence and the FT refutes this. I see that rather large graphic earlier in the thread has remained invisible to you! Have you got a special Conservative PC deletes anything that is not to your taste?



Lewis	Nov 30 2014, 08:11 AM Post #95
Senior Member Posts: 3,478 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Nov 29 2014, 04:41 PM RJD Nov 29 2014, 03:22 PM C-too Nov 28 2014, 11:22 PM RJD Nov 28 2014, 03:56 PM Do these comparisons include tax credits? According to the FT if you do include these plus the rise in asset prices (property) then there has not been much of a change for decades. There is a glib acceptance that because the differences are huge then they must ipso facto be unacceptable. But on what basis? Look at how the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the numbers living in r/poverty grew during 18 years of Tory mismanagement? You offer no evidence and the FT refutes this. I see that rather large graphic earlier in the thread has remained invisible to you! Have you got a special Conservative PC deletes anything that is not to your taste? He ignores everything that is not vetted by Tory Central Office or doesn't comprise of Tory assured propaganda.



Oddball 2014	Nov 30 2014, 08:26 AM Post #96
Regular Member Posts: 1,322 Group: Members Member #35 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	I saw some top economist on TV the other day reflecting on the status quo of UK plc. He commented on the selling off of UK companies and other such enterprises to Johnny Foreigner - often at knock down prices and conditions. He also reflected on figures such as the net immigration numbers, with nearly 200,000 being quoted for the year before last and 250,000 or so for last year - and those are only the official figures for the 'legals'. Hmmn, did we manage to build the houses, and other assets normally needed for a 'city' of 450,000 in those last two years? I CAN PERCIEVE OF THE WHOLE ENTERPRISE ENDING IN TEARS AND REVOLUTION AT THIS RATE.



RJD	Nov 30 2014, 08:28 AM Post #97
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Nov 29 2014, 04:41 PM RJD Nov 29 2014, 03:22 PM C-too Nov 28 2014, 11:22 PM RJD Nov 28 2014, 03:56 PM Do these comparisons include tax credits? According to the FT if you do include these plus the rise in asset prices (property) then there has not been much of a change for decades. There is a glib acceptance that because the differences are huge then they must ipso facto be unacceptable. But on what basis? Look at how the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the numbers living in r/poverty grew during 18 years of Tory mismanagement? You offer no evidence and the FT refutes this. I see that rather large graphic earlier in the thread has remained invisible to you! Have you got a special Conservative PC deletes anything that is not to your taste? Clearly you do not bother to understand details. The question I asked should not be too difficult for you to understand.



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