A sense irony

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A sense irony; 'Plebs'
Topic Started: Nov 28 2014, 01:25 AM (641 Views)
Nonsense	Nov 28 2014, 01:25 AM Post #1
Regular Member Posts: 762 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: Nov 27, 2014	Is it not poetic justice,that Andrew Mitchell,who called PC's 'plebs', when leaving Downing Street,has unwittingly aspired to become a 'pleb' himself, with the pro-active judgement of a Magistrate? One hopes that it has cost(court cost) him dearly,clearly, 'justice' is a double-edged sword. I sympathise with his wife & children though. He was a fool to push his luck by defending himself after allegedly calling the PC a liar. As the saying goes,"A fool & his money are soon parted".



Heinrich	Nov 28 2014, 05:50 AM Post #2
Regular Guy Posts: 2,920 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: Jul 22, 2014	So he did call the police plebs after all. Well, what do you know! The man has a reputation for being a class-conscious condescending windbag i.e. a Tory. I too am sorry for his family.



disgruntled porker	Nov 28 2014, 08:43 AM Post #3
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	No doubt he will still have his supporters on here, one of which was saying how disgusting it was that an innocent man had had his career wrecked by the lies of a PC (pleb) and the lying met police, only a couple of days ago.



Deleted User	Nov 28 2014, 09:26 AM Post #4
Deleted User	disgruntled porker Nov 28 2014, 08:43 AM No doubt he will still have his supporters on here, one of which was saying how disgusting it was that an innocent man had had his career wrecked by the lies of a PC (pleb) and the lying met police, only a couple of days ago. Yep! Hands up I did say that! and as one who abides by the judgement of referees and judges I have to say how disappointed I am, but that I accept the judges conclusion. Of course the whole issue has blown up out of all proportion what with the indisputable scheming and lies of the Police Federation representatives and the previous testimony of a corrupt police witness, who it transpired was at home off duty at the time and Mitchell, with the wisdom of hindsight, making a monumental misjudgement in taking the matter to court. And all because he allegedly called a plod a pleb! I think it is a perfectly legitimate word designed to be offensive without resorting to the incorrect usage of various intimate body parts; a previously mild form of insult which as a result of this case has become the ultimate insult, certainly in political circles! No one even mentions the word 'fucking' which preceded it!
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Affa	Nov 28 2014, 10:49 AM Post #5
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	It is the result of the man being suborn (and arrogant) when told to use the pedestrian entrance to Downing St. That is the lesson here ......... everything thereafter has been the merry-go-round of excuses and lies to attempt to minimise the criticism for that lack of decorum.



Alberich	Nov 28 2014, 02:15 PM Post #6
Alberich Posts: 1,695 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	This from Wiki......."In ancient Rome, the plebs was the general body of free Roman citizens who were not patricians, as determined by the census. Shopkeepers, crafts people, and skilled or unskilled workers might be plebeian. From the 4th century BC or earlier, some of the most prominent and wealthy Roman families, as identified by their gens name, were of plebeian status . Literary references to the plebs, however, usually mean the ordinary citizens of Rome as a collective, as distinguished from the elite—a sense retained by "plebeian" in English. In time, the word - which is related to the Greek word for crowd, plethos - came to mean the common people." So where, exactly, is the insult? Aren't we all plebs??? When did being a member of the working/middle class become an insult?? Oh, I see. It is if the person to whom the remark is made sees it as an insult, whether that was the intention of the speaker or not. In a heated exchange I cannot understand how the use of that one word has destroyed a career, enriched lawyers by some millions, used up gallons of printer ink. What IS happening to this once tolerant nation./



Lewis	Nov 28 2014, 03:06 PM Post #7
Senior Member Posts: 3,478 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Well it is a result of the arrogance these people have towards the ordinary working people have of this country. Mitchell has on a rare occasion been compelled to accept that and what a moron he has shown himself to be! Is sorry too big a word to say for members of this ignorant, arrogant elite?



RJD	Nov 28 2014, 03:40 PM Post #8
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	disgruntled porker Nov 28 2014, 08:43 AM No doubt he will still have his supporters on here, one of which was saying how disgusting it was that an innocent man had had his career wrecked by the lies of a PC (pleb) and the lying met police, only a couple of days ago. I think not a judgement by a Judge is normally sufficient, however, what was acceptable was those of a particular persuasion had him guilty, hanged, drawn and quartered as soon as the Police made their allegation. You might just remember. Bit of a habit here of the Usuals to either seek to assassinate characters or assume guilt before seeing any evidence, but I recall they did such in 1920s Russia.



RJD	Nov 28 2014, 03:42 PM Post #9
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	That said we ended spending ~£3m of costs just because an MP called a Bobby a f---ing Pleb. I am sure they would consider such not much of an insult. Still it gives the lefties a high horse to mount.



Affa	Nov 28 2014, 08:47 PM Post #10
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	RJD Nov 28 2014, 03:42 PM That said we ended spending ~£3m of costs just because an MP called a Bobby a f---ing Pleb. I am sure they would consider such not much of an insult. Still it gives the lefties a high horse to mount. Quote: It is the result of the man being suborn (and arrogant) when told to use the pedestrian entrance to Downing St. What more is there to be said ....... this > he was behaving like a stubborn idiot, too full of his own importance and showed no respect for authority. He's in bother because he couldn't bring himself to admit he was wrong!



Rich	Nov 28 2014, 10:23 PM Post #11
Senior Member Posts: 14,463 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	Heinrich Nov 28 2014, 05:50 AM So he did call the police plebs after all. Well, what do you know! The man has a reputation for being a class-conscious condescending windbag i.e. a Tory. I too am sorry for his family. No, the judge in HIS OWN OPINION, opined that HE thought that it was probable that he uttered the word, the fact that me, you or the judge was not there to witness the "incident" makes a mockery of the word justice. Just imagine if the mans life was on the line, would the judge have relied on the laws of probability?



AndyK	Nov 28 2014, 10:37 PM Post #12
Senior Member Posts: 2,474 Group: Members Member #69 Joined: Aug 11, 2014	Lewis Nov 28 2014, 03:06 PM Well it is a result of the arrogance these people have towards the ordinary working people have of this country. Mitchell has on a rare occasion been compelled to accept that and what a moron he has shown himself to be! Is sorry too big a word to say for members of this ignorant, arrogant elite? Actually the judge agreed with Mitchell Quote: the judge said PC Rowland was "not the sort of man who would have had the wit, imagination or inclination to invent on the spur of the moment an account of what a senior politician had said to him in temper". In other words, the judge thinks PC Rowland is a stupid Pleb.



Tigger	Nov 28 2014, 10:42 PM Post #13
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Alberich Nov 28 2014, 02:15 PM This from Wiki......."In ancient Rome, the plebs was the general body of free Roman citizens who were not patricians, as determined by the census. Shopkeepers, crafts people, and skilled or unskilled workers might be plebeian. From the 4th century BC or earlier, some of the most prominent and wealthy Roman families, as identified by their gens name, were of plebeian status . Literary references to the plebs, however, usually mean the ordinary citizens of Rome as a collective, as distinguished from the elite—a sense retained by "plebeian" in English. In time, the word - which is related to the Greek word for crowd, plethos - came to mean the common people." So where, exactly, is the insult? Aren't we all plebs??? When did being a member of the working/middle class become an insult?? Oh, I see. It is if the person to whom the remark is made sees it as an insult, whether that was the intention of the speaker or not. In a heated exchange I cannot understand how the use of that one word has destroyed a career, enriched lawyers by some millions, used up gallons of printer ink. What IS happening to this once tolerant nation./ Of course a brighter person than yourself would have done a little bit more research which would have revealed that the term "pleb" is, or rather was, commonly used in public schools as a disparaging term for those of a lower class and lesser social standing. It is in actual fact a term of abuse. You doddering old fart, oops sorry, senior citizen!



Tigger	Nov 28 2014, 10:44 PM Post #14
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Rich Nov 28 2014, 10:23 PM Heinrich Nov 28 2014, 05:50 AM So he did call the police plebs after all. Well, what do you know! The man has a reputation for being a class-conscious condescending windbag i.e. a Tory. I too am sorry for his family. No, the judge in HIS OWN OPINION, opined that HE thought that it was probable that he uttered the word, the fact that me, you or the judge was not there to witness the "incident" makes a mockery of the word justice. Just imagine if the mans life was on the line, would the judge have relied on the laws of probability? You can get off your knees now Rich, everyone has left...............



ranger121	Nov 28 2014, 10:47 PM Post #15
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	It is my opinion that the man has been well stitched up, and as a result will probably lose several of the properties that he acquired during his tenure at the top end. One goes in with double ace, and loses to a straight. Too bad, the judge was well against you anyway. No doubt he can well afford to retire and do nothing but write his memoirs.



disgruntled porker	Nov 29 2014, 12:08 AM Post #16
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	I've said from day one that there is no way we will ever know the full truth of the matter. Wether he said it or not has become abit of an irrellevance for me. He could have just let it drop, wait for things to calm down, and gradually ease his way back in with a liberal application of political KY jelly. I'm sure all his friends in high places would make this a smooth and painless transition. But no. The man's arrogance and self belief in his own superiority made him go for a court hearing which he thought he would have won easily, because a high court judge would obviously side with him, being a superior being himself. He msy even have believed tht the judge may have been "advised" about his deliberations. I reckon it'all about dominance and subserviance and the individual's tollerance levels of either or both. Edited by disgruntled porker, Nov 29 2014, 12:11 AM.



Lewis	Nov 29 2014, 11:51 AM Post #17
Senior Member Posts: 3,478 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	AndyK Nov 28 2014, 10:37 PM Lewis Nov 28 2014, 03:06 PM Well it is a result of the arrogance these people have towards the ordinary working people have of this country. Mitchell has on a rare occasion been compelled to accept that and what a moron he has shown himself to be! Is sorry too big a word to say for members of this ignorant, arrogant elite? Actually the judge agreed with Mitchell Quote: the judge said PC Rowland was "not the sort of man who would have had the wit, imagination or inclination to invent on the spur of the moment an account of what a senior politician had said to him in temper". In other words, the judge thinks PC Rowland is a stupid Pleb. One strange way of looking at it and misinterpreting it all at the same time. Mind you unless you are a gormless, public school twit, 90% of the populous wouldn't even dream of using such a word in every day speech. I wouldn't naturally have thought as the judge stated, that an ordinary PC, who would have gone to a state school wouldn't even have dreamt of using such a word. Therefore the most likely conclusion is that Mitchell planted the word by uttering it, and indeed he himself has made it one that has captured the public eye. Edited by Lewis, Nov 29 2014, 11:52 AM.



Alberich	Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Post #18
Alberich Posts: 1,695 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Nov 28 2014, 10:42 PM Alberich Nov 28 2014, 02:15 PM This from Wiki......."In ancient Rome, the plebs was the general body of free Roman citizens who were not patricians, as determined by the census. Shopkeepers, crafts people, and skilled or unskilled workers might be plebeian. From the 4th century BC or earlier, some of the most prominent and wealthy Roman families, as identified by their gens name, were of plebeian status . Literary references to the plebs, however, usually mean the ordinary citizens of Rome as a collective, as distinguished from the elite—a sense retained by "plebeian" in English. In time, the word - which is related to the Greek word for crowd, plethos - came to mean the common people." So where, exactly, is the insult? Aren't we all plebs??? When did being a member of the working/middle class become an insult?? Oh, I see. It is if the person to whom the remark is made sees it as an insult, whether that was the intention of the speaker or not. In a heated exchange I cannot understand how the use of that one word has destroyed a career, enriched lawyers by some millions, used up gallons of printer ink. What IS happening to this once tolerant nation./ Of course a brighter person than yourself would have done a little bit more research which would have revealed that the term "pleb" is, or rather was, commonly used in public schools as a disparaging term for those of a lower class and lesser social standing. It is in actual fact a term of abuse. You doddering old fart, oops sorry, senior citizen! Making due allowance for your bovine stupidity, it is the follow-on from a petty insult, spoken in the heat of the moment, that I deplore. Try and keep up, Tigger. I know you are nobody's fool, but stick around; perhaps someone will adopt you.



Affa	Dec 1 2014, 02:20 PM Post #19
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Alberich Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Making due allowance for your bovine stupidity, it is the follow-on from a petty insult, spoken in the heat of the moment, that I deplore. Try and keep up, Tigger. I know you are nobody's fool, but stick around; perhaps someone will adopt you. "It is the follow on" ....... from a refusal to use the pedestrian gateway as requested, and then being offensive to the officer at the gate. The consequences of which would be negligible had it not been for Mitchell threatening the officer that he would take it further. It was this threat that caused the officer to report the incident - Mitchell has no-one to blame but himself.



Alberich	Dec 1 2014, 04:13 PM Post #20
Alberich Posts: 1,695 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Affa Dec 1 2014, 02:20 PM Alberich Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Making due allowance for your bovine stupidity, it is the follow-on from a petty insult, spoken in the heat of the moment, that I deplore. Try and keep up, Tigger. I know you are nobody's fool, but stick around; perhaps someone will adopt you. "It is the follow on" ....... from a refusal to use the pedestrian gateway as requested, and then being offensive to the officer at the gate. The consequences of which would be negligible had it not been for Mitchell threatening the officer that he would take it further. It was this threat that caused the officer to report the incident - Mitchell has no-one to blame but himself. I don't disagree. But it is still a mountain made out of a VERY small pimple of a molehill!



RJD	Dec 2 2014, 07:51 AM Post #21
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Quote: Andrew Mitchell fought the law, and the law won. Is it any wonder? Dan Hodges Read the above detailed comment on the above trial and wonder how it was possible for the Judge to draw such a conclusion. Seems to me, from the above, that some people despite all of the evidence to the contrary believe that anyone wearing the Queen's blue must by definition be telling the truth.



disgruntled porker	Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM Post #22
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth.,



papasmurf	Dec 2 2014, 09:25 AM Post #23
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth.,



The Buccaneer	Dec 2 2014, 09:41 AM Post #24
Regular Member Posts: 949 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: Jul 1, 2014	disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth., Or in the 'usual suspects' view, every Tory is a 'nasty' liar............?



Tigger	Dec 2 2014, 12:12 PM Post #25
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Alberich Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Tigger Nov 28 2014, 10:42 PM Alberich Nov 28 2014, 02:15 PM This from Wiki......."In ancient Rome, the plebs was the general body of free Roman citizens who were not patricians, as determined by the census. Shopkeepers, crafts people, and skilled or unskilled workers might be plebeian. From the 4th century BC or earlier, some of the most prominent and wealthy Roman families, as identified by their gens name, were of plebeian status . Literary references to the plebs, however, usually mean the ordinary citizens of Rome as a collective, as distinguished from the elite—a sense retained by "plebeian" in English. In time, the word - which is related to the Greek word for crowd, plethos - came to mean the common people." So where, exactly, is the insult? Aren't we all plebs??? When did being a member of the working/middle class become an insult?? Oh, I see. It is if the person to whom the remark is made sees it as an insult, whether that was the intention of the speaker or not. In a heated exchange I cannot understand how the use of that one word has destroyed a career, enriched lawyers by some millions, used up gallons of printer ink. What IS happening to this once tolerant nation./ Of course a brighter person than yourself would have done a little bit more research which would have revealed that the term "pleb" is, or rather was, commonly used in public schools as a disparaging term for those of a lower class and lesser social standing. It is in actual fact a term of abuse. You doddering old fart, oops sorry, senior citizen! Making due allowance for your bovine stupidity, it is the follow-on from a petty insult, spoken in the heat of the moment, that I deplore. Try and keep up, Tigger. I know you are nobody's fool, but stick around; perhaps someone will adopt you. Well I wasn't the one pretending that the word pleb was inoffensive in the context it was mentioned in was I? Go and have a carrot and saddle up for a walk down the beach.



Tigger	Dec 2 2014, 12:15 PM Post #26
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Dec 2 2014, 07:51 AM Quote: Andrew Mitchell fought the law, and the law won. Is it any wonder? Dan Hodges Read the above detailed comment on the above trial and wonder how it was possible for the Judge to draw such a conclusion. Seems to me, from the above, that some people despite all of the evidence to the contrary believe that anyone wearing the Queen's blue must by definition be telling the truth. Perhaps in the rarefied atmosphere of the upper ranks of the judiciary the conclusion was that Mitchell was becoming a bit of a bore and getting beyond his station? Considering the weakness of the evidence that looks as good a guess as anyone else's.



Alberich	Dec 2 2014, 12:44 PM Post #27
Alberich Posts: 1,695 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Dec 2 2014, 12:12 PM Alberich Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Tigger Nov 28 2014, 10:42 PM Alberich Nov 28 2014, 02:15 PM This from Wiki......."In ancient Rome, the plebs was the general body of free Roman citizens who were not patricians, as determined by the census. Shopkeepers, crafts people, and skilled or unskilled workers might be plebeian. From the 4th century BC or earlier, some of the most prominent and wealthy Roman families, as identified by their gens name, were of plebeian status . Literary references to the plebs, however, usually mean the ordinary citizens of Rome as a collective, as distinguished from the elite—a sense retained by "plebeian" in English. In time, the word - which is related to the Greek word for crowd, plethos - came to mean the common people." So where, exactly, is the insult? Aren't we all plebs??? When did being a member of the working/middle class become an insult?? Oh, I see. It is if the person to whom the remark is made sees it as an insult, whether that was the intention of the speaker or not. In a heated exchange I cannot understand how the use of that one word has destroyed a career, enriched lawyers by some millions, used up gallons of printer ink. What IS happening to this once tolerant nation./ Of course a brighter person than yourself would have done a little bit more research which would have revealed that the term "pleb" is, or rather was, commonly used in public schools as a disparaging term for those of a lower class and lesser social standing. It is in actual fact a term of abuse. You doddering old fart, oops sorry, senior citizen! Making due allowance for your bovine stupidity, it is the follow-on from a petty insult, spoken in the heat of the moment, that I deplore. Try and keep up, Tigger. I know you are nobody's fool, but stick around; perhaps someone will adopt you. Well I wasn't the one pretending that the word pleb was inoffensive in the context it was mentioned in was I? Go and have a carrot and saddle up for a walk down the beach. Your inability to follow an argument is only matched by your congenital stupidity. And the really sad thing is that you think you are normal.



Tigger	Dec 2 2014, 12:57 PM Post #28
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Alberich Dec 2 2014, 12:44 PM Tigger Dec 2 2014, 12:12 PM Alberich Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Tigger Nov 28 2014, 10:42 PM Quoting limited to 4 levels deep Making due allowance for your bovine stupidity, it is the follow-on from a petty insult, spoken in the heat of the moment, that I deplore. Try and keep up, Tigger. I know you are nobody's fool, but stick around; perhaps someone will adopt you. Well I wasn't the one pretending that the word pleb was inoffensive in the context it was mentioned in was I? Go and have a carrot and saddle up for a walk down the beach. Your inability to follow an argument is only matched by your congenital stupidity. And the really sad thing is that you think you are normal. Well the argument was that Mitchell called a copper a pleb and this is considered to be an insulting term with connotations regarding class which incidentally most of us seemed to realise. So quite why you thought it necessary to tell us about the ancient Roman origins of this in a rather pointless exercise of trumpet blowing only you will know for sure, although my guess at the reason is probably more accurate than your attempted diversion. You muppet* *American children's programme very popular in the late seventies and eighties which featured many characters that have become famous and well loved. Did you see what I did there?



RJD	Dec 2 2014, 02:54 PM Post #29
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth., What a load of unadulterated tripe, the politics of the Judge is unknown.



Tigger	Dec 2 2014, 03:03 PM Post #30
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Dec 2 2014, 02:54 PM disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth., What a load of unadulterated tripe, the politics of the Judge is unknown. I bet he's not a bed wetting socialist.



RJD	Dec 2 2014, 03:55 PM Post #31
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tigger Dec 2 2014, 03:03 PM RJD Dec 2 2014, 02:54 PM disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth., What a load of unadulterated tripe, the politics of the Judge is unknown. I bet he's not a bed wetting socialist. How would we know?



Deleted User	Dec 2 2014, 06:00 PM Post #32
Deleted User	Tigger Dec 2 2014, 12:57 PM Alberich Dec 2 2014, 12:44 PM Tigger Dec 2 2014, 12:12 PM Alberich Dec 1 2014, 02:02 PM Quoting limited to 4 levels deep Well I wasn't the one pretending that the word pleb was inoffensive in the context it was mentioned in was I? Go and have a carrot and saddle up for a walk down the beach. Your inability to follow an argument is only matched by your congenital stupidity. And the really sad thing is that you think you are normal. Well the argument was that Mitchell called a copper a pleb and this is considered to be an insulting term with connotations regarding class which incidentally most of us seemed to realise. So quite why you thought it necessary to tell us about the ancient Roman origins of this in a rather pointless exercise of trumpet blowing only you will know for sure, although my guess at the reason is probably more accurate than your attempted diversion. You muppet* *American children's programme very popular in the late seventies and eighties which featured many characters that have become famous and well loved. Did you see what I did there? Muppet is a barely even a mild insult. On the many occasions when I fail to understand a seeming insurmountable software problem which my son then promptly resolves with a lightning pressing of 3 or 4 keys with an accompanying 'Oh dad you muppet' i smile wryly and feel no insult. Pleb also used to be a relatively mild insult and, along with 'prole' and 'peasant', was in regular use when I was at school and since. Only the other week I was with a couple of chums of several decades standing, at 'Twickers' and having a hot dog and a squirt of ketchup and mustard jetted out and landed on the front of my coat. One chum exclaimed 'pleb' and the other 'peasant' neither intending offence and neither giving it. I suspect that those who take offence at being called a pleb are those who recognise that they perhaps fit into the modern image that the use of the word conjurs up in the minds of many, someone socially awkward with poor social judgement and a general lack of style, good taste or manners. From what Mr Justice Mitting had to say about PC Rowland 'pleb' appears to be an apt description.
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Tigger	Dec 2 2014, 07:34 PM Post #33
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Major Sinic Dec 2 2014, 06:00 PM I suspect that those who take offence at being called a pleb are those who recognise that they perhaps fit into the modern image that the use of the word conjurs up in the minds of many, someone socially awkward with poor social judgement and a general lack of style, good taste or manners. From what Mr Justice Mitting had to say about PC Rowland 'pleb' appears to be an apt description. Certainly if I was called a pleb by someone of an of alleged higher social standing the reply would not need a dictionary, a history lesson or indeed a study in semantics to unravel it's true meaning. If you know what I mean .



gee4444	Dec 2 2014, 09:59 PM Post #34
Regular Member Posts: 843 Group: Members Member #28 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	I do find the twisting and turning of the Mitchell supporters very amusing. Predictable, but hilarious. Their arrogance and inability to accept even one ounce of humility must be inbred. Maybe nurtured? Who really knows? The ruling from a judge is now irrelevant and the judge must be in error! The insult pleb has now become a benign term with those insulted by it being at fault! Even those who called it correctly are now branded as crazed vigilantes out for blood before justice has been carried out. And yet, the truth that Mitchell is a proven liar and a haughty and obnoxious man with a superiority complex is lost on them. Yet they can see none of this! Truly remarkable.



Affa	Dec 3 2014, 02:32 AM Post #35
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	To repeat ....... an insult is only an insult if the intention is to insult. Pleb when used to insult is understood to mean the offender regards the object as inferior, a lower class, and below contempt.



disgruntled porker	Dec 3 2014, 08:54 AM Post #36
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	RJD Dec 2 2014, 02:54 PM disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth., What a load of unadulterated tripe, the politics of the Judge is unknown. I'm not talking about the judge, I'm talking about ALL tories. You know, like the very broad brush you paint socialist lefties and usual subjects with. Plus it was said with just a dash of sarcasm. Once again, your inability to follow what is actually said is patently obvious.



Tigger	Dec 3 2014, 06:59 PM Post #37
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Dec 2 2014, 03:55 PM Tigger Dec 2 2014, 03:03 PM RJD Dec 2 2014, 02:54 PM disgruntled porker Dec 2 2014, 09:16 AM And in other people's books, any Tory, by definition, must be telling the truth., What a load of unadulterated tripe, the politics of the Judge is unknown. I bet he's not a bed wetting socialist. How would we know? His wig will smell of piss.



disgruntled porker	Dec 3 2014, 08:24 PM Post #38
Older than most people think I am. Posts: 1,945 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	Tigger Dec 3 2014, 06:59 PM RJD Dec 2 2014, 03:55 PM Tigger Dec 2 2014, 03:03 PM RJD Dec 2 2014, 02:54 PM Quoting limited to 4 levels deep I bet he's not a bed wetting socialist. How would we know? His wig will smell of piss. And pork pies and old holborn rolling baccy.



RJD	Dec 11 2014, 03:42 PM Post #39
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	The summary of the Judge identifies PC Rowlands as a Pleb, funny how his conclusions are not being castigated. I wonder why? What did he say? "Embellishment of a true account by a police officer on the defensive is, of course, not acceptable, but it is understandable if done for that purpose." Anyone who thinks that the Judge's conclusions are positive proof of anything are deluded. I have to smile at the way the Usuals who were prepared to condemn Mitchell as guilty without first seeing any evidence have remained true to their narrow minded colours. Predictable, the same types were also happy to see hundreds of thousands frog marched off to the Gulags as it suited their weird dogma. Nasty uncivilised people.



Tigger	Dec 11 2014, 07:28 PM Post #40
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Dec 11 2014, 03:42 PM Predictable, the same types were also happy to see hundreds of thousands frog marched off to the Gulags as it suited their weird dogma. Nasty uncivilised people. What the hell is this utter bollocks all about? Mitchell is a cock, get over it!



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