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| Camerons speech on immigration | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 28 2014, 10:27 PM (371 Views) | |
| AndyK | Nov 28 2014, 10:27 PM Post #1 |
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Pretty much a damp squib http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/28/angela-merkel-david-cameron-migrant-cap He's pretty much handed it on a plate to UKIP because people don't care about immigrants claiming benefits, want they care about is reducing the head count. |
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| RJD | Nov 29 2014, 03:20 PM Post #2 |
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True, but considering the Treaties we have entered into under Law how are we going to inhibit those with a legal right to come here without first leaving the EU? |
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| marybrown | Nov 29 2014, 03:23 PM Post #3 |
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Well already Poland is going to veto his proposals.. I bet they f*cking are.. |
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| marybrown | Nov 29 2014, 03:29 PM Post #4 |
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He just looked like a desperate politician, trying to hang on to his position.. He's gonna make it law..and if the EU don't like it.. Get us out of there.. Before 2015... |
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| papasmurf | Nov 29 2014, 03:50 PM Post #5 |
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I would like to point out Cameron is NOT a dictator and he will be able to do precisely (expletive deleted) all, unless the Tories get voted in with a massive majority in May 2015. There is a much chance of that as me having a threesome with Amanda Platell and Naga Munchetty. |
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| marybrown | Nov 29 2014, 04:03 PM Post #6 |
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I know you are a Labourite..would you vote for Milliband?? Really?? |
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| papasmurf | Nov 29 2014, 04:15 PM Post #7 |
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I vote to keep a tory out, because Tories just are not fit for public office that is all, do not make assumptions. |
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| avagrumble | Nov 29 2014, 04:27 PM Post #8 |
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All this rhetoric Cameron is spouting about 'vote me back in' and we will challenge the EU on immigration and benefits. But he is talking roughly three or four years hence, by the time he gets round to it another three million or so will have settled here. For GODS sake implement it NOW. Whats the worst that can happen.....the EU could kick us out 'YIPPEE' some other countries could even follow suit and follow our lead. The EU is at fault by letting all these poor countries join, they take more out of the EU than they contribute, and people from these countries see England as 'Eldorado' and come here to be housed and fed and start work as car washers at your local supermarket. They probably earn more from that than they earn back home, but the downside to this is our inferstucture cannot cope with the rapid rise in population. The area roughly thiry miles radius of London is just being concreted over, hospitals, schools, police and prisons cannot cope. Medway hospital was in the news the other day,some saying its the worst performing hospital in the country, what with waiting times and appointments. What they don't say is, in the last two or a bit years,about five thousand homes have been built in about a ten mile radius of the hospital. If you say four to a home thats twenty thousand more potential patients for the hospital to cope with....and they are still building in any available plot. If nothing changes in about twenty years the population of the UK will top One Hundred Million. |
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| Affa | Nov 29 2014, 04:54 PM Post #9 |
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I'll remind you that in every GE run-in the tactic has always been to try to scare voters away from voting Labour - they did it in 1997, 2001, 2005, and 2010. At no time have those scares ever been genuine fears or ever actually materialised. The MW was going to be a disaster that bankrupt business and put hundreds of thousands out of work - and I know of one businessman that was certain he would be finished. In reality his business flourished. Brown and Prudence were living off the Tory economic cycle that would end in disaster - well they did eventually get that one right = that crisis was the result of the Big Bang deregulations Thatcher brought in. The SUN did it .......... Don't take any notice of the SUN or any other rag. they are all corrupt. Trust what you know - Cameron is a two faced con artist, Miliband a no face EU luvvy, and Clegg a charlatan. Not much of a choice. I have very little confidence (none really) that Miliband would make a good PM, but neither do I think his party could possibly be any worse than a Tory inspired government ......... it can't happen. Would I vote Labour - No. there are other options to these Established failures. I'd actually vote BNP if there was any chance of it being so ....... these were the only party for Britain that were/are not wedded to the Establishment. |
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| somersetli | Nov 29 2014, 04:58 PM Post #10 |
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Does that mean that you do not care who gets into office as long as it isn't a Tory? So if UKIP get in, or The Greens, BNP, or The Monster Raving Loonies, that will be okay by you? |
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| papasmurf | Nov 29 2014, 04:59 PM Post #11 |
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And Paul Daniels never did keep his promise to leave Britain if New Labour got elected. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 29 2014, 06:31 PM Post #12 |
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Cameron's proposals are all in the future, when they need to be implemented now. The bottom line for most people is that they want immigration from the EU controlled and restricted to those actually needed, and supersedes their concerns for the economy and growth. The economy can be dealt with over time, but the changes being brought about by immigration, with its religious race and cultural changes, and demands on the infrastructure of our society, is here for ever, and as an ever growing problem. If you do not agree, then the voters will decide the issue eventually, and will turn to UKIP as they are already doing. |
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| marybrown | Nov 29 2014, 06:39 PM Post #13 |
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It's a general election crap..he's lied before and he will lie again.. After all..who profits from the Eastern European invasion?? Not us, that's for sure!! |
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| AndyK | Nov 29 2014, 08:36 PM Post #14 |
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They had better find a way because the electorate are about to give the establishment a reminder of who's boss. |
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| Tigger | Nov 29 2014, 09:37 PM Post #15 |
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They are the bosses and always have been, the problem they have is that they have been very happy for the plebs to blame Europe for a host of self inflicted problems as it deflected blame away from Westminster, this has now backfired spectacularly. The electorate naturally blames Europe for most things, all that indoctrination over several decades has worked wonders, and those same voters expect the Government to put Europe in it's place, the problem being that Europe is having none of this nonsense any more and is calling Britain's bluff, the establishment now has a near insurmountable problem an exit from Europe will see those establishment figures hit directly in the pocket and the expectation from many voters will be that Britain will race ahead economically now free from the apparent shackles of Europe, this of course will not happen and I suspect they know it as well. The problem is the electorate will then turn on Westminster and blame them for the unfolding clusterfuck because it will no longer be possible to hide the obvious causes of our malaise. |
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| RJD | Nov 30 2014, 08:47 AM Post #16 |
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What a load of generalised tripe without one iota of substance. The question is simple: is the UK a sovereign country with the legal right to control who come to the UK and on what conditions? Yes or no. The EU says no and the UK population wishes yes by a huge majority. The risks of leaving the EU altogether and establishing a semi-detatched relationship are over hyped and probably matched our outweighed by the advantages. The little englanders (no caps) are frightened of leaving the big herd and fail to recognise that the EU, in particular the EZ, is going nowhere. Me I would prefer to stay in the EU as that is least disruptive, but not prepared to be part of any federal arrangement and expect a sovereign country to be responsible for it's borders. I do not fear leaving the EU and do not expect any punishment from anyone with any clout in the EU for doing such. Germans do not shoot their businesses in the foot. |
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| Tigger | Nov 30 2014, 02:19 PM Post #17 |
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I'm afraid the "substance" you geriatric coffin dodger is it the numerous treaties we signed up to which have legally bound us to mass immigration. Do you understand that? And if so let's move onto the next item. Now a sensible person would at least try and make his nation less attractive to unskilled workers and put sensible barriers in place but Britain being a nation of self defying thicko's this has been problematic, from the last Labour government which said it would "rub the faces" of the Tories in the dirt with those immigrants to the present government of the wealthy who on one hand moan about immigrants but quietly like them because of they provide cheap and lightly regulated labour and need somewhere to live, both things they can make easy money from. I am all for the free movement of labour, but not for the poorly regulated British labour market, the hire and fire mentality and the previous casual attitude of our apparent betters to the problems these undoubted facts have caused. And thank you for your time. |
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| RJD | Dec 1 2014, 04:59 PM Post #18 |
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You destroy all your claims by first attempting juvenile ageist ridicule. Your really are a nasty little person who has very little of interest to share. |
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| Tigger | Dec 1 2014, 08:49 PM Post #19 |
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Yes, sorry about correcting your factual omissions and rather poor logic, it seems to be becoming a full time job for several on here these days............ Edited by Tigger, Dec 1 2014, 08:50 PM.
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| RJD | Dec 2 2014, 02:58 PM Post #20 |
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I see no such correction nor failures. You appear to be overstepping yourself yet again. Now if you think you have a point then be a good boy and put it up for examination. |
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