RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children. Same sort of spin goes on with wages, poor wages due to credits do not necessarily mean wage poverty.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:41 PM

I think the question is why has productivity in the UK remained stubbornly low for such a long period? I recall reading reports on this 50 years ago when Japan, the USA and Germany were forging ahead. Whilst we have kept apace with Germany over recent decades in terms of productivity growth, from a lower base, which has always been in the range of 2%-3% PA, this last recession has shown no recovery in that trend. In fact we are losing ground.

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 01:49 PM

RJD

Dec 4 2014, 05:43 PM

C-too

Dec 4 2014, 03:41 PM

Rich

Dec 3 2014, 08:14 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deephttps://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/autumn-statement--george-osborne-s-jokes-161647774.html

It's a pitty he's not that good with the economy.

True, but he is an improvement on the last lot and that is all he has going for him.

An improvement!

What we know from the final years of Labour misrule is this, if you create a debt fuelled housing bubble and have very low interest rates you suck in imports and the trade deficit widens significantly, personal debt also goes through the roof and wealth is only created on paper but lacks any substance when put to the test.

So the Conservatives answer to the previous problems is to have a re run of previously failed policies FFS!

If anyone wonders why I detest contemporary British politics and have a very low opinion of millions of my fellow countrymen for thinking that all this is perfectly normal fiscal behaviour, your answer is in the first two paragraphs.

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 02:02 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:41 PM

I think the question is why has productivity in the UK remained stubbornly low for such a long period? I recall reading reports on this 50 years ago when Japan, the USA and Germany were forging ahead. Whilst we have kept apace with Germany over recent decades in terms of productivity growth, from a lower base, which has always been in the range of 2%-3% PA, this last recession has shown no recovery in that trend. In fact we are losing ground.

I'll keep this fairly brief, the answer is short termism and crap management that cannot plan any further ahead than this time next week.

When I set about expanding my business ten years ago I got this advice from my then bank, borrow lots of money, the advice from a management consultancy was to cut costs (ie wages) and undercut potential rivals, the local job centre was convinced that people who could barely speak English would be best placed to read complex architectural plans, (but they were cheap) and the idea of retraining staff at some not insignificant cost did not go down well with the accountant we had at the time.

I found the inspiration and indeed a lot of the technical help across the North Sea in Denmark and Germany.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 02:09 PM

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 01:49 PM

RJD

Dec 4 2014, 05:43 PM

C-too

Dec 4 2014, 03:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deephttps://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/autumn-statement--george-osborne-s-jokes-161647774.html

True, but he is an improvement on the last lot and that is all he has going for him.

An improvement!

What we know from the final years of Labour misrule is this, if you create a debt fuelled housing bubble and have very low interest rates you suck in imports and the trade deficit widens significantly, personal debt also goes through the roof and wealth is only created on paper but lacks any substance when put to the test.

So the Conservatives answer to the previous problems is to have a re run of previously failed policies FFS!

If anyone wonders why I detest contemporary British politics and have a very low opinion of millions of my fellow countrymen for thinking that all this is perfectly normal fiscal behaviour, your answer is in the first two paragraphs.

Nothing new there then, many on the right have been demanding fiscal prudence for decades and were unnerved by the easy way Browne expanded the money supply with cheap untutored credit. Yes his predecessors were lax, but what Brown did was shocking in the extreme. Borrowing money to fuel current consumption during the boom years was a disgraceful act of belligerence against future generations. Yes the UK economy was overheated and swimming in cheap money and loans to those not normally worthy of credit grew on trees. In the same way flooding the UK market with cheap immigrant labour just to rub the noses of the Tories with multicultural dirt was narrow minded, overtly political and ignored the interests of the UK public. It took NL 8 years to rubbish our economy and it will take at least 16 for it to recover. If you really do believe in sound money then you cannot support Labour and would find it difficult to support the Tories. However at least the Tories can articulate the problems even if they do not have the gonads to drive through the necessary solutions. Your support of the left does not fit with your stated economic desires, if you really do believe we should rebalance our economy away from consumption towards production then you are placing you trust with the wrong lot.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Sorry for the correction, but you are referring to "relative poverty" not the absolute variety and yes a few Pennies per week to parents allowed the Spinner in Chief of the left to claim they had lifted 2m out of poverty. Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children. Same sort of spin goes on with wages, poor wages due to credits do not necessarily mean wage poverty.

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 02:19 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 02:09 PM

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 01:49 PM

RJD

Dec 4 2014, 05:43 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deephttps://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/autumn-statement--george-osborne-s-jokes-161647774.html

An improvement!

What we know from the final years of Labour misrule is this, if you create a debt fuelled housing bubble and have very low interest rates you suck in imports and the trade deficit widens significantly, personal debt also goes through the roof and wealth is only created on paper but lacks any substance when put to the test.

So the Conservatives answer to the previous problems is to have a re run of previously failed policies FFS!

If anyone wonders why I detest contemporary British politics and have a very low opinion of millions of my fellow countrymen for thinking that all this is perfectly normal fiscal behaviour, your answer is in the first two paragraphs.

Nothing new there then, many on the right have been demanding fiscal prudence for decades and were unnerved by the easy way Browne expanded the money supply with cheap untutored credit. Yes his predecessors were lax, but what Brown did was shocking in the extreme. Borrowing money to fuel current consumption during the boom years was a disgraceful act of belligerence against future generations. Yes the UK economy was overheated and swimming in cheap money and loans to those not normally worthy of credit grew on trees. In the same way flooding the UK market with cheap immigrant labour just to rub the noses of the Tories with multicultural dirt was narrow minded, overtly political and ignored the interests of the UK public. It took NL 8 years to rubbish our economy and it will take at least 16 for it to recover. If you really do believe in sound money then you cannot support Labour and would find it difficult to support the Tories. However at least the Tories can articulate the problems even if they do not have the gonads to drive through the necessary solutions. Your support of the left does not fit with your stated economic desires, if you really do believe we should rebalance our economy away from consumption towards production then you are placing you trust with the wrong lot.

Of course the Tories will do nothing to change what Brown essentially did because it works very well for them and their ilk, The better off have actually thrived under austerity, this is as plain as the nose on your face. With modern Conservatism the name of the game is trying to find the moral high ground for selfishness and that means scape goating anyone who is not like them.

The Tories started neo liberal economics in this country and continue with them and it will eventually bankrupt us and lead to civil disorder as fewer people are able to participate in the economy.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 02:19 PM

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 02:02 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:41 PM

I think the question is why has productivity in the UK remained stubbornly low for such a long period? I recall reading reports on this 50 years ago when Japan, the USA and Germany were forging ahead. Whilst we have kept apace with Germany over recent decades in terms of productivity growth, from a lower base, which has always been in the range of 2%-3% PA, this last recession has shown no recovery in that trend. In fact we are losing ground.

I'll keep this fairly brief, the answer is short termism and crap management that cannot plan any further ahead than this time next week.

When I set about expanding my business ten years ago I got this advice from my then bank, borrow lots of money, the advice from a management consultancy was to cut costs (ie wages) and undercut potential rivals, the local job centre was convinced that people who could barely speak English would be best placed to read complex architectural plans, (but they were cheap) and the idea of retraining staff at some not insignificant cost did not go down well with the accountant we had at the time.

I found the inspiration and indeed a lot of the technical help across the North Sea in Denmark and Germany.

Clearly rubbish as most investments in new capacity are years in the planning and most of the volume producers in the UK are using state of art manufacturing technologies.

You do not have a real business, you do not develop or manufacture, you only install bits n pieces made by others with friends who you confessed were self employed. All short term low risk activities. Seems to me that what you have is akin to an old fashioned Ganger, yes Ganger not Gangster. So please stop referring to yourself as a Businessman.

I have found that British Managers were equally as good and bad as there counterparts in Europe. The redeeming feature is that the Brits know best how to make capital sweat and you will find if you put in the effort to do some research that UK Managers perform very well according to the metrics used by investors, just look how many FTSE listed companies are in the top 50, more than France plus Germany together.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 02:29 PM

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 02:19 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 02:09 PM

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 01:49 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deephttps://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/autumn-statement--george-osborne-s-jokes-161647774.html

Nothing new there then, many on the right have been demanding fiscal prudence for decades and were unnerved by the easy way Browne expanded the money supply with cheap untutored credit. Yes his predecessors were lax, but what Brown did was shocking in the extreme. Borrowing money to fuel current consumption during the boom years was a disgraceful act of belligerence against future generations. Yes the UK economy was overheated and swimming in cheap money and loans to those not normally worthy of credit grew on trees. In the same way flooding the UK market with cheap immigrant labour just to rub the noses of the Tories with multicultural dirt was narrow minded, overtly political and ignored the interests of the UK public. It took NL 8 years to rubbish our economy and it will take at least 16 for it to recover. If you really do believe in sound money then you cannot support Labour and would find it difficult to support the Tories. However at least the Tories can articulate the problems even if they do not have the gonads to drive through the necessary solutions. Your support of the left does not fit with your stated economic desires, if you really do believe we should rebalance our economy away from consumption towards production then you are placing you trust with the wrong lot.

Of course the Tories will do nothing to change what Brown essentially did because it works very well for them and their ilk, The better off have actually thrived under austerity, this is as plain as the nose on your face. With modern Conservatism the name of the game is trying to find the moral high ground for selfishness and that means scape goating anyone who is not like them.

The Tories started neo liberal economics in this country and continue with them and it will eventually bankrupt us and lead to civil disorder as fewer people are able to participate in the economy.

Pure hyperbole. Zero substance.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:41 PM

I think the question is why has productivity in the UK remained stubbornly low for such a long period? I recall reading reports on this 50 years ago when Japan, the USA and Germany were forging ahead. Whilst we have kept apace with Germany over recent decades in terms of productivity growth, from a lower base, which has always been in the range of 2%-3% PA, this last recession has shown no recovery in that trend. In fact we are losing ground.

Clearly there will be no significant increases in basic wages unless these are accompanied by increases in productivity. Invest in modern automated machinery helps, but this kills off jobs and creates fewer requiring higher levels of skill. Whilst this is is a complex one I think that our current problem is that there are far too many people prepared to take on low paid jobs with flexible contracts and this inhibits such productivity improving but job killing investment. . . .

RJD

Dec 4 2014, 05:43 PM

C-too

Dec 4 2014, 03:41 PM

Rich

Dec 3 2014, 08:14 PM

Rich

Dec 3 2014, 08:10 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

I must confess, I found the Chancellors quip regarding the red planet as very funny and it certainly hit home.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/autumn-statement--george-osborne-s-jokes-161647774.html

It's a pitty he's not that good with the economy.

True, but he is an improvement on the last lot and that is all he has going for him.

Steve K

Dec 7 2014, 02:23 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Sorry for the correction, but you are referring to "relative poverty" not the absolute variety and yes a few Pennies per week to parents allowed the Spinner in Chief of the left to claim they had lifted 2m out of poverty. Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children. Same sort of spin goes on with wages, poor wages due to credits do not necessarily mean wage poverty.

Ahem, that was my point

The Edanistas (formerly known as Gorgonistas) rant on about millions in the UK being in poverty using newspeak. Take them to real poverty as UNESCO knows it and they would die of shock. But it was NewLab that told us they'd make poverty history and their followers are so up their own fundamental orifices they can't see they have both feet in their mouths.

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:59 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:59 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’ because they lack basic budgeting skills.

Many more cannot cook even the simplest meals for their children – leaving them to go hungry.

The MPs call upon TEACHERS to do more to report parents from chaotic households so they can receive help from ‘troubled families’ units.

However, they conclude: ‘We should not leave the duty resting with schools. Parents have duties, and these duties are not abated by the chaos resulting from their lifestyle.’

Also this is not only a UK problem

In the EUROPEAN UNION, a quarter of the population(125 million people) is at risk of poverty or social exclusion, 11% cannot afford a meal with meat, chicken or fish every second day (Source Eurostat).

The European Federation of Food Banks (FEBA) brings together 256 food banks in 21 countries in Europe. Its goal is to give each person in Europe, access to a sufficient and balanced DIET, through the fight against waste and call for solidarity.

In 2013, the European Food Banks distributed 402 000 tons of food, equivalent to 804 million meals, to 5,7 million people in partnership with 31 000 charitable organisations and SOCIAL SERVICES.

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’

Tigger

Dec 7 2014, 02:02 PM

I'll keep this fairly brief, the answer is short termism and crap management that cannot plan any further ahead than this time next week.

When I set about expanding my business ten years ago I got this advice from my then bank, borrow lots of money, the advice from a management consultancy was to cut costs (ie wages) and undercut potential rivals, the local job centre was convinced that people who could barely speak English would be best placed to read complex architectural plans, (but they were cheap) and the idea of retraining staff at some not insignificant cost did not go down well with the accountant we had at the time.

I found the inspiration and indeed a lot of the technical help across the North Sea in Denmark and Germany.

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 04:10 PM

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:59 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’ because they lack basic budgeting skills.

Many more cannot cook even the simplest meals for their children – leaving them to go hungry.

The MPs call upon TEACHERS to do more to report parents from chaotic households so they can receive help from ‘troubled families’ units.

However, they conclude: ‘We should not leave the duty resting with schools. Parents have duties, and these duties are not abated by the chaos resulting from their lifestyle.’

Also this is not only a UK problem

In the EUROPEAN UNION, a quarter of the population(125 million people) is at risk of poverty or social exclusion, 11% cannot afford a meal with meat, chicken or fish every second day (Source Eurostat).

The European Federation of Food Banks (FEBA) brings together 256 food banks in 21 countries in Europe. Its goal is to give each person in Europe, access to a sufficient and balanced DIET, through the fight against waste and call for solidarity.

In 2013, the European Food Banks distributed 402 000 tons of food, equivalent to 804 million meals, to 5,7 million people in partnership with 31 000 charitable organisations and SOCIAL SERVICES.

Transferring the blame again, putting the onus of responsibility om others, and once more tarring every sufferer with the Chav brush ........ The report stated where the problems arise ....... it is with Administration! Probably because the staffing levels, the people handling these claims, are unable to keep pace with demand. Cuts will do that!

papasmurf

Dec 8 2014, 04:15 PM

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’

It stated NO such thing, I suggest taking that comment back, or put it in context:-

https://foodpovertyinquiry.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/food-poverty-feeding-britain-final.pdf

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 04:30 PM

papasmurf

Dec 8 2014, 04:15 PM

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’

It stated NO such thing, I suggest taking that comment back, or put it in context:-

https://foodpovertyinquiry.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/food-poverty-feeding-britain-final.pdf

You know you have won the argument (I can't call it debate) when the opposition resort to invention.

RJD

Dec 9 2014, 03:02 PM

Dumbing down, deskilling and pumping up Big Nanny was a very big mistake and it will take a decade or so to get over, if ever.

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:54 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

Rich

Dec 9 2014, 08:07 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:54 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

Apparently there are many food banks.....we are also constantly told that the country is suffering a widescale problem of obesity, mainly in the poor sector, one cannot have it both ways.

RJD

Dec 9 2014, 03:02 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 04:30 PM

papasmurf

Dec 8 2014, 04:15 PM

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’

It stated NO such thing, I suggest taking that comment back, or put it in context:-

https://foodpovertyinquiry.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/food-poverty-feeding-britain-final.pdf

You know you have won the argument (I can't call it debate) when the opposition resort to invention.

I think the report did a good job of avoiding the blame game and recognising that the problems are a lot more complex than the simplistic one liners offered on this forum. The truth is that all, Labour and Tory predecessors, are to blame and all are part of a solution and this includes those that find them,selves in need to support. All that said much of the solution lies in making the UK a country that once again produces a growing demand for real skills. Dumbing down, deskilling and pumping up Big Nanny was a very big mistake and it will take a decade or so to get over, if ever.

Rich

Dec 9 2014, 08:07 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:54 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

Apparently there are many food banks.....we are also constantly told that the country is suffering a widescale problem of obesity, mainly in the poor sector, one cannot have it both ways.

Tigger

Dec 9 2014, 09:01 PM

Rich

Dec 9 2014, 08:07 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:54 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

Apparently there are many food banks.....we are also constantly told that the country is suffering a widescale problem of obesity, mainly in the poor sector, one cannot have it both ways.

Brain not engaged Rich?

RJD

Dec 9 2014, 03:02 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 04:30 PM

papasmurf

Dec 8 2014, 04:15 PM

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’

It stated NO such thing, I suggest taking that comment back, or put it in context:-

https://foodpovertyinquiry.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/food-poverty-feeding-britain-final.pdf

You know you have won the argument (I can't call it debate) when the opposition resort to invention.

I think the report did a good job of avoiding the blame game and recognising that the problems are a lot more complex than the simplistic one liners offered on this forum. The truth is that all, Labour and Tory predecessors, are to blame and all are part of a solution and this includes those that find them,selves in need to support. All that said much of the solution lies in making the UK a country that once again produces a growing demand for real skills. Dumbing down, deskilling and pumping up Big Nanny was a very big mistake and it will take a decade or so to get over, if ever.

Lewis

Dec 9 2014, 08:30 PM

Rich

Dec 9 2014, 08:07 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:54 PM

RJD

Dec 7 2014, 01:46 PM

Nobody even bothered to check whether or not just one of those Pennies went into food for children.

Such concern for for what was, or supposedly was, but is there any for what is - Today's Parliamentary Committee report blaming problems with the Welfare reforms for the increased and increasing need for food banks. It states that many families are one unexpected bill away from crisis.

Apparently there are many food banks.....we are also constantly told that the country is suffering a widescale problem of obesity, mainly in the poor sector, one cannot have it both ways.

People with cash problems tend to feed on the cheaper, more processed foods. These tend to be loaded with sugar, salt and fats. You don't have to be starving to be malnourished.

Affa

Dec 9 2014, 09:22 PM

Tigger

Dec 9 2014, 09:01 PM

Rich

Dec 9 2014, 08:07 PM

Affa

Dec 8 2014, 03:54 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Apparently there are many food banks.....we are also constantly told that the country is suffering a widescale problem of obesity, mainly in the poor sector, one cannot have it both ways.

Brain not engaged Rich?

That'd explain it!

ACH1967

Dec 10 2014, 11:18 AM

Let’s try a slightly different approach.
Are people saying that all of people who use food banks are con artists? If not then there is clearly a growing demand for food banks. This means there are people, for whatever reason, who do not have enough money for food. This is not a good thing for any society .

papasmurf

Dec 8 2014, 04:15 PM

jaguar

Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM

The all-party Commons group on hunger warned that some parents spend far too much money on cigarettes, alcohol, takeaways and other ‘non-essential items of expenditure’

It stated NO such thing, I suggest taking that comment back, or put it in context:-

https://foodpovertyinquiry.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/food-poverty-feeding-britain-final.pdf

ACH1967

Dec 10 2014, 01:26 PM

So jaguar is correct.

Affa

Dec 10 2014, 03:54 PM

Food Banks numbers are the tip of the iceberg ......... many more are struggling and do not visit.
It isn't correct to determine that all people making food bank claims are there because they waste money on cigs (or other). The findings are that it is the none arrival of benefit giros causing the crisis as the major problem ......... spin will not escape that conclusion, simply because the criteria being used exposes those that do waste their money.
Claimants are assessed their difficulties analysed and entitlement approved by a care expert ........ you people hang your coat on a peg (cigs) that can't take the weight of the BS it is carrying.

ACH1967

Dec 10 2014, 04:08 PM

I absolutely agree but denying the truth of someone elses post and trying to pretend that a report doesn't say what it clearly says doesn't spread truth.

Affa

Dec 9 2014, 05:57 PM

RJD

Dec 9 2014, 03:02 PM

Dumbing down, deskilling and pumping up Big Nanny was a very big mistake and it will take a decade or so to get over, if ever.

Sarcasm has mentioning previous Tory governments as being the object being referred to here .......... it BIG NANNY under Thatcher for example - and little Nanny when Brown was Chancellor.

Affa

Dec 10 2014, 03:54 PM

Food Banks numbers are the tip of the iceberg ......... many more are struggling and do not visit.
It isn't correct to determine that all people making food bank claims are there because they waste money on cigs (or other). The findings are that it is the none arrival of benefit giros causing the crisis as the major problem ......... spin will not escape that conclusion, simply because the criteria being used exposes those that do waste their money.
Claimants are assessed their difficulties analysed and entitlement approved by a care expert ........ you people hang your coat on a peg (cigs) that can't take the weight of the BS it is carrying.