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| Topic Started: Dec 11 2014, 03:26 PM (665 Views) | |
| RJD | Dec 11 2014, 03:26 PM Post #1 |
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Are these the businesses the Little Luddite Englanders, who regularly post here, wish to forceable close and replace with metal bending, pencil manufacturing and the fitting of imported products designed to catch sunbeams on wet, dark, dank roofs? It certainly will take a lot of low skilled workers a very long time to generate that level of added value. |
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| Tigger | Dec 13 2014, 02:02 PM Post #41 |
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More generic cobblers. Get yourself a copy of Sir John Harvey Jones's book Trouble Shooter 2, he goes into great detail about the poor quality of British management, he attacks entrenched ideas, self satisfaction and yes you've guessed it a lack of investment in favour of short term profits. Still what does he know compared to you? After all he only turned round ICI after years of decline and piss poor management............... |
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| RJD | Dec 13 2014, 03:58 PM Post #42 |
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You are qualified to comment on your own experiences which cannot be extrapolated into a general conclusion. You know a little of the business and management of the company you were employed by, why you stayed on is beyond me. |
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| RJD | Dec 13 2014, 04:00 PM Post #43 |
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Ignorant tripe without one iota of substance. I do not expect more from you as this is about the best you have and that is vacuous nonsense, no doubt driven by some feeling of inadequacy. |
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| Affa | Dec 13 2014, 06:37 PM Post #44 |
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'ignorance', 'tripe', 'lacking substance'. 'vacuous', 'nonsense', ........ 'inadequacy'. Unbiased opinion = wrongly directed. I saw more of those things in the reply and none at all in the post they are addressed to. edit ..... on reading, I must add 'and this'. Where is also a matter of opinion. Edited by Affa, Dec 13 2014, 06:41 PM.
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| Tigger | Dec 13 2014, 08:00 PM Post #45 |
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The inadequacy is all yours as you failed to counter my line of reasoning. Someone had to tell you, and in this instance it was me! (psst the book mentioned is still available on Amazon and is a veritable Bible for two bit operators like me who don't have the wisdom of a stellar corporate career to fall back on) |
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| papasmurf | Dec 14 2014, 09:00 AM Post #46 |
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Businesses plural RJD, and they all no longer exist because the management in all cases could not run a party in a brewery. Plus not a strike in any of them. Edited by papasmurf, Dec 14 2014, 09:03 AM.
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| HIGHWAY | Dec 14 2014, 09:28 AM Post #47 |
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The management in companies you worked in were bad,maybe it was you and the rest of the workers who were bad,,that made the firms fold up |
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| papasmurf | Dec 14 2014, 09:42 AM Post #48 |
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The workers went above and beyond trying to keep the companies afloat, all the management did was spend more time down the pub at lunch time. |
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| HIGHWAY | Dec 14 2014, 10:19 AM Post #49 |
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Your saying all the managers went to the pub at lunchtime,,in all the companies you worked for? |
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| Steve K | Dec 14 2014, 10:55 AM Post #50 |
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Well that's your experience. In over 30 years as a manager/director I saw lunchtimes as an opportunity to get some work done without interruption, much the same for any time after 5pm. I was far from alone in my peer group and that includes rival companies. I knew one or two that would go to the pub on almost any excuse, unsurprisingly they didn't last long as they had no respect from their staff or peers. Modern management is tough, you not only have to want to make a difference, you have to be able to actually deliver on that and back your ideas with serious hours of unpaid time. |
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| Tigger | Dec 14 2014, 11:16 AM Post #51 |
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Indeed, the only thing I'd quibble on would be excess hours, with practical based work mistakes due to tiredness or a lack of concentration can negate any gains. Work smarter not harder. |
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| Steve K | Dec 14 2014, 04:39 PM Post #52 |
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Horses for courses applies. I found what worked for me was being available from 9.30 to 5 for meetings, to be seen and most importantly for anyone to talk to me. I'd then typically work til 8 trying to make some sort of sense of all that input. Occasionally I'd take it all home and after a mini doze work from 1am to 4am. Those small hours are when I could think so so clearly and get so much work done and certainly my best intellectual work. Other people can do the same by coming in to work early. If you try and be a manager working less hours than your staff you will get found out so so quickly and while you may be able to get people to obey you, the best ones will never follow you - and that's what you really need |
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| RJD | Dec 14 2014, 06:07 PM Post #53 |
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Should I jump to the conclusion that you are the common denominator? |
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| RJD | Dec 14 2014, 06:13 PM Post #54 |
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In 30 years my emoluments were geared to performance and this was particularly so with the companies that I owned. Most on the Shop Floor have absolutely not idea what goes into the mix, how difficult it often is to make Management decisions and this is particularly so when it comes to the expectations from investments in development of new products by teams that have just let you down on the last one. Behind all of this stands your reputation and likely your assets tied up in your marital home. |
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| Tigger | Dec 14 2014, 06:53 PM Post #55 |
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Well I admire and envy your commitment and stamina, unfortunately without a proper nights sleep I'd be extra sarcastic and get bogged down in detail. I found delegating a lot of general responsibility the best way and then setting two people similar tasks. |
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| Lewis | Dec 14 2014, 06:59 PM Post #56 |
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What does someone like you know about manufacturing or Germany? You obviously never worked in the sector, so why maintain the pretence! Tigger has firmly hit the 'nail on the head'. That's an analogy for 'metal bashing', something you know nothing about. This country has suffered from poor management across many sectors from Tesco to manufacturing to government, for many decades. The managers are usually public schoolboy twerps who know nothing about real life. For a splendid example we only need look at your very own Tory Party, full of twits like Scameron who couldn't run a tap without detailed instruction, never mind the country. |
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| Tigger | Dec 14 2014, 07:40 PM Post #57 |
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Let's see if we can spot the difference between Gordon Brown and RJD. In 2005 the then Chancellor Gordon Brown criticised the German economy that was only growing at a fraction of a percent, old fashioned metal bashing was old hat and Britain was leading the way with it's dynamic financial services industry, in truth the Germans had spent several painful years paying for re unification and modernizing and re organising it's manufacturing base, Britain was in the grip of it's latest housing boom and it's finance sector was as it turned out a lot less clever than it thought. Nine years on someone on here tells us about the latest smoke and mirrors exercise / Ponzi scheme currently taking place in the City, this time it's got a flashy new name "Fin Tech," this person then criticises the Germans for bashing metal, making pencils and hanging onto what he claims are low skilled and essentially pointless jobs, I'll not mention the balance sheets of either country as that would be cruel. So you see folks two different ends of the political spectrum and almost a decade in time apart and yet we still keep hearing the same pathetic reasoning! And to cap it all at least one of these people has not learnt a single lesson and is busy patting himself on the back.......... Old school British management? I would not give it the steam off my piss.......... |
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