Russell Brand v Nigel Farage

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Russell Brand v Nigel Farage
Topic Started: Dec 13 2014, 02:01 AM (1,047 Views)
Cymru	Dec 13 2014, 02:01 AM Post #1
Alt-Right Posts: 3,504 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11289211/Russell-Brand-v-Nigel-Farage-the-audience-won-by-knockout.html Farage wins by default. Brand was out of his comfort zone with issues he knew nothing about and it showed.



Gnikkk	Dec 13 2014, 02:29 AM Post #2
Regular Member Posts: 1,162 Group: Members Member #45 Joined: Jul 5, 2014	I haven't read what RB has met with, I have to say I like his banter. But he came across as a total twit and was murdered by Farage and his own foul mouthed supporters.



Heinrich	Dec 13 2014, 03:50 AM Post #3
Regular Guy Posts: 2,920 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: Jul 22, 2014	Russell Brand is a hairy windbag and Nigel Faberge is very English in a shallow sort of way. I would not want to breathe the same air as either.



Marconi	Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM Post #4
Regular Member Posts: 775 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Edited by Marconi, Dec 13 2014, 07:01 AM.



Happy Hornet	Dec 13 2014, 09:40 AM Post #5
Senior Member Posts: 4,765 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Marconi, that's my view as well. Farrage I think was probably right about how back in the day there was a clear choice about who to vote for due to obvious ideological differences between cons and labour. However in my whole adult life I've never voted FOR anyone, but have tried to work out who is the lesser of several evils. The same applies at the next general election, I will be voting for the greens not because I agree with their policies but because I can't bring myself to vote for any of the establishment parties (and yes I include UKIP in that) it's a protest vote, again.



Tigger	Dec 13 2014, 12:08 PM Post #6
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Marconi Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM 'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Exactly, the press are as incestuous as our mainstream politicians and will close ranks when someone as vocal as Brand appears on the scene, if you shove the truth under people noses in this country and embarrass them they will instinctively think you are wrong, facts seldom matter to these people.



ranger121	Dec 13 2014, 12:34 PM Post #7
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	IMO, Farage came across as a chap with all the answers, whereas Brand was trying to score points with soundbites. He visibly shrivelled in his seat when the guy with the stick told him if he was so 'in touch' and worthy of us listening to him, all he had to do was stand for Parliament. Surely, if even a small number of people backed him to the hilt (he claims to have the backing of large numbers) he'll get elected? Unfortunately, he's apparently scared of becoming "the same as them", which was his rather feeble excuse.



Steve K	Dec 13 2014, 12:55 PM Post #8
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	ranger121 Dec 13 2014, 12:34 PM IMO, Farage came across as a chap with all the answers, whereas Brand was trying to score points with soundbites. He visibly shrivelled in his seat when the guy with the stick told him if he was so 'in touch' and worthy of us listening to him, all he had to do was stand for Parliament. Surely, if even a small number of people backed him to the hilt (he claims to have the backing of large numbers) he'll get elected? Unfortunately, he's apparently scared of becoming "the same as them", which was his rather feeble excuse. That was the brother of a UKIP MEP that we are supposed to believe just happened to be there. Questionable Time should be Farage's home ground so he should win - and IMHO he did but it wasn't a thrashing. But as for "having all the answers" that's very easy if you make up answers on the fly - as he was. "UK Population was 55 million in 1990" No Nigel that was in 1967 and yet you expect the intelligent voter to believe you really have done a careful analysis of the net benefit of leaving the EU? QT Nigel v Russell in readable form here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-30384758



Happy Hornet	Dec 13 2014, 01:23 PM Post #9
Senior Member Posts: 4,765 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	I'd agree with Steve that Farrage edged it, but if he's up against a comedian he should be winning at a canter. I also thought he was given an easier ride than Brand. For instance Brand was rightly pressed re: his elusiveness on immigration yet nobody pressed Farrage re: his apparent unwillingness to comment on his friends in the city.



Affa	Dec 13 2014, 01:52 PM Post #10
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	ranger121 Dec 13 2014, 12:34 PM IMO, Farage came across as a chap with all the answers, whereas Brand was trying to score points with soundbites. He visibly shrivelled in his seat when the guy with the stick told him if he was so 'in touch' and worthy of us listening to him, all he had to do was stand for Parliament. Surely, if even a small number of people backed him to the hilt (he claims to have the backing of large numbers) he'll get elected? Unfortunately, he's apparently scared of becoming "the same as them", which was his rather feeble excuse. The White suited Martin Bell springs to mind. I have forever wondered why it was that the expenses scandal remained hidden for so long when he was an MP and in a position to 'clean up politics' and didn't ....... ? More questions than answers there, and I do wonder at the ability of the establishment to protect itself. Martin Bell was/is I feel sure a man of integrity. But as an MP he was an utter failure. Silenced & Broken imo.



jaguar	Dec 13 2014, 02:18 PM Post #11
Regular Member Posts: 980 Group: Members Member #26 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	All brand did was insult Farage and focus on him, Brand cannot deal with criticism, he just can't, he resorts to childish name calling, a stamping hissy fit or pouty silence. Last night it was pouty silence after being called out by someone, then supported by some childish name caller in the back row who no-one else in the audience liked. If she sums up his support base, then he's stuffed. He does not speak for the people, just like Farage doesn't. But at least Farage has put himself on the line to get elected, all Brand does is talk about destroying the system and replacing it with something unspecified that would definitely be better, honest, not really! I didn't quite understand the "give us something to vote for" that was particularly telling. You mean there's no party that represents your views Russell? what about the SWP? or any of the 'true socialist' parties? I think what he means is the party and policies I like haven't got a cat in hells chance at the polls. So i'll just attack a right of centre one that is attracting votes. He just came across as yet another bitter and twisted 6th form college bar room Trotskyite loudmouth.



RJD	Dec 13 2014, 03:55 PM Post #12
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	jaguar Dec 13 2014, 02:18 PM All brand did was insult Farage and focus on him, Brand cannot deal with criticism, he just can't, he resorts to childish name calling, a stamping hissy fit or pouty silence. Last night it was pouty silence after being called out by someone, then supported by some childish name caller in the back row who no-one else in the audience liked. If she sums up his support base, then he's stuffed. He does not speak for the people, just like Farage doesn't. But at least Farage has put himself on the line to get elected, all Brand does is talk about destroying the system and replacing it with something unspecified that would definitely be better, honest, not really! I didn't quite understand the "give us something to vote for" that was particularly telling. You mean there's no party that represents your views Russell? what about the SWP? or any of the 'true socialist' parties? I think what he means is the party and policies I like haven't got a cat in hells chance at the polls. So i'll just attack a right of centre one that is attracting votes. He just came across as yet another bitter and twisted 6th form college bar room Trotskyite loudmouth. Why should you expect more from Brand? He is a suitable example of that ilk.



ranger121	Dec 13 2014, 04:24 PM Post #13
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Maybe Bland was hoping that a Nick-Griffin type demolition of Farage was going to happen. He was sadly mistaken, and profoundly dismayed to find large numbers of the audience in front of him nodding agreement with some of what Farage said. Apart from the 'woman with the silly hair' at the back, of course.



marybrown	Dec 13 2014, 04:42 PM Post #14
Senior Member Posts: 10,516 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: Jul 27, 2014	ranger121 Dec 13 2014, 04:24 PM Maybe Bland was hoping that a Nick-Griffin type demolition of Farage was going to happen. He was sadly mistaken, and profoundly dismayed to find large numbers of the audience in front of him nodding agreement with some of what Farage said. Apart from the 'woman with the silly hair' at the back, of course. what does blank do..erase him immediately from our TV screens..don't give this man anymore publicity what so ever.. He's a total knob..



krugerman	Dec 13 2014, 05:12 PM Post #15
Regular Member Posts: 1,152 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Marconi Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM 'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Best response so far by Marconi I watched the episope and some of the loudest cheers and applause was when Brand accused Farage and UKIP of attempting to blame all the ills of our country on immigrants and migrants, and I agree with Brand 101%. The entertainer went on to say that if we wish to point the finger of blame, then blame Nigels friends in the city, banking and financial world, and do you know what ?..........He s right again.



marybrown	Dec 13 2014, 05:17 PM Post #16
Senior Member Posts: 10,516 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: Jul 27, 2014	krugerman Dec 13 2014, 05:12 PM Marconi Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM 'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Best response so far by Marconi I watched the episope and some of the loudest cheers and applause was when Brand accused Farage and UKIP of attempting to blame all the ills of our country on immigrants and migrants, and I agree with Brand 101%. The entertainer went on to say that if we wish to point the finger of blame, then blame Nigels friends in the city, banking and financial world, and do you know what ?..........He s right again. Well what happened when someone said ''Put yourself up for election then'' Brand went white..and said ''I wouldn't like to become like them!'' Load of tosh or what?



Tytoalba	Dec 13 2014, 05:33 PM Post #17
Senior Member Posts: 7,586 Group: Members Member #36 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	Marconi Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM 'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Why not give himself? He may be standing up to be counted on his very narrow agenda on Facebook, but he wont use his many millions to stand up to be counted in a General election. The mans a hypocrite, and a very shallow one at that.. Like so many other millionaires on the left of politics, he claim to be for the poor, but is lining their own pockets and living high on the hog. Just think of the number of food banks theynd Brand could support. If his supporters are identical to those in the programme , then he will have no chance at all. There is an old expression that typifies him. All mouth and trousers. He has done himself no good at all but has opened a few eyes to his true self. Tony Benn the arch left winger, left £5 million in his will,but paid minimum death duties by the use of tax avoidance measures. They don't exactly put their own money where their mouths are, do they ?



ranger121	Dec 13 2014, 06:08 PM Post #18
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	One has to admit, Mr Brand has worked hard for his money. He can afford to rent a house in Hampstead. Nice. But his record for getting fired from jobs such as MTV, making vicious phone calls to a pensioner about his Grand-daughter to get himself fired off the radio, appearing drunk/stoned whilst hosting an award ceremony, previous admitted Heroin use, and according to the Wiki, "diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and bipolar disorder" - that's hardly a sparkling CV for a prospective MP, is it? Has Farage managed any of these? Apart from having worked in the black-bent-corrupt city, of course; that's got to be worse, hasn't it?



jaguar	Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM Post #19
Regular Member Posts: 980 Group: Members Member #26 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	krugerman Dec 13 2014, 05:12 PM Marconi Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM 'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Best response so far by Marconi I watched the episope and some of the loudest cheers and applause was when Brand accused Farage and UKIP of attempting to blame all the ills of our country on immigrants and migrants, and I agree with Brand 101%. The entertainer went on to say that if we wish to point the finger of blame, then blame Nigels friends in the city, banking and financial world, and do you know what ?..........He s right again. If it offends your delicate leftist psyche that his work was in the city, that is down to your own demons. Does not take anything away from the fact he has worked.



krugerman	Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM Post #20
Regular Member Posts: 1,152 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	It is tradition on QT to invite a couple of non-politicians onto the panel, usualy journalists, but sometimes famous people such as authors, entertainers, columnists and business people. You dont need to be a politician to have an opinion, and you dont have to stand for election in order to criticise either a political party or individual, Mr Brand has a right to his opinion, whether you agree with him or not. To be honest I dont really know much about him as a comedian, but I sure do like his opinions.



jaguar	Dec 13 2014, 07:16 PM Post #21
Regular Member Posts: 980 Group: Members Member #26 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	krugerman Dec 13 2014, 05:12 PM Marconi Dec 13 2014, 05:58 AM 'The audience won by a knockout.' That is good enough for me. But The Telegraph have been trying to make it look that Brand lost. He didn't. He nailed it for me with the simple line ''Give us something to vote FOR''. In the last few general elections I felt that I could only vote against. Best response so far by Marconi I watched the episope and some of the loudest cheers and applause was when Brand accused Farage and UKIP of attempting to blame all the ills of our country on immigrants and migrants, and I agree with Brand 101%. The entertainer went on to say that if we wish to point the finger of blame, then blame Nigels friends in the city, banking and financial world, and do you know what ?..........He s right again. If it offends your delicate leftist psyche that his work was in the city, that is down to your own demons. Does not take anything away from the fact he has worked.



jaguar	Dec 13 2014, 07:19 PM Post #22
Regular Member Posts: 980 Group: Members Member #26 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	krugerman Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM It is tradition on QT to invite a couple of non-politicians onto the panel, usualy journalists, but sometimes famous people such as authors, entertainers, columnists and business people. You dont need to be a politician to have an opinion, and you dont have to stand for election in order to criticise either a political party or individual, Mr Brand has a right to his opinion, whether you agree with him or not. To be honest I dont really know much about him as a comedian, but I sure do like his opinions. Brand is not a revolutionary. When he went to that protest in London and stood with people, an hour later he ended up going to a party to hang out with celebrities. Nothing revolutionary about him, a multi millionaire using political philosophy to keep himself relevant. Real militant revolutionary leaders take on the state and fight it.



ranger121	Dec 13 2014, 07:32 PM Post #23
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	At this point, one should shop Brand's face onto this image, although Wolfie lived on benefits.



Affa	Dec 13 2014, 07:34 PM Post #24
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Lots of Officer's Mess stuff on here ........ or Captain's table conversation ...... "Brand maybe rich, but he's still a commoner". "Not one of us".



ranger121	Dec 13 2014, 07:42 PM Post #25
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Was the question ever asked, "Why does someone who lives off the state actively rebel against it?" Harry probably did, and maybe had a point.



Affa	Dec 13 2014, 09:15 PM Post #26
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	ranger121 Dec 13 2014, 07:42 PM Was the question ever asked, "Why does someone who lives off the state actively rebel against it?" Harry probably did, and maybe had a point. Answer:- Because they'd rather not live off the State but are unable to access the job market where wages are high enough to be no longer State subsidised.



papasmurf	Dec 13 2014, 09:54 PM Post #27
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	ranger121 Dec 13 2014, 07:32 PM At this point, one should shop Brand's face onto this image, although Wolfie lived on benefits.



ranger121	Dec 13 2014, 09:59 PM Post #28
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Nigel Farage is the Pink Panther, Cameron is the other guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lKdaXX6Eo The music is excellent, by the way.



Marconi	Dec 13 2014, 10:30 PM Post #29
Regular Member Posts: 775 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	Affa Dec 13 2014, 07:34 PM Lots of Officer's Mess stuff on here ........ or Captain's table conversation ...... "Brand maybe rich, but he's still a commoner". "Not one of us". Yep, Class War ended years ago and what a stupid war that was. I have a lot of respect for those who have both money AND a social conscience, because they could easily pull up the drawbridge and not give a fig, like so many others do. Brand does not speak for me. Of course not all politicians and bankers are corrupt, that would be ridiculous. But he is right to call them out, to look at their own actions and the consequences that follow. Farage and Brand both represent opposite extremes of the disenfranchised in the UK. I was surprised that immigration was not so such a hot topic for discussion on that programme. And to answer Mary's question about why Brand doesn't stand for election. Why should he. He has positioned himself as to be on the outside looking in. A very comfortable position to be in, admittedly. So much easier there to throw rocks and run away. But he is right about Farage. Watch him. He too sells himself as someone who attacks the political elite. But if he ever got in a position of real power he will just be part of the same elite he claims to attack. As the line says, Here comes the new boss. Same as the old boss. But just an extreme version of what we got now.



Jessamy Bride	Dec 13 2014, 10:56 PM Post #30
Regular Pub Goer Posts: 1,943 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	I like Russell Brand he is incredibly quick witted and funny.......but I just can't take his political machinations seriously Its too much shallow rhetoric and doesn't stand up to scrutiny. He was shown up on Thursday.....not by Farage but by the guy in the audience who had a go at him. People have really deep concerns which need sensible discussion and debate....not aging hippie nonsense. Political point scoring bickering isn't helping to engage people either Nor is the fawning all over the audience and just saying what people want to hear I'd much rather have more objective clarity



Tytoalba	Dec 13 2014, 11:39 PM Post #31
Senior Member Posts: 7,586 Group: Members Member #36 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	krugerman Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM It is tradition on QT to invite a couple of non-politicians onto the panel, usualy journalists, but sometimes famous people such as authors, entertainers, columnists and business people. You dont need to be a politician to have an opinion, and you dont have to stand for election in order to criticise either a political party or individual, Mr Brand has a right to his opinion, whether you agree with him or not. To be honest I dont really know much about him as a comedian, but I sure do like his opinions. His opinions are generalities, not specific. The idea that all bankers, politicians and those working in the city are scoundrels has to be total nonsense. They have been made political scapegoats by such as Brand and his supporters. That's not to say that some are not, but then such characteristics exist in all walks of life. My GP in London killed two of his wives, but that is not to suggest that all Doctors are Murderers. murderpedia.org/male.B/b/baksh-john.htm



Steve K	Dec 14 2014, 12:31 AM Post #32
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Well said



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 07:43 AM Post #33
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Tytoalba Dec 13 2014, 11:39 PM The idea that all bankers, politicians and those working in the city are scoundrels has to be total nonsense. Not all, but a very high percentage are scoundrels. Basically most of the population are being shafted by them:-



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 07:51 AM Post #34
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 07:43 AM Tytoalba Dec 13 2014, 11:39 PM The idea that all bankers, politicians and those working in the city are scoundrels has to be total nonsense. Not all, but a very high percentage are scoundrels. Basically most of the population are being shafted by them:- The benefit cheat.



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 08:04 AM Post #35
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 07:51 AM The benefit cheat. Care to explain your perverse reasoning. Especially now after some large donations to the Tory party has resulted in this:- http://citywire.co.uk/money/government-drops-plans-to-criminalise-offshore-tax-evasion/a789310 Government drops plans to criminalise offshore tax evasion HM Revenue & Customs omits a measure from the Finance Bill that would have made failure to declare offshore income a criminal offence. by Jun Merrett on Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24 Edited by papasmurf, Dec 14 2014, 08:11 AM.



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 08:24 AM Post #36
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 08:04 AM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 07:51 AM The benefit cheat. Care to explain your perverse reasoning. Especially now after some large donations to the Tory party has resulted in this:- http://citywire.co.uk/money/government-drops-plans-to-criminalise-offshore-tax-evasion/a789310 Government drops plans to criminalise offshore tax evasion HM Revenue & Customs omits a measure from the Finance Bill that would have made failure to declare offshore income a criminal offence. by Jun Merrett on Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24 You asked a question,I gave you an answer that you didn't like,so you call me perverse and want clarification on my answer. If I had gave you the answer you wanted would you have still wanted clarification?



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 08:32 AM Post #37
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 08:24 AM You asked a question,I gave you an answer that you didn't like,so you call me perverse and want clarification on my answer. If I had gave you the answer you wanted would you have still wanted clarification? You are perverse if you think collecting £1.2 billion of tax payers money is more important than collecting £120 billion. You really do need to explain yourself.



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 08:34 AM Post #38
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 08:32 AM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 08:24 AM You asked a question,I gave you an answer that you didn't like,so you call me perverse and want clarification on my answer. If I had gave you the answer you wanted would you have still wanted clarification? You are perverse if you think collecting £1.2 billion of tax payers money is more important than collecting £120 billion. You really do need to explain yourself. No I don't I fave you an answer to your question,if you don't like it,it's not my fault.



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 08:46 AM Post #39
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 08:34 AM it's not my fault. It is your fault, your mind set is perverse and illogical.



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 09:05 AM Post #40
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 08:46 AM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 08:34 AM it's not my fault. It is your fault, your mind set is perverse and illogical. Yet again,because I give you an answer you don't like,you call me perverse,



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