Russell Brand v Nigel Farage

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Russell Brand v Nigel Farage
Topic Started: Dec 13 2014, 02:01 AM (1,050 Views)
Cymru	Dec 13 2014, 02:01 AM Post #1
Alt-Right Posts: 3,504 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11289211/Russell-Brand-v-Nigel-Farage-the-audience-won-by-knockout.html Farage wins by default. Brand was out of his comfort zone with issues he knew nothing about and it showed.

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papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 12:47 PM Post #81
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 12:41 PM Here it comes,,,it's this governments fault,,,not the previous governments The previous government was not handed all the evaders foreign bank account details on a plate, the current one was. What has HMRC and Osborne done with that information? Nothing.



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 12:59 PM Post #82
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 12:47 PM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 12:41 PM Here it comes,,,it's this governments fault,,,not the previous governments The previous government was not handed all the evaders foreign bank account details on a plate, the current one was. What has HMRC and Osborne done with that information? Nothing. Zzzzzz you keep saying that,,,apart from it's usually a silver platter



Marconi	Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM Post #83
Regular Member Posts: 775 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	Papasmurf, if you told him you were wearing a white scarf he'd tell you it is black.



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 02:00 PM Post #84
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Marconi Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM Papasmurf, if you told him you were wearing a white scarf he'd tell you it is black. He really is a waste of time to be honest I cannot believe he can possibly be that thick which is why I am certain he is trolling.



Affa	Dec 14 2014, 02:23 PM Post #85
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	I do think that apart from not paying the due taxes, this issue of the money in offshore accounts leaving the economy is doubly hurting. Capitalism should have a social conscience!



ranger121	Dec 14 2014, 03:00 PM Post #86
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Affa Dec 14 2014, 02:23 PM I do think that apart from not paying the due taxes, this issue of the money in offshore accounts leaving the economy is doubly hurting. Capitalism should have a social conscience! Is it important where the fictitious money is stored?



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 03:25 PM Post #87
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 03:00 PM Affa Dec 14 2014, 02:23 PM I do think that apart from not paying the due taxes, this issue of the money in offshore accounts leaving the economy is doubly hurting. Capitalism should have a social conscience! Is it important where the fictitious money is stored? It isn't fictitious money.



ranger121	Dec 14 2014, 03:29 PM Post #88
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 03:25 PM It isn't fictitious money. I'm afraid money IS a fictitious thing, because you can no longer go to the Bank of England and get the equivalent amount of gold for each pound. You can have a piece of paper which is a promise, but you can't have hard gold. So what exactly is 'money' nowadays? It's a number in your bank account.



johnofgwent	Dec 14 2014, 03:45 PM Post #89
It .. It is GREEN !! Posts: 7,086 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	To be honest the first quarter of an hour showed the best, and the worst, and I lost interest after that ... The opening question from the audience on the decline of public interest and engagement on politics because of the petty nature of it. Brand started well, Nigel made the point that very few of the people in Westminster have any knowlwdge of real life and the world of work, the Labour asshole - and to an extend Brand - could not resist a dig at Farage for having the exact sort of work that MP's "work for" - and the labour asshole suggesting the clear choice between tory and labour being for the few or for the many when blair left the many high and dry while making himself a multi-millionaire ... well that says it all doesnlt it. Brand was absolutely spot on when challenging the tory bimbo who demands firemen work beyind the age they feel is safe, or face the consequences in their wallet of having to retire through ill health like they were some bloody office worker, and the labour haridan cut him off - and had to be told off by Dimbleby for doing his job. all in all a most unsatisfactory fifteen minutes during which farage actually did not get more tan fifteen seconds and the most sense was that made by the woman sitting next to brand, a journalist from a newspaper I forget now. But you see, I have sat in an audience in Question Time when it came to Nrewport to discuss the closure of the passport office amongst other things, and I have seen how it is run.



Marconi	Dec 14 2014, 04:00 PM Post #90
Regular Member Posts: 775 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	johnofgwent Dec 14 2014, 03:45 PM To be honest the first quarter of an hour showed the best, and the worst, and I lost interest after that ... The opening question from the audience on the decline of public interest and engagement on politics because of the petty nature of it. Brand started well, Nigel made the point that very few of the people in Westminster have any knowlwdge of real life and the world of work, the Labour asshole - and to an extend Brand - could not resist a dig at Farage for having the exact sort of work that MP's "work for" - and the labour asshole suggesting the clear choice between tory and labour being for the few or for the many when blair left the many high and dry while making himself a multi-millionaire ... well that says it all doesnlt it. Brand was absolutely spot on when challenging the tory bimbo who demands firemen work beyind the age they feel is safe, or face the consequences in their wallet of having to retire through ill health like they were some bloody office worker, and the labour haridan cut him off - and had to be told off by Dimbleby for doing his job. all in all a most unsatisfactory fifteen minutes during which farage actually did not get more tan fifteen seconds and the most sense was that made by the woman sitting next to brand, a journalist from a newspaper I forget now. But you see, I have sat in an audience in Question Time when it came to Nrewport to discuss the closure of the passport office amongst other things, and I have seen how it is run. I believe that you have mentioned before being in a Question Time audience, and how they are told to whoop, clap, and put their hands up on cue. Here is Russell Brand's comments after the experience - Answer time ''I’ve just got home from recording BBC TV’s political debate show Question Time and if you saw it and found it anti-climactic, I know how you feel. Nigel Farage in the flesh, gin blossomed flesh that it is, inspires sympathy more than fear, an end of the pier, end of the road, end of days politician, who like many people who drink too much has a certain sloppy sadness. Camilla Cavendish who I was sat next to, seemed kindly and the two politicians from opposing parties, that flanked Dimbleby melted into an indistinguishable potage of cautious wonk words before I could properly learn which was blue and which was red. For my part I sat politely on my hands, keen to avoid hollering obscenities after a week of hypocrisy accusations and half-arsed, front page controversy. Only the audience inspire passion or connection. Humanity. The usual preposterous jumble that you see in any of our towns, even if groomed and prepped by Auntie, they comparatively throb with authenticity opposite us, across the shark-eyed bank of cumbersome cameras. The panelists have been together in “the green room” chatting, like before any TV show, and that’s what QT is, a TV show, a timid and tepid debate where the topics and dynamism of the discussion are as wooden and flat as the table we gamely sit around. There is a practice question prior to the record, so the cameras can position and mics can be checked and the audience can practice harrumphing. In my dressing room at the modern Kentish theatre, before my sticky descent, I can hear them being prepped “ask questions, quarrel, applaud, keep those hands up”.



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 04:33 PM Post #91
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	Marconi Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM Papasmurf, if you told him you were wearing a white scarf he'd tell you it is black. Why would I say that??



HIGHWAY	Dec 14 2014, 04:35 PM Post #92
Senior Member Posts: 4,040 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Jul 23, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 02:00 PM Marconi Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM Papasmurf, if you told him you were wearing a white scarf he'd tell you it is black. He really is a waste of time to be honest I cannot believe he can possibly be that thick which is why I am certain he is trolling. If I was a troll for having a different opinion from you,,why have you been calling me perverse ?



Steve K	Dec 14 2014, 04:46 PM Post #93
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Marconi Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM Papasmurf, if you told him you were wearing a white scarf he'd tell you it is black. But in this particular case PS is wearing a white scarf and telling us it is black. It really is improper use of a forum the way he posts such.



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 04:50 PM Post #94
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Steve K Dec 14 2014, 04:46 PM Marconi Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM It really is improper use of a forum the way he posts such. I suggest you have that conversation with Highway.



johnofgwent	Dec 14 2014, 04:50 PM Post #95
It .. It is GREEN !! Posts: 7,086 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Marconi Dec 14 2014, 04:00 PM johnofgwent Dec 14 2014, 03:45 PM To be honest the first quarter of an hour showed the best, and the worst, and I lost interest after that ... The opening question from the audience on the decline of public interest and engagement on politics because of the petty nature of it. Brand started well, Nigel made the point that very few of the people in Westminster have any knowlwdge of real life and the world of work, the Labour asshole - and to an extend Brand - could not resist a dig at Farage for having the exact sort of work that MP's "work for" - and the labour asshole suggesting the clear choice between tory and labour being for the few or for the many when blair left the many high and dry while making himself a multi-millionaire ... well that says it all doesnlt it. Brand was absolutely spot on when challenging the tory bimbo who demands firemen work beyind the age they feel is safe, or face the consequences in their wallet of having to retire through ill health like they were some bloody office worker, and the labour haridan cut him off - and had to be told off by Dimbleby for doing his job. all in all a most unsatisfactory fifteen minutes during which farage actually did not get more tan fifteen seconds and the most sense was that made by the woman sitting next to brand, a journalist from a newspaper I forget now. But you see, I have sat in an audience in Question Time when it came to Nrewport to discuss the closure of the passport office amongst other things, and I have seen how it is run. I believe that you have mentioned before being in a Question Time audience, and how they are told to whoop, clap, and put their hands up on cue. Here is Russell Brand's comments after the experience - Answer time ''I’ve just got home from recording BBC TV’s political debate show Question Time and if you saw it and found it anti-climactic, I know how you feel. Nigel Farage in the flesh, gin blossomed flesh that it is, inspires sympathy more than fear, an end of the pier, end of the road, end of days politician, who like many people who drink too much has a certain sloppy sadness. Camilla Cavendish who I was sat next to, seemed kindly and the two politicians from opposing parties, that flanked Dimbleby melted into an indistinguishable potage of cautious wonk words before I could properly learn which was blue and which was red. For my part I sat politely on my hands, keen to avoid hollering obscenities after a week of hypocrisy accusations and half-arsed, front page controversy. Only the audience inspire passion or connection. Humanity. The usual preposterous jumble that you see in any of our towns, even if groomed and prepped by Auntie, they comparatively throb with authenticity opposite us, across the shark-eyed bank of cumbersome cameras. The panelists have been together in “the green room” chatting, like before any TV show, and that’s what QT is, a TV show, a timid and tepid debate where the topics and dynamism of the discussion are as wooden and flat as the table we gamely sit around. There is a practice question prior to the record, so the cameras can position and mics can be checked and the audience can practice harrumphing. In my dressing room at the modern Kentish theatre, before my sticky descent, I can hear them being prepped “ask questions, quarrel, applaud, keep those hands up”. that's a reasonably fair assessment of how the audience is managed, it's Dimbleby and the BBC pretending to let the audience have a crack at the panel, nothing could be further from the stage managed truth. For the record, the bimbo between him and Dimbleby was an ed Milliband fan, the one between dimbleby and farage the tory minister for continuing prescott's fire brigade cuts. Funny how the Ed Miliband fan club - and Brand too - failed to acknowledge the fact the cuts the coalition are implementing are the same ones Prescott set up after blowing their budget on pointless mega control centres the brainclild of some outsourcing xompany who probably hand a humungus wad over to party funds ...



Steve K	Dec 14 2014, 04:52 PM Post #96
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 12:47 PM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 12:41 PM Here it comes,,,it's this governments fault,,,not the previous governments The previous government was not handed all the evaders foreign bank account details on a plate, the current one was. What has HMRC and Osborne done with that information? Nothing. More utter rubbish from you, you have been shredded on this before and yet again you think wait a while and people will forget - I won't. When asked for a link before you came up with a link about a list of Greek tax evaders evading Greek tax which is hardly Osborne's concern. So do you have a new link on this?



Steve K	Dec 14 2014, 04:54 PM Post #97
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 04:50 PM Steve K Dec 14 2014, 04:46 PM Marconi Dec 14 2014, 01:16 PM It really is improper use of a forum the way he posts such. I suggest you have that conversation with Highway. I suggest you learn how to post in this forum Marconi did not say that ^^ And I did not say that ^ Edited by Steve K, Dec 14 2014, 04:59 PM.



Steve K	Dec 14 2014, 05:17 PM Post #98
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 11:33 AM Steve K Dec 14 2014, 11:27 AM Well the latest HMRC figure for tax evasion is £4.1B. Which experts agree is a massive under estimate, bordering on being a joke. (Had Bernie Ecclestone lost the recent court case in Germany he would have owed nearly as much as that to HMRC, on his own admission.) No they don't You will find people that dispute that figure and others that accept it, there is certainly none of the unanimity you pretend. And had you actually drilled down into that PCS Union prepared chart you'll find where they differ about the figures is mostly on the size of the shadow economy Now let's look at what they call the Shadow Economy Quote: The shadow economy represents economic activities that are not recorded or declared to avoid government regulation or taxation Or in other words people buying stuff and services in no receipt cash only transactions to avoid VAT. Something you seem rather tardy on commenting on.



RJD	Dec 14 2014, 06:06 PM Post #99
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 12:47 PM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 12:41 PM Here it comes,,,it's this governments fault,,,not the previous governments The previous government was not handed all the evaders foreign bank account details on a plate, the current one was. What has HMRC and Osborne done with that information? Nothing. Maybe there is little he can do with such, I think you know we have Courts of Law where it is necessary to offer evidence rather than innuendo. Having an Offshore Bank Account is not proof of wrong doing and the onus is on HMRC to prove such. Me thinks you are just trailing a smelly rag without first compiling any evidence for your claims. For instance Germany bought the evidence from the same sources, so tell us about the Pittance they have so far recovered. Go on Mr Smurf do a bit of research it wont hurt.



ranger121	Dec 14 2014, 06:37 PM Post #100
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Germany asking for their gold back is also interesting.



Tigger	Dec 14 2014, 06:44 PM Post #101
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 12:41 PM krugerman Dec 14 2014, 12:36 PM Tigger Dec 14 2014, 12:22 PM I find these sort of debates quite funny, logically you'd go after the biggest avoider of dues simply because the potential returns for the state are greater, but some seem to have got sidetracked into believing that the real problem is single mum types and those who have eff all doing a bit of work on the side! Strange how supporters of this government always find a reason why the richest should not be taxed a bit more, same as those at the bottom, and why to do so is bad for everyone, and bad for the economy, yet the working couple hit by the bedroom tax just have to accept that they were scrounging on taxpayers money. I sometimes wonder what plannet supporters of this governments ideas live on, and where they get their logic from Here it comes,,,it's this governments fault,,,not the previous governments Does the government(s) not make the laws then? No hurry on this one.



Cymru	Dec 14 2014, 06:50 PM Post #102
Alt-Right Posts: 3,504 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 03:29 PM papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 03:25 PM It isn't fictitious money. I'm afraid money IS a fictitious thing, because you can no longer go to the Bank of England and get the equivalent amount of gold for each pound. You can have a piece of paper which is a promise, but you can't have hard gold. So what exactly is 'money' nowadays? It's a number in your bank account. Exactly. It always makes me laugh when 'experts' point to a currency and determine that because of its supposed fall in 'value' this is an earth-shattering event that will be the end of the country which issues said currency. Fiat currency has no value. Edited by Cymru, Dec 14 2014, 06:53 PM.



Cymru	Dec 14 2014, 06:52 PM Post #103
Alt-Right Posts: 3,504 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 06:37 PM Germany asking for their gold back is also interesting. Yep. They were only given a few bars back and the serial numbers on the bars did not match any which were on the bars originally handed over by the Germans. Puppets. Edited by Cymru, Dec 14 2014, 06:54 PM.



papasmurf	Dec 14 2014, 06:53 PM Post #104
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Steve K Dec 14 2014, 04:52 PM More utter rubbish from you, you have been shredded on this before and yet again you think wait a while and people will forget - I won't. No I have not been "shredded," at all. It looks as if at long last HMRC are awaking from their slumber. (This is just one of the "whistleblowers,") http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/britain-recoups-millions-from-swiss-bank-list/40508784



ranger121	Dec 14 2014, 06:54 PM Post #105
Administrator Posts: 3,806 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	Cymru Dec 14 2014, 06:52 PM ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 06:37 PM Germany asking for their gold back is also interesting. Yep. They were only given a few bars back and the serial numbers on the bars did not match any which were on the bars originally handed over by the Germans. Puppets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4s3LYZQHM Has an interesting story to tell.



Cymru	Dec 14 2014, 07:17 PM Post #106
Alt-Right Posts: 3,504 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Jun 26, 2014	ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 06:54 PM Cymru Dec 14 2014, 06:52 PM ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 06:37 PM Germany asking for their gold back is also interesting. Yep. They were only given a few bars back and the serial numbers on the bars did not match any which were on the bars originally handed over by the Germans. Puppets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4s3LYZQHM Has an interesting story to tell. Excellent link, cheers.



Rich	Dec 14 2014, 09:41 PM Post #107
Senior Member Posts: 14,463 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: Jun 28, 2014	Marconi Dec 13 2014, 10:30 PM Affa Dec 13 2014, 07:34 PM Lots of Officer's Mess stuff on here ........ or Captain's table conversation ...... "Brand maybe rich, but he's still a commoner". "Not one of us". Yep, Class War ended years ago and what a stupid war that was. I have a lot of respect for those who have both money AND a social conscience, because they could easily pull up the drawbridge and not give a fig, like so many others do. Brand does not speak for me. Of course not all politicians and bankers are corrupt, that would be ridiculous. But he is right to call them out, to look at their own actions and the consequences that follow. Farage and Brand both represent opposite extremes of the disenfranchised in the UK. I was surprised that immigration was not so such a hot topic for discussion on that programme. And to answer Mary's question about why Brand doesn't stand for election. Why should he. He has positioned himself as to be on the outside looking in. A very comfortable position to be in, admittedly. So much easier there to throw rocks and run away. But he is right about Farage. Watch him. He too sells himself as someone who attacks the political elite. But if he ever got in a position of real power he will just be part of the same elite he claims to attack. As the line says, Here comes the new boss. Same as the old boss. But just an extreme version of what we got now. Can anyone who watched question time actually say that Brand put forth any sort of argument against other panel members other than ad homs/insults? he reminds me of a member of this forum.



Tytoalba	Dec 14 2014, 11:55 PM Post #108
Senior Member Posts: 7,586 Group: Members Member #36 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 07:51 AM papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 07:43 AM Tytoalba Dec 13 2014, 11:39 PM The idea that all bankers, politicians and those working in the city are scoundrels has to be total nonsense. Not all, but a very high percentage are scoundrels. Basically most of the population are being shafted by them:- The benefit cheat. There is little evidence or prosecutions in that they have acted illegally. Perhaps you could be more specific. We all use the banks , and may have policies and pension funds that take advantage of the stock markets. We blame others, but need to be responsible for our own actions and the choices we make. Caveat emptor applies.



Affa	Dec 14 2014, 11:57 PM Post #109
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	Another You Tube from the previous link posted ....... It's about taxes ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdgQnl2tbhs



Tytoalba	Dec 15 2014, 12:03 AM Post #110
Senior Member Posts: 7,586 Group: Members Member #36 Joined: Jun 29, 2014	Tigger Dec 14 2014, 06:44 PM HIGHWAY Dec 14 2014, 12:41 PM krugerman Dec 14 2014, 12:36 PM Tigger Dec 14 2014, 12:22 PM I find these sort of debates quite funny, logically you'd go after the biggest avoider of dues simply because the potential returns for the state are greater, but some seem to have got sidetracked into believing that the real problem is single mum types and those who have eff all doing a bit of work on the side! Strange how supporters of this government always find a reason why the richest should not be taxed a bit more, same as those at the bottom, and why to do so is bad for everyone, and bad for the economy, yet the working couple hit by the bedroom tax just have to accept that they were scrounging on taxpayers money. I sometimes wonder what plannet supporters of this governments ideas live on, and where they get their logic from Here it comes,,,it's this governments fault,,,not the previous governments Does the government(s) not make the laws then? No hurry on this one. The government proposes the laws and changes to them where necessary. They are debated in both Houses of Westminster, and passed or rejected by a vote of all MPs. In recent times some members of the government have opposed the proposals whilst some members of the opposition have supported them, and some in all parties abstain Nothing is passed into law unless supported by the majority.



Tigger	Dec 15 2014, 10:22 AM Post #111
Senior Member Posts: 20,106 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	Rich Dec 14 2014, 09:41 PM Marconi Dec 13 2014, 10:30 PM Affa Dec 13 2014, 07:34 PM Lots of Officer's Mess stuff on here ........ or Captain's table conversation ...... "Brand maybe rich, but he's still a commoner". "Not one of us". Yep, Class War ended years ago and what a stupid war that was. I have a lot of respect for those who have both money AND a social conscience, because they could easily pull up the drawbridge and not give a fig, like so many others do. Brand does not speak for me. Of course not all politicians and bankers are corrupt, that would be ridiculous. But he is right to call them out, to look at their own actions and the consequences that follow. Farage and Brand both represent opposite extremes of the disenfranchised in the UK. I was surprised that immigration was not so such a hot topic for discussion on that programme. And to answer Mary's question about why Brand doesn't stand for election. Why should he. He has positioned himself as to be on the outside looking in. A very comfortable position to be in, admittedly. So much easier there to throw rocks and run away. But he is right about Farage. Watch him. He too sells himself as someone who attacks the political elite. But if he ever got in a position of real power he will just be part of the same elite he claims to attack. As the line says, Here comes the new boss. Same as the old boss. But just an extreme version of what we got now. Can anyone who watched question time actually say that Brand put forth any sort of argument against other panel members other than ad homs/insults? he reminds me of a member of this forum. I ALWAYS bring facts to the table when required. Your serial bigotry and cloth ears prevent you from learning anything that might enlighten you.



RJD	Dec 15 2014, 01:14 PM Post #112
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	ranger121 Dec 14 2014, 06:37 PM Germany asking for their gold back is also interesting. They are not sure it exists and wish to be certain that they are the defacto owners.



RJD	Dec 15 2014, 01:19 PM Post #113
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	It is rather amusing that many here think that all those piles of defrauded Taxes are leaning against a shed just outside HMRC Head Offices. Muppets. Most is well beyond the reach of HMRC and to gain any access or attachment will likely require other Governments to change their Laws. By all means recruit yourself a 1,000 Jobs-worthies and ask them to twiddle their thumbs. Fortunately Osborne knows that the solution is via international cooperation.



papasmurf	Dec 15 2014, 01:24 PM Post #114
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Dec 15 2014, 01:19 PM . Most is well beyond the reach of HMRC and to gain any access or attachment will likely require other Governments to change their Laws. France and Germany have been recovering the money RJD, and HMRC has the names addresses, and foreign bank account details of those account holders resident in Britain. The money is easily recoverable RJD, and you know that. All that is missing is the will to do it.



RJD	Dec 15 2014, 01:26 PM Post #115
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 15 2014, 01:24 PM RJD Dec 15 2014, 01:19 PM . Most is well beyond the reach of HMRC and to gain any access or attachment will likely require other Governments to change their Laws. France and Germany have been recovering the money RJD, and HMRC has the names addresses, and foreign bank account details of those account holders resident in Britain. The money is easily recoverable RJD, and you know that. All that is missing is the will to do it. I see no evidence and none since you last raised this point and I linked to the fact that German had, at that time, recovered a few Erdnussen.



papasmurf	Dec 15 2014, 01:39 PM Post #116
Senior Member Posts: 17,280 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	RJD Dec 15 2014, 01:26 PM I see no evidence and none since you last raised this point and I linked to the fact that German had, at that time, recovered a few Erdnussen. RJD I posted a link about it only yesterday. This is just due to ONE whistle blower and one bank:- http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/britain-recoups-millions-from-swiss-bank-list/40508784 However, the amount recovered by HMRC was much lower than the equivalent of £220 million retrieved by Spain and £188 million by France who have also made use of the lists provided by Falciani. Edited by papasmurf, Dec 15 2014, 01:43 PM.



AndyK	Dec 15 2014, 01:44 PM Post #117
Senior Member Posts: 2,474 Group: Members Member #69 Joined: Aug 11, 2014	krugerman Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM It is tradition on QT to invite a couple of non-politicians onto the panel, usualy journalists, but sometimes famous people such as authors, entertainers, columnists and business people. You dont need to be a politician to have an opinion, and you dont have to stand for election in order to criticise either a political party or individual, Mr Brand has a right to his opinion, whether you agree with him or not. To be honest I dont really know much about him as a comedian, but I sure do like his opinions. His mums been on there a fair few times too.



Affa	Dec 15 2014, 02:33 PM Post #118
Senior Member Posts: 11,999 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: Jul 26, 2014	AndyK Dec 15 2014, 01:44 PM krugerman Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM It is tradition on QT to invite a couple of non-politicians onto the panel, usualy journalists, but sometimes famous people such as authors, entertainers, columnists and business people. You dont need to be a politician to have an opinion, and you dont have to stand for election in order to criticise either a political party or individual, Mr Brand has a right to his opinion, whether you agree with him or not. To be honest I dont really know much about him as a comedian, but I sure do like his opinions. His mums been on there a fair few times too. No relation to Jo Brand.



RJD	Dec 15 2014, 03:13 PM Post #119
Prudence and Thrift Posts: 12,499 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 15 2014, 01:39 PM RJD Dec 15 2014, 01:26 PM I see no evidence and none since you last raised this point and I linked to the fact that German had, at that time, recovered a few Erdnussen. RJD I posted a link about it only yesterday. This is just due to ONE whistle blower and one bank:- http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/britain-recoups-millions-from-swiss-bank-list/40508784 However, the amount recovered by HMRC was much lower than the equivalent of £220 million retrieved by Spain and £188 million by France who have also made use of the lists provided by Falciani. As I said you are hyping up what turns out to be groundnuts. You also need to understand that those with borders to Switzerland probably have more citizens with Swiss Bank Accounts. It is not unusual for Swiss customers of goods imported from across the border to be asked to settle their accounts locally. Use your imagination.



Steve K	Dec 15 2014, 06:09 PM Post #120
Once and future cynic Posts: 33,990 Group: Admins Member #20 Joined: Jun 27, 2014	papasmurf Dec 14 2014, 06:53 PM Steve K Dec 14 2014, 04:52 PM More utter rubbish from you, you have been shredded on this before and yet again you think wait a while and people will forget - I won't. No I have not been "shredded," at all. It looks as if at long last HMRC are awaking from their slumber. (This is just one of the "whistleblowers,") http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/britain-recoups-millions-from-swiss-bank-list/40508784 Yes you were because previously you went on and on about the "Lagarde list" which was all about Greeks and Greek tax You now post a link that says we are being successful which rather seems to show you were wrong when you said we were failing.



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