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In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

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Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

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In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

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Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

Skills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 09:21 AM

From your favourite comic RJD:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10860796/Middle-classes-will-disappear-in-next-30-years-warns-Government-adviser.html

Middle classes will disappear in next 30 years warns Government adviser

Property price rises will cause the middle classes to disappear within 30 years, leaving only a “wealthy elite and sprawling proletariat”, government adviser says

By Sarah Knapton, Science Correspondent

4:30PM BST 28 May 2014


The middle classes will die out within 30 years because of rising property prices, which will rob today's children of their dreams, an economist has warned.


David Boyle, a government adviser and fellow of the New Economics Foundation think tank, said that youngsters can no longer expect the same level of affluence as their parents.

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 10:12 AM

And worst of all, is that if you get skills you might get a job, but they never said that a high wage goes with it. Many students contract debt to get these skills, but the jobs don't pay enough to reimburse it and save enough to join the property ladder.

That's the neo slavery concept.

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 10:12 AM

And worst of all, is that if you get skills you might get a job, but they never said that a high wage goes with it. Many students contract debt to get these skills, but the jobs don't pay enough to reimburse it and save enough to join the property ladder.

That's the neo slavery concept.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 12:51 PM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

The jobs were created, but elsewhere as we did not want these anymore.

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

Lower IQ does not mean lower skills, and high IQ does not mean high skills or a high income.
If IQ was an accurate assessment of anything, I would be in a position of power and be filthy rich. (Now that is a worrying thought for you all.)

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 01:03 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 12:51 PM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

The jobs were created, but elsewhere as we did not want these anymore.

Sadly there is more than a little truth in that. We were having to import Romanian crop pickers even before they had free right to come here

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

Lower IQ does not mean lower skills, and high IQ does not mean high skills or a high income.
If IQ was an accurate assessment of anything, I would be in a position of power and be filthy rich. (Now that is a worrying thought for you all.)

Fair point. I should have said of below average ability.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:13 PM

Hence those with those lowish IQs will find it difficult to compete for such jobs.

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 01:17 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:13 PM

Hence those with those lowish IQs will find it difficult to compete for such jobs.

You make the same mistake as others, low IQ does not equate with a lack of numeracy. (If employers really are using IQ as an indicator of anything no wonder the country is in a mess.)

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:22 PM

I think you will find there is a direct and positive correlation.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:01 PM

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 10:12 AM

And worst of all, is that if you get skills you might get a job, but they never said that a high wage goes with it. Many students contract debt to get these skills, but the jobs don't pay enough to reimburse it and save enough to join the property ladder.

That's the neo slavery concept.

Rubbish, there is no Law or God given right to being able to own a property and as for any contract with an Employer you are free to refuse it. Globalisation of the markets has opened up the chill wind of competition for jobs and unfortunately many of our younger generation eschew hard work. Welfarism has spawned the idea of an entitlement when there is none and made the last few generations soft having the expectation of an easy ride, a quick fix and instant gratification. There was once a time when individuals invested their own time in obtaining that which improved their lot in the job market. Time for those without skills to wake up and realise that all those Shibboleths are no more than neo Socialist BS. As for the whingers well they complain, but have absolutely nothing on offer except more of the same debilitating JSA.

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 02:04 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:01 PM

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 10:12 AM

And worst of all, is that if you get skills you might get a job, but they never said that a high wage goes with it. Many students contract debt to get these skills, but the jobs don't pay enough to reimburse it and save enough to join the property ladder.

That's the neo slavery concept.

Rubbish, there is no Law or God given right to being able to own a property and as for any contract with an Employer you are free to refuse it. Globalisation of the markets has opened up the chill wind of competition for jobs and unfortunately many of our younger generation eschew hard work. Welfarism has spawned the idea of an entitlement when there is none and made the last few generations soft having the expectation of an easy ride, a quick fix and instant gratification. There was once a time when individuals invested their own time in obtaining that which improved their lot in the job market. Time for those without skills to wake up and realise that all those Shibboleths are no more than neo Socialist BS. As for the whingers well they complain, but have absolutely nothing on offer except more of the same debilitating JSA.

More of the usual coming from a rotten mind. I don't feel like pointing all over again all the flaws in your reasoning, which amounts to nothing but castigating the young for their situation, socialism as the supposed scourge of everything. Truely pathetic, but coming from somebody of the selfish generation, hardly a surprise.

Affa

Dec 15 2014, 02:49 PM

It's some years ago now, but I recall that in a job interview (for an electronics soft-wear and product developer) I was asked "how would you start to address the problem", when given a simple scenario. The guy asking looked stunned when I answered, the first thing I'd do is search the internet for similar problems/solutions. I guess he was expecting me to display my knowledge skills ....... so I added, there's very little these days that is new or entirely new and hasn't been looked at and sorted by someone else.

Kids today are so good at finding information they don't even have to have training in electronics in order to be capable of solving a electronic's conundrum.

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

(Don't mention the Germans they still make pencils and cars!)

AndyK

Dec 15 2014, 02:54 PM

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

(Don't mention the Germans they still make pencils and cars!)

Yes we do need to manufacture more, but we need to remember that its a competition for a limited market and the only way for more UK made pencils and cars to be sold are for less German and Chinese pencils and cars to be sold.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 02:50 PM

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 02:04 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:01 PM

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 10:12 AM

And worst of all, is that if you get skills you might get a job, but they never said that a high wage goes with it. Many students contract debt to get these skills, but the jobs don't pay enough to reimburse it and save enough to join the property ladder.

That's the neo slavery concept.

Rubbish, there is no Law or God given right to being able to own a property and as for any contract with an Employer you are free to refuse it. Globalisation of the markets has opened up the chill wind of competition for jobs and unfortunately many of our younger generation eschew hard work. Welfarism has spawned the idea of an entitlement when there is none and made the last few generations soft having the expectation of an easy ride, a quick fix and instant gratification. There was once a time when individuals invested their own time in obtaining that which improved their lot in the job market. Time for those without skills to wake up and realise that all those Shibboleths are no more than neo Socialist BS. As for the whingers well they complain, but have absolutely nothing on offer except more of the same debilitating JSA.

More of the usual coming from a rotten mind. I don't feel like pointing all over again all the flaws in your reasoning, which amounts to nothing but castigating the young for their situation, socialism as the supposed scourge of everything. Truely pathetic, but coming from somebody of the selfish generation, hardly a surprise.

When it sounds like hyperbole, looks like it then it is usually such. I see no proof to any of your claims. If you think the younger generations can refashion the World for the better based on such shallow claims then I expect you to get a big surprise. Anyway I blame the parents, the Teachers and Politicians for dumbing down education and not providing necessary skills, yes the mistake was ours so best cull the lot of them and try again.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 03:11 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

Because they build rubbish cars. (I would not have another Clio if I were given one.)

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 03:11 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

Because they build rubbish cars. (I would not have another Clio if I were given one.)

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 03:11 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

Because they build rubbish cars. (I would not have another Clio if I were given one.)

AndyK

Dec 15 2014, 03:26 PM

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 03:11 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

Because they build rubbish cars. (I would not have another Clio if I were given one.)

Having had my fingers burnt with a Citroen Picasso, I'd have to second that.

Sorry Montjoie!

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

AndyK

Dec 15 2014, 02:54 PM

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

(Don't mention the Germans they still make pencils and cars!)

Yes we do need to manufacture more, but we need to remember that its a competition for a limited market and the only way for more UK made pencils and cars to be sold are for less German and Chinese pencils and cars to be sold.

More competition will drive down profit margins and in volume manufacturing these are, in the main, very tightly squeezed. More money to be made from niche products or niche segments, take high end luxury cars as an example.
Those that think that the UK and others should return to metal bashing to earn a living really do not understand the big picture. Today high added value does not come from muscles and manual dexterity. Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

Affa

Dec 15 2014, 03:46 PM

I still maintain that the most reliable car I have ever owned was a Peugeot 405 diesel motor. I had it for eight years and it ran perfectly, with MOT test cost minimal. The only expense apart from fuel costs I had in all that time was for wear (tyres, filters (servicing)) and a part exhaust. Oh, and the guy doing the MOT tests once remarked that he had never seen emission figures on a ten year car that were as good as factory figures for new.
It never failed an MOT barring the one time the exhaust was deemed defective.

ACH1967

Dec 15 2014, 04:35 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

AndyK

Dec 15 2014, 02:54 PM

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Yes we do need to manufacture more, but we need to remember that its a competition for a limited market and the only way for more UK made pencils and cars to be sold are for less German and Chinese pencils and cars to be sold.

More competition will drive down profit margins and in volume manufacturing these are, in the main, very tightly squeezed. More money to be made from niche products or niche segments, take high end luxury cars as an example.
Those that think that the UK and others should return to metal bashing to earn a living really do not understand the big picture. Today high added value does not come from muscles and manual dexterity. Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

So what would you have us do with all those of "below average" ability?

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:13 PM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 01:03 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 12:51 PM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

The jobs were created, but elsewhere as we did not want these anymore.

Sadly there is more than a little truth in that. We were having to import Romanian crop pickers even before they had free right to come here

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 10:13 AM

Steve K

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

returning to the topic

"Want job get skills" is an appalling indictment of our society that has progressively failed to create jobs for the significant % of the population who are of lower IQ. Not everyone can be a digital systems architect.

Lower IQ does not mean lower skills, and high IQ does not mean high skills or a high income.
If IQ was an accurate assessment of anything, I would be in a position of power and be filthy rich. (Now that is a worrying thought for you all.)

Fair point. I should have said of below average ability.

Many modern manufacturing processes require a high level of numeracy from Operators. The responsibility is today not just to feed machines but maintain continuous operation and ensure quality standards are maintained. I cannot envisage a QC system today that is not based on digital technologies. Hence those with those lowish IQs will find it difficult to compete for such jobs.

Montjoie

Dec 15 2014, 03:34 PM

AndyK

Dec 15 2014, 03:26 PM

papasmurf

Dec 15 2014, 03:11 PM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 03:07 PM

Ask yourself why are the French struggling to stay in the volume small to mid range car business?

Because they build rubbish cars. (I would not have another Clio if I were given one.)

Having had my fingers burnt with a Citroen Picasso, I'd have to second that.

Sorry Montjoie!

No need to be sorry. I'm not interested in senseless patriotism. If a French car is crap, call it for what it is. However, not all brands & series are crap. Like in the rest of the world.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 01:01 PM

unfortunately many of our younger generation eschew hard work. Welfarism has spawned the idea of an entitlement when there is none and made the last few generations soft having the expectation of an easy ride, a quick fix and instant gratification.

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

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In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

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Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

Skills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

Well once your generation is safely underground the rest of us can start to unpick the damage you have done and halt the slide into neo Victorian feudalism that you so crave. We can then start to use taxpayers money for education and training for those who need it instead of propping up wealthy parasites, money shufflers and wrecked banks.

File under blame the poor for not being rich.

Rich

Dec 15 2014, 08:39 PM

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

Quote:

 

In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

Quote:

 

Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

Skills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

Well once your generation is safely underground the rest of us can start to unpick the damage you have done and halt the slide into neo Victorian feudalism that you so crave. We can then start to use taxpayers money for education and training for those who need it instead of propping up wealthy parasites, money shufflers and wrecked banks.

File under blame the poor for not being rich.

I do believe that a certain Mr Blair, on attaining office proclaiomed that education x3 was to be his most important task and that he wanted a computer in every home and all students to be able to enter university, nothing then and nothing in the 13 year miserable reign of labour was ever mentioned regarding those types of students that were not suited to academia and would rather have left school aged 15 and have been offered an apprenticeship in either the engineering or construction industry.

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 08:51 PM

Rich

Dec 15 2014, 08:39 PM

Tigger

Dec 15 2014, 10:09 AM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their childrenSkills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

Well once your generation is safely underground the rest of us can start to unpick the damage you have done and halt the slide into neo Victorian feudalism that you so crave. We can then start to use taxpayers money for education and training for those who need it instead of propping up wealthy parasites, money shufflers and wrecked banks.

File under blame the poor for not being rich.

I do believe that a certain Mr Blair, on attaining office proclaiomed that education x3 was to be his most important task and that he wanted a computer in every home and all students to be able to enter university, nothing then and nothing in the 13 year miserable reign of labour was ever mentioned regarding those types of students that were not suited to academia and would rather have left school aged 15 and have been offered an apprenticeship in either the engineering or construction industry.

Sorry Rich but my eldest son benefited from the expansion of university places and is set to become the first member of the family to have the prefix "Dr" in front of his name, it's just a shame he could not afford to pay £1200 a month for a damp bungalow in Kent owned by a former postman, it's also a shame that he could not stay here and advance his career because his employer was only interested in yearly contracts and stealing his pension contributions.

Still Britain's loss is Germany's gain, you pay peanuts and turn out monkeys for the boom and bust economy and that is what happens, and until that structural change happens nothing else will alter.