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In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

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Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

RJD

Dec 19 2014, 11:14 AM

Lewis

Dec 19 2014, 08:13 AM

papasmurf

Dec 18 2014, 01:39 PM

RJD

Dec 18 2014, 01:13 PM

Because I know it takes a lot of blows to drive a nail through a thick plank.

That depends on how skilful the hammer wielder is.

Precisely and in this instance the hammer wielder fails to possess such skills.

You are not qualified to judge.

Tigger

Dec 19 2014, 09:49 PM

RJD

Dec 19 2014, 11:15 AM

Tigger

Dec 18 2014, 07:01 PM

RJD

Dec 18 2014, 04:30 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Still using old technology I see, we use Paslode nailer's these days.

No doubt, but I would not recommend that you use this technique to secure water pipes.

Didn't you use pipe clips when you illegally bodged installed your heating system? (with no leaks)

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

Quote:

 

In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

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Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

Skills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

Lewis

Dec 20 2014, 08:13 AM

Accepting that there are skills shortages in various sectors. This government does little to help those without them. In fact its so-called training courses are next to useless and of no help whatsoever to those who wish to train to acquire such skills.

The CBI agree with this view:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22993098

johnofgwent

Dec 20 2014, 06:33 AM

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

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In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

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Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

Skills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

OK RJD, it's put up or shut up time.

Where did that "quote" from "Microsoft" come from ?

disgruntled porker

Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM

I wonder where these 100,000 vacancies were advertised? Why were unemployed people not pointed in the general direction of these jobs by the powers that be? Just curious like.

Steve K

Dec 21 2014, 12:20 AM

disgruntled porker

Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM

I wonder where these 100,000 vacancies were advertised? Why were unemployed people not pointed in the general direction of these jobs by the powers that be? Just curious like.

Just possibly most of them didn't have the needed proficiency in real time distributed systems analysis, object oriented design, service oriented architecture or various other needed computer system skills

Hence the point about getting needed skills and my point about an economy that taxes the less able out of work

Tigger

Dec 19 2014, 09:49 PM

RJD

Dec 19 2014, 11:15 AM

Tigger

Dec 18 2014, 07:01 PM

RJD

Dec 18 2014, 04:30 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Still using old technology I see, we use Paslode nailer's these days.

No doubt, but I would not recommend that you use this technique to secure water pipes.

Didn't you use pipe clips when you illegally bodged installed your heating system? (with no leaks)

Malum Unus

Dec 20 2014, 08:30 AM

Lewis

Dec 20 2014, 08:13 AM

Accepting that there are skills shortages in various sectors. This government does little to help those without them. In fact its so-called training courses are next to useless and of no help whatsoever to those who wish to train to acquire such skills.

The CBI agree with this view:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22993098

It's not just the skills shortage that's the problem though, even after people have gotten trained (usually incurring severe debts), the jobs they get employed in don't pay enough to allow the person to live comfortably AND pay off those debts at the same time, usually those jobs that DO pay enough are higher tier and much less common than the infamous zero-hour contracts and other low paying low skill jobs, which the newly 'skilled' people get told they're over qualified for and so don't ever get.

So what incentive is there to get the skills in the first place, when effectively for any skilled individual, several of the bottom rungs on the 'jobs ladder' are missing?

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:50 AM

No solder, flux, wire-wool for cleaning and a blow torch. Simple skills you ought to invest in obtaining them,

papasmurf

Dec 21 2014, 11:38 AM

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:50 AM

No solder, flux, wire-wool for cleaning and a blow torch. Simple skills you ought to invest in obtaining them,

The simple skills are not the problem RJD getting the work certificated is, so your house is still insured.

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 11:54 AM

I think we must all agree that the fact that there is a shortage of trade skills when the investment in building works is at a low level is of great concern.

papasmurf

Dec 21 2014, 11:56 AM

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 11:54 AM

I think we must all agree that the fact that there is a shortage of trade skills when the investment in building works is at a low level is of great concern.

Only because immigrants have lowered the rates of pay.

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 11:58 AM

Not sure that is true for skilled Workers as the demand has been high even through the recent recession. There are no Polish Plumbers around here and all are very busy earning good money.

RJD

Dec 15 2014, 09:15 AM

Quote:

 

In effect, industry in the UK is going to need 750,000 additional digitally-skilled workers by 2017. What’s worrying is that we don’t appear to have the people to fill these positions. Almost 60 per cent of employers say they are already facing a skills shortage.

Quote:

 

Microsoft last year reported that there were 100,000 unfilled vacancies in its partner companies across the UK. In the current environment, where we are concerned about unemployment and low wage growth, this seems mad. A recent survey by O2, meanwhile, revealed a “disturbing disconnect” between employers’ requirements and the careers parents would encourage their children to pursue. Almost a quarter said digital skills are irrelevant to the future success of their children.

Skills shortage

There has been a disconnect for a long time now with young people ignoring trade skills and University courses in difficult technology subjects as a consequence there has been a shortage of such people throughout the recent recession, now we are back to growth the situation is worse. We need to encourage not discourage young people to study and train in technologies. Yes Employers can always do more, but if the interest is not there then this will be to no avail.

Young people need to get the message that those with skills have done well and will continue to do so and those without will continue to compete for low paid menial jobs will all and sundry. It is a tough competitive World and no Gov. is going to come along and solve their personal difficulties, as the man said "on yer bike".

Steve K

Dec 21 2014, 12:20 AM

disgruntled porker

Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM

I wonder where these 100,000 vacancies were advertised? Why were unemployed people not pointed in the general direction of these jobs by the powers that be? Just curious like.

Just possibly most of them didn't have the needed proficiency in real time distributed systems analysis, object oriented design, service oriented architecture or various other needed computer system skills

Hence the point about getting needed skills and my point about an economy that taxes the less able out of work

johnofgwent

Dec 21 2014, 02:03 PM

Steve K

Dec 21 2014, 12:20 AM

disgruntled porker

Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM

I wonder where these 100,000 vacancies were advertised? Why were unemployed people not pointed in the general direction of these jobs by the powers that be? Just curious like.

Just possibly most of them didn't have the needed proficiency in real time distributed systems analysis, object oriented design, service oriented architecture or various other needed computer system skills

Hence the point about getting needed skills and my point about an economy that taxes the less able out of work

well it WOULD be if it were true.

The picture from the desk of the IT recruitment agencies who held my CV throughout the last year during which I have only been working for four months is VERY different. THEY have plenty of people on their books with those skills, I'm one of them. and the number of jobs they have were dwindling and fought over.

Which is why I an rather surprised, having been interviewed by at least twenty such "microsoft partner companies" (which means nothing more than "companies who paid microsoft lots of money as a lump sum to use their software more cheaply than if they bought it at full retail per item ", just like mcdonalds pay the IOC lots of money to call themselves "the official restaurant of the olympics", to find that far from their being a shortage, there are at least three hundred CV's chasing each such position. Well that's what I'm being told anyway. Buit what do I know I've only spent what is it now 28? years in the business ...

johnofgwent

Dec 21 2014, 02:03 PM

Steve K

Dec 21 2014, 12:20 AM

disgruntled porker

Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM

I wonder where these 100,000 vacancies were advertised? Why were unemployed people not pointed in the general direction of these jobs by the powers that be? Just curious like.

Just possibly most of them didn't have the needed proficiency in real time distributed systems analysis, object oriented design, service oriented architecture or various other needed computer system skills

Hence the point about getting needed skills and my point about an economy that taxes the less able out of work

well it WOULD be if it were true.

The picture from the desk of the IT recruitment agencies who held my CV throughout the last year during which I have only been working for four months is VERY different. THEY have plenty of people on their books with those skills, I'm one of them. and the number of jobs they have were dwindling and fought over.

Which is why I an rather surprised, having been interviewed by at least twenty such "microsoft partner companies" (which means nothing more than "companies who paid microsoft lots of money as a lump sum to use their software more cheaply than if they bought it at full retail per item ", just like mcdonalds pay the IOC lots of money to call themselves "the official restaurant of the olympics", to find that far from their being a shortage, there are at least three hundred CV's chasing each such position. Well that's what I'm being told anyway. Buit what do I know I've only spent what is it now 28? years in the business ...

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:57 AM

Malum Unus

Dec 20 2014, 08:30 AM

Lewis

Dec 20 2014, 08:13 AM

Accepting that there are skills shortages in various sectors. This government does little to help those without them. In fact its so-called training courses are next to useless and of no help whatsoever to those who wish to train to acquire such skills.

The CBI agree with this view:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22993098

It's not just the skills shortage that's the problem though, even after people have gotten trained (usually incurring severe debts), the jobs they get employed in don't pay enough to allow the person to live comfortably AND pay off those debts at the same time, usually those jobs that DO pay enough are higher tier and much less common than the infamous zero-hour contracts and other low paying low skill jobs, which the newly 'skilled' people get told they're over qualified for and so don't ever get.

So what incentive is there to get the skills in the first place, when effectively for any skilled individual, several of the bottom rungs on the 'jobs ladder' are missing?

75% of new jobs were full time.
Those with skills have managed to keep up or even get ahead of cost inflation.
training starts at school and here we need to demand our teachers do a better job and that the curriculum is bent towards providing skills that assist in getting a job. Yep the Gov. can, is, lean on Employers, use the carrot and stick, to do their best to train up their employees. We need to get training up the agenda and Night Schools over subscribed.

Malum Unus

Dec 22 2014, 08:54 AM

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:57 AM

Malum Unus

Dec 20 2014, 08:30 AM

Lewis

Dec 20 2014, 08:13 AM

Accepting that there are skills shortages in various sectors. This government does little to help those without them. In fact its so-called training courses are next to useless and of no help whatsoever to those who wish to train to acquire such skills.

The CBI agree with this view:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22993098

It's not just the skills shortage that's the problem though, even after people have gotten trained (usually incurring severe debts), the jobs they get employed in don't pay enough to allow the person to live comfortably AND pay off those debts at the same time, usually those jobs that DO pay enough are higher tier and much less common than the infamous zero-hour contracts and other low paying low skill jobs, which the newly 'skilled' people get told they're over qualified for and so don't ever get.

So what incentive is there to get the skills in the first place, when effectively for any skilled individual, several of the bottom rungs on the 'jobs ladder' are missing?

75% of new jobs were full time.
Those with skills have managed to keep up or even get ahead of cost inflation.
training starts at school and here we need to demand our teachers do a better job and that the curriculum is bent towards providing skills that assist in getting a job. Yep the Gov. can, is, lean on Employers, use the carrot and stick, to do their best to train up their employees. We need to get training up the agenda and Night Schools over subscribed.

Do you have anything to back up that '75% of new jobs were full time' claim?

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The Chancellor is right in saying that a significant number of full-time employees have been added to the workforce since 2010. From April-June 2010 to June-August 2014, over 830,000 people have been added to the ranks of full-time employees.

RJD

Dec 22 2014, 09:10 AM

However, you should take care with the data as this does not concur with Lewis's mantra so it could be propaganda.

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:50 AM

Tigger

Dec 19 2014, 09:49 PM

RJD

Dec 19 2014, 11:15 AM

Tigger

Dec 18 2014, 07:01 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

No doubt, but I would not recommend that you use this technique to secure water pipes.

Didn't you use pipe clips when you illegally bodged installed your heating system? (with no leaks)

No solder, flux, wire-wool for cleaning and a blow torch. Simple skills you ought to invest in obtaining them, then you might get promoted from just holding the ladder. Study a little and you might even find out what all the control circuits are for. If you like I can loan you a very comprehensive English/German and German/English Technical Dictionary.

Malum Unus

Dec 22 2014, 09:35 AM

So essentially 75% of new jobs that were created, were full time only if you include the self-employed which isn't actually a created job and use a very small time period?

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 11:54 AM

papasmurf

Dec 21 2014, 11:38 AM

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:50 AM

No solder, flux, wire-wool for cleaning and a blow torch. Simple skills you ought to invest in obtaining them,

The simple skills are not the problem RJD getting the work certificated is, so your house is still insured.

My house is fully insured and all work wrt to CH signed off by a certified Plumber. The fact that I know more than he does about the physics of the system, the control systems and am as skilled as he is wrt to the Plumbing-work is totally irrelevant. I know that.
I think we must all agree that the fact that there is a shortage of trade skills when the investment in building works is at a low level is of great concern. We should also be concerned that many, very many, of our School Teachers lack the knowledge and skills necessary to prepare pupils for the future world of work.

Malum Unus

Dec 22 2014, 09:35 AM

So essentially 75% of new jobs that were created, were full time only if you include the self-employed which isn't actually a created job and use a very small time period?

Tigger

Dec 22 2014, 12:53 PM

In fact you were barely aware of among other things, the gas regs, basic plumbing and seemed to think that a degree earned in the 1950's entitled you to bodge the electrics, the pipework and rather worryingly the gas supply!

papasmurf

Dec 22 2014, 05:20 PM

Tigger

Dec 22 2014, 12:53 PM

In fact you were barely aware of among other things, the gas regs, basic plumbing and seemed to think that a degree earned in the 1950's entitled you to bodge the electrics, the pipework and rather worryingly the gas supply!

Quite, given how often tradesmen have to do refresher courses due to changes in regulations. It appears despite my home being fully compliant electrically five years ago it now isn't.

Rich

Dec 22 2014, 07:39 PM

Having said that, it is always advisable to ask for the gas fitters registration number before he does any work for you,

RJD

Dec 21 2014, 10:57 AM

75% of new jobs were full time.
Those with skills have managed to keep up or even get ahead of cost inflation.
training starts at school and here we need to demand our teachers do a better job and that the curriculum is bent towards providing skills that assist in getting a job. Yep the Gov. can, is, lean on Employers, use the carrot and stick, to do their best to train up their employees. We need to get training up the agenda and Night Schools over subscribed.

Rich

Dec 22 2014, 07:39 PM

papasmurf

Dec 22 2014, 05:20 PM

Tigger

Dec 22 2014, 12:53 PM

In fact you were barely aware of among other things, the gas regs, basic plumbing and seemed to think that a degree earned in the 1950's entitled you to bodge the electrics, the pipework and rather worryingly the gas supply!

Quite, given how often tradesmen have to do refresher courses due to changes in regulations. It appears despite my home being fully compliant electrically five years ago it now isn't.

I have had to pass my 5 yearly corgi/gas safe exams for many years and at best maybe one reg has changed within the 5 year period, it is just a scam really but a very costly scam at that for the self employed, same with the water regs, it's all about common sense and a basic knowledge of gases and chemistry.

Having said that, it is always advisable to ask for the gas fitters registration number before he does any work for you, if he/her cannot produce the number or an ID card then politely ask him to leave, take his/her car registration number and report it to the Gas safe council......they are VERY hot on fining fraudsters where gas is concerned.

papasmurf

Dec 22 2014, 09:40 AM

RJD

Dec 22 2014, 09:10 AM

However, you should take care with the data as this does not concur with Lewis's mantra so it could be propaganda.

Another full fact fact:-

https://fullfact.org/on/jobs/

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There were 22.54 million people working full-time, 560,000 more than for a year earlier. There were 8.25 million people working part-time, 28,000 more than for a year earlier.