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| Topic Started: Dec 24 2014, 11:08 AM (1,459 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | Dec 24 2014, 11:08 AM Post #1 |
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Now like most on this board I am biased. I admit it, but to be fair we are all biased by our personal circumstances, our upbringing and our experiences in life, but I do try to be objective. I am convinced that the BBC , news programmes in particular, has an agenda , a left wing government supporting one. I point the finger , and leave you to decide for yourselves if the coincidences you see are just fair reporting or there is something unfair taking place. We know that the labour party is having difficulties with their opposition of government policies on the economy, so they have directed their opposition agendas towards the health service and government cuts. To me the BBC is doing the same, and in the last few days there have been reports by them on ambulance waiting times, hospital waiting times, cuts in council spending, with a cut in street lighting emphasised ,and this morning they had a cameraman at a reporter at a feeding stationto supply food to the "starving" who looked to me .well fed , and the numbers shown very limited indeed. It looked like a set up. Naturally with their multi cultural agenda , there were black faces to the fore. They do like to focus in their stories on the one black police officer, or the black or female soldier where ever they can. It seems as if the camera man has instructions to get at least one black person in their footage to be cut into the reporting. If a child in a classroom has a head scarf on they get particular attention. They also manage to get a Labour party spokesperson to appear in the early morning to comment on the story they highlight, which seems to indicate that they are in collusion with the Labour party. I forecast that for the next few months they will concentrate on those things that will advantage the Labour party and will disadvantage the current government, with an emphasis on the NHS, which itself is so successful in the main , but will always have deficiencies and failures. peaks and troughs, until the last few weeks before the general election, when they will take an even handed approach to avoid criticism. Look and watch for yourself make your judgements in an objective manner , and then tell me it is not as I see it. |
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| C-too | Dec 24 2014, 11:39 AM Post #2 |
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Is it bias for the BBC to allow NHS medical staff to comment on their fears that intended cuts in NHS funding will see people dying on waiting lists for operations? And will see treatment delayed to the point where treatment is no longer of any use? Or are there serious and genuine concerns about what this government is doing? |
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| papasmurf | Dec 24 2014, 11:53 AM Post #3 |
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If the numbers shown were few it was a set up. As for not looking starved food banks issue three days supply of very basic food to people who have been issued a food voucher because they have no money to buy food, they have not just been liberated from Belsen. The DWP keep bleating on that 94% of people who make a claim for benefit get paid within 16days. Could you handle 16 days with no food? |
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| krugerman | Dec 24 2014, 12:00 PM Post #4 |
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Here we go again, the NHS is in crisis, A&E departments are at breaking point, there are very serious concerncs about ambulance response times, and because the BBC reports these highly imortant and highly relivant issues, they are accused of bias. In case you had not noticed, the BBC s reputation worldwide is mostly or mainly as a news source, and these issues are news, the BBC has frequently reported the release of official statistics which indicate falling unemployment and other positive indicators for the coalition. It seems to me that rather than accusing the BBC of been biassed towards the left, these accusers seem to want the BBC to focus ONLY on news which puts this rotten government in a good light, and it aint going to happen, just as it never happened under the last government. |
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| Affa | Dec 24 2014, 12:24 PM Post #5 |
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IMO the BBC have given this coalition a far too easier a ride than you would expect from a left leaning organisation. Their 'Politics' reporting in particular has helped mask some of the contradictions (and failings) of the Chancellor in particular. A Marr I would say is the government's major propaganda asset in the media since Boulton has taken a back seat. Oh; and IDS to ...... Panorama has done most to expose benefit fraud and supposed cheats putting wind in the sails of the cutting of benefits. The BBC and Blair could not be called to be on friendly terms. Edited by Affa, Dec 24 2014, 12:28 PM.
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| papasmurf | Dec 24 2014, 01:50 PM Post #6 |
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You must have missed the Panorama clandestine filming inside of ATOS, plus several other Panorama programmes showing the Work Capability Assessment for the sham that it is, for finding seriously ill and seriously disabled people "fit for work." |
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| Affa | Dec 24 2014, 04:17 PM Post #7 |
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As you would rightly expect from an impartial news organisation. The BBC upholding its Charter! |
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| papasmurf | Dec 24 2014, 04:37 PM Post #8 |
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Well at least the BBC attempts to be impartial, but Iain Duncan Smith does not think so:- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-bbc-is-bigger-opponent-than-labour-over-welfare-reform-9554028.html Saturday 21 June 2014 Iain Duncan Smith has labelled the BBC a “bigger opponent” than the Labour Party in a fresh attack on the Corporation’s coverage of the Government’s reform of the benefits system. The attack on the BBC’s ‘relentless negative coverage’ came from the Work and Pensions Secretary came after a BBC bulletin on Friday which reported criticism of the Government’s latest changes to the benefits system. The report concerned a leaked document which showed the costs of the employment and support allowance were rising, leaving the Government ‘vulnerable’ to breaching its new welfare cap. Mr Duncan Smith claimed the corporation had run five negative stories this week about his department. He said: "This Government is fixing the broken and bloated welfare system left behind by Labour… but the BBC news appears to consistently rely on a narrow band of commentators who are overwhelmingly negative." This isn’t the first time that Mr Duncan Smith has attacked the BBC’s coverage. Last July the DWP complained about the use of the phrase “bedroom tax” in relation to its spare room subsidy policy, while Mr Duncan Smith has called the broadcaster’s approach “frustrating”. The latest intervention comes after the influential Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC) said that the “rushed” implementation of the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) had been “nothing short of a fiasco” and had forced some disabled people to turn to food banks, while other critics have said Mr Duncan Smith has proved himself to be inept at managing the implementation of reform over the past three years. A BBC spokesman said: "We are satisfied that our coverage of welfare spending has been fair, balanced and impartial." Edited by papasmurf, Dec 24 2014, 06:00 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 24 2014, 04:48 PM Post #9 |
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Very well put. It is an outrage that families would be left without food for 16 days in any civilised society especially one as rich as ours. |
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| Lewis | Dec 24 2014, 07:30 PM Post #10 |
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Agree completely. Sooner this arrogant and incompetent government are got rid of the better it will be all except maybe for the crooks who go under the guise of bankers, stockbrokers, tax dodgers and the like who fund the Tory shysters. Oh and a very Merry Christmas to one and all except for Scameron, Ozzie, Clegg and all the other Tory incompetents, who I hope have a very crap Xmas and an even more rotten New Year. Out with the Tory SCUM! |
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| Tigger | Dec 24 2014, 08:15 PM Post #11 |
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I must say I'm very surprised at this post! Have you told anyone else about this startling new discovery or are you simply worried that the BBC reporting the Tories screwing up the NHS again is likely to cost them the election? I thought you might have pointed out how most of the tabloid press is right wing, full of lies, half truths, gross distortions and is used as a tool to further the respective owners ambitions! Or perhaps you had not noticed? Being slightly more serious have you ever seen US TV stations that ARE right wing? Virtually unwatchable unless you strum a banjo and live on a trailer park. Or feed the birds. Edited by Tigger, Dec 24 2014, 08:21 PM.
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| papasmurf | Dec 24 2014, 08:27 PM Post #12 |
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| Deleted User | Dec 24 2014, 09:14 PM Post #13 |
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The BBC may be collectively left wing biased but I doubt that there is a left wing conspiracy with an agenda within it. It may be that when you get a well educated, unbiased, professional body of people together to gather news information they tend to articulate the truth. |
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| Tigger | Dec 24 2014, 10:39 PM Post #14 |
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Sounds just like this forum!
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| Affa | Dec 24 2014, 11:01 PM Post #15 |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 24 2014, 11:17 PM Post #16 |
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It may be the truth, but selectively chosen, both in the subject, and in the presentation. There are often two sides to a story, but both sides not given. A word , a sentence, with the right piece of film , either cut in or cut out , can all be the truth, but all contributing to a subliminal distorted perception and bias. I would suggest that the more the intelligence and the more articulated and professional, the more carefully and effectively done. The word for it is propaganda. |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 24 2014, 11:27 PM Post #17 |
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I think I could have identified the posters that would reply and the point of view they would hold. Yours is predictable. Do we ever hear the good news about any of the public services, like the NHS or the police for example? Its always fault finding and negatively critical, when there are thousands of people weekly properly treated promptly and efficiently, kindly and with courtesy and care.. Perhaps it will encourage others to watch and listen with a more open mind. |
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| Tigger | Dec 24 2014, 11:31 PM Post #18 |
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As long as the truth is being told and there are no wilful omissions being made I'm sure most people are capable of figuring out whether a story has real merit, in this instance you seem concerned that the Tories are getting bad press, and they are because it is they who are ultimately not being honest with what they are doing to the NHS. Personally I think you've made a parus major out of yourself on this one. |
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| Rich | Dec 25 2014, 12:05 AM Post #19 |
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I have also noted that slowly but surely the number of reporters with Scottish accents has grown considerably over the last 5 or so years, make of that what you will, why did the BBC relocate to Manchester? The NHS, just like the roads in this country is part of an infrastructure and was never designed to cope with the ever increasing numbers that now require treatment, in short, there are too many bods in this country and a good deal of them have not paid a penny into the system, one cannot blame this present administration for overloading the roads or the NHS.....just wait until the essential services starts teetering under the increased demand especially if the weather turns nasty, the critics should look to the last government to sort out the chaos that they have created and god help us if they are given the chance to do so. Edited by Rich, Dec 25 2014, 12:16 AM.
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| Whirlpool | Dec 25 2014, 11:58 AM Post #20 |
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I found this elsewhere... copied and pasted- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2874159/Pictured-Face-taxi-driver-78-beaten-pulp-three-men-row-11-fare.html 3 white christian essex boys brutally beat up a 78 yr old taxi driver over an £11 fair.... That's how it should be reported right? Because if they were black they would have mentioned their colour and if they were Muslim they would have mentioned their religion. But hey if you are white and non Muslim it's not mentioned you are just 'three men'. The propaganda is real, it's never just a coincidence. Edited by Whirlpool, Dec 25 2014, 12:01 PM.
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| johnofgwent | Dec 25 2014, 07:42 PM Post #21 |
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I dont know. How are they reporting the disaster that is the cardiac unit at the LABOUR CONTROLLED EVERY DAY SINCE 1999 University Hospital of Wales and tge total fucking shambolic disaster ghat is the welsh ambulance service. Shite under Labour for almost two decades. |
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| jaguar | Dec 26 2014, 02:58 PM Post #22 |
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Your problem in Wales the same as the North East, is that Labour don't give a toss. IMHO, they know the electorate wont vote Tory, will always vote Labour, so they are concentrating on Scotland and the rest of England. I holiday in Wales quite often, but have always dreaded having an accident or any of my family taken ill. I have no relatives in Wales now, all have moved across the border, most to Hereford. As they all are now retired the chances of requiring the use of the NHS is more than likely possible, and knowing how bad the NHS is in wales, it's quite understandable the reason for moving to England. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 26 2014, 03:10 PM Post #23 |
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I wish people would take a step back and take a look at the problems of running an ambulance service in a mainly rural area like Wales. Many areas of the UK have similar problems whoever is in government. In Cornwall for instance a target arrival time of 8 minutes to get to an urgent casualty is cloud cuckoo land thought up by a desk pilot looking at maps, and not getting an area physically checked first before deciding on a sensible target time. |
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| ranger121 | Dec 26 2014, 03:28 PM Post #24 |
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Does anyone believe that the two other public service broadcasters, C4 and C5, have similar bias? |
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| papasmurf | Dec 26 2014, 03:39 PM Post #25 |
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It is what all UK based broadcasters are NOT reporting that is the problem. It goes beyond bias. |
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| jaguar | Dec 26 2014, 03:43 PM Post #26 |
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I believe JFG is not complaining about the problems of running an ambulance service, but complaining how the NHS in Wales is managed under LABOUR. Maybe you should step back and take a look at the problems of Labour running the NHS in England. |
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| ranger121 | Dec 26 2014, 03:47 PM Post #27 |
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Unfortunately, they have to prioritise what the production team decide is news that is important. They have limited air-time, and the consumer has a well-researched extremely short attention span which does not include wanting to know what the DWP is up to all of the time, and what is happening to minute minorities of groups. Ever thought that the average bloke on the Clapham Ominibus is not really interested in Parliament TV? If you want to go into detail and the minutiae of the day's news, there is the internet. |
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| Affa | Dec 26 2014, 03:56 PM Post #28 |
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Like the BBC showing newsreel from Orgreave which displayed miners hurling stones at the police and the response of a mounted charge of the picketers. Only it wasn't until after the mounted charge that any stones were thrown. |
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| C-too | Dec 26 2014, 04:01 PM Post #29 |
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As far as I'm aware, under NL, the health systems of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were run separately from each other, with England having the most efficient NHS in these islands. The NHS in England made giant steps forward under NL. |
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| C-too | Dec 26 2014, 04:20 PM Post #30 |
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Yes, I researched that very incident myself back then. I also wrote to the BBC about a certain Mrs Stout whose husband was one of the protesters. She was wheelchair bound but that didn't stop two men breaking into her house, threatening her with a knife and indulging in the general destruction of her belonging. This was reported in a local newspaper. The BBC reported the beating up of one of the miners who continued to go into work, IIRC his name was Fletcher. This occurrence was reported and commented on, on TV, time and time again. When I asked the BBC why the Fletcher case was reported and the case of Mrs Stout was ignored Their reply was that the information was not available at the time. As I have already commented, it was in a local newspaper. Most of the unprofitable mines had closed under Labour and that meant that most of those left were profitable. What was being produced was claimed to be the cheapest deep mined coal in the world, but cheaper opencast coal could be bought. One oddity IMO was that no one at the BBC bothered to work out the difference in cost and report that difference to the public. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 26 2014, 04:20 PM Post #31 |
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Ranger my comments go well beyond the non-reporting of Iain Duncan Smith's incompetence, there are matters the population should be informed about but they are not. That goes well beyond editorial decisions, it is large scale censorship. |
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| C-too | Dec 26 2014, 04:37 PM Post #32 |
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That sounds like it was "shite" inherited from the Tories, that's when the NHS was allowed to fall into disrepair. Or perhaps the problem actually lies with the Welsh? I do recall the silly woman and the biased media who sidetracked Blair's visit to the new Cardiac hospital that was claimed to be as good as any in Europe. The silly woman, who it turned out was a Tory voter, was understandably upset that her husband was in a run down cancer section of the hospital (a situation that happened under the Tories). But why did the media, including the BBC give her so much repeated coverage and yet fail to show the New cardiac hospital? |
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| ranger121 | Dec 26 2014, 04:41 PM Post #33 |
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Are you looking for a 'conspiracy' in all walks of life? For instance, you can today read the harrowing story of a woman who spilled a cup of tea in her lap, and scalded herself, and is blaming MacDonald's (and obviously, thinking of suing for cash compensation) for not putting the lid on properly, when she is trying to balance it on her lap as she gets into her car and shuts the door. Now, the moment that the BBC newsreader starts droning on about how dangerous hot tea is, and how many hundreds of thousands of people are scalded every year by spilling it on themselves, and how it's probably the fault of MacDonald's staff who are completely incompetent, that's the time I reach for the remote. Is it part of some conspiracy that the story won't be on the BBC 6 o'clock news, about some brutal global corporation that doesn't give a damn about it's customers? There might be matters that YOU consider important that everyone in the UK is informed about. These contrast with what the BBC editorial team think are important. The only way to resolve is for you to form your own news channel, then YOU can broadcast to the nation whatever YOU think is important. This is perfectly possible in today's internet age. Off you go, and good luck... |
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| papasmurf | Dec 26 2014, 05:26 PM Post #34 |
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Ranger, can you explain why even today there are reports on Euronews and other foreign news outlets that the British population should be being informed about but there is no mention anywhere on British media at all. It has gone beyond bias, all negative comment that reflects badly on the current government is being censored out. This is very bad for democracy it means all other political parties except the Tories are going to be fighting the general election with one hand tied behind their back. |
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| HIGHWAY | Dec 26 2014, 05:50 PM Post #35 |
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Just had a look at euronews,not much british news on there main page,,,unless you count Boxing Day sales |
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| ranger121 | Dec 26 2014, 06:11 PM Post #36 |
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Well, if you want opinion on the UK government and other news stories about the UK from another country's point of view, fine. Nothing stopping you from accessing that information, no 'censorship' applied to that, is there? It's exposed in all its gory detail, should you be bothered enough to look for it. If you can see it all from your bat-cave in the deepest part of rural Cornwall, it's not a problem for many others, it it? Hardly 'hidden' from view? The BBC and other public broadcasters are not expected to publish opinion in news reporting, just the facts, ma'am. In fact, most foreign news outlets rely on news syndicated by the BBC. Surely, they don't let the 'bad' stuff leak out as well? How grossly unpatriotic of them. Do you really believe that the media influences the very cynical electorate when it comes down to where they tick the box? Puurleese. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 26 2014, 06:54 PM Post #37 |
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Actually they don't, they are using their own reporters and TV crews. They also cannot use something not ever reported on by the BBC. |
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| ranger121 | Dec 26 2014, 06:59 PM Post #38 |
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So there are random foreign news crews wandering this country 'exposing' the 'truth' that the BBC 'chooses' to ignore, in case it is critical of the government. Sorry for the over-use of the '. These foreign news crews don't syndicate the stories, in other words, sell them to the BBC, who then choose to bury them with more important news stories? Must be a conspiracy, then. Bring your evidence to the table. |
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| somersetli | Dec 26 2014, 07:04 PM Post #39 |
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I don't think that, in the main, the British public are very interested in what the government is doing or not doing. Or who is not telling them things that they ought to be told. There is a certain red banner newspaper that is supposed to have the largest circulation in the country. It's "news" frequently centres on the idiosyncrasies of, so called, celebreties, footballers speeding, cheating on their spouses, the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy, topless bimbos, and various other trivia. Other than that very few are interested. Edited by somersetli, Dec 26 2014, 07:06 PM.
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| papasmurf | Dec 26 2014, 07:10 PM Post #40 |
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That is not the point, the media's raison d'etre is SUPPOSED to be holding governments to account. The British public would be interested if they were told what is happening. As it is ignorance is bliss. |
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