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| Marconi | Dec 29 2014, 06:18 PM Post #1 |
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Anything goes, new or old, blockbuster or indie, as long as you enjoyed them. I've given up reading the critics reviews on movies beforehand because too often I think ''Did they even watch the same film as me?'' I'll recommend Out Of The Furnace starring Christian Bale, Woody Harrelson, Casey Affleck. A story of loyalties , family and good people dealt bad hands in America's blue collar Rust Belt. This film won't be for everybody. It can be rather grim, with a small town struggling with de-industrialisation and the recession. There is no glamour, but there are glimmers of hope. I won't put it up there against The Deer Hunter as that is a classic, but there are similarities. Can you recommend any movies to watch? |
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| Rich | Jul 23 2017, 05:57 PM Post #81 |
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Do they too support Film making? |
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| Steve K | Jul 23 2017, 08:36 PM Post #82 |
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Just watched A Street Cat named Bob Not bad at all |
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| papasmurf | Jul 23 2017, 08:43 PM Post #83 |
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Given the wide range of occupations and talent it would not at all surprise me. Several have appeared on various TV shows. Here is one with the only tool he is qualified to use:-
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| Rich | Jul 23 2017, 09:18 PM Post #84 |
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Have you ever considered becoming a diplomat for peace movements? I only ask because you seem to be enthused by "violence" as a means to debating contrary opinions to your self. What on earth that above image is supposed to portray, I have no idea.
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| Curious Cdn | Jul 23 2017, 11:40 PM Post #85 |
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I'm still a some-times-scouter and we shake with the left. You'd almost think that Baden Powell was a Mason, |
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| Rich | Jul 24 2017, 12:00 AM Post #86 |
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I cannot prove it, but it widely understood that he batted for the other side....just an observation from me, nothing more. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jul 24 2017, 02:03 AM Post #87 |
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Who knows? I can't imagine that any good would be served by exposing it now. |
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| Mot | Jul 24 2017, 06:37 AM Post #88 |
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I've seen the film and read the book, well three quarters of the book. The film is quite enjoyable to watch and to consider the hardship caused by drugs. The book starts off ok, but gets very drawn out, boring and repetitive. After the success of the book, I believe there were a few others similar books and a few hobos copying by having a cat or dog. A classic to be on the list is The Wicker Man, the 1973 one with Edward Woodward, The Landlords daughter song with the acting is fun. Clip |
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| papasmurf | Jul 24 2017, 07:38 AM Post #89 |
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A man internationally known for building projects out of what can be found in scrapyards. Sometime they work sometimes they don't. A large hammer is essential. (I will see him at the end of August and will see what phantasmagorical Heath Robinson style machine he has built for use by those who wish to take part in the silly games.) |
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| Steve K | Jul 24 2017, 08:10 AM Post #90 |
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Ta that's saved me £3.85 |
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| papasmurf | Jul 24 2017, 08:20 AM Post #91 |
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Not appeared on TV for many years as far as I am aware, a trilogy of Polish films directed by Andrzej Wajda: Three War Films (A Generation / Kanal / Ashes & Diamonds) I keep meaning to buy the set on DVD but they are expensive. A Generation is about a group of young men and women fighting in Occupied Poland; Kanal is the terrible story of the final, abortive Warsaw uprising. But arguably the greatest in the trilogy is Ashes and Diamonds, in which Zbigniew Cybulski became a star - almost a European James Dean. |
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| Steve K | Jul 24 2017, 08:37 AM Post #92 |
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will look out for it then - certainly a very positively reviewed film I recently watched West (IMDB Link) another subtitled film with East European themes (it's about an Iron Curtain escapee, her son and what happens after). A painful story but I found it gripping. It is similarly highly rated but not sure it's likely to be on anyone's favourite film list though. |
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| Oddball | Jul 24 2017, 09:32 AM Post #93 |
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I also rate 'Zulu Dawn', a sanctimonious British 'noble' underrating the locals, and splitting his forces with scant regard to intelligence of enemy movement and intent; while in hostile territory. What I term 'Doing a Custer'. |
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| Steve K | Jul 24 2017, 11:50 AM Post #94 |
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On the topic of Zulu has anyone ever seen Starship Troopers? A hugely profitable and lowest possible grade film with the whole battle scene a serious rip off of Zulu. Just with lasers But it did have Denise Richards in it so it wasn't all bad |
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| Alberich | Aug 12 2017, 06:54 PM Post #95 |
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Just been to see "Dunkirk"; partly on the strength of some good reviews. And frankly, it was a great disappointment. The film purported to depict the evacuation from the beaches at Dunkirk, where some 300,000 British and French troops were trapped by the advancing German army, and subjected to merciless aerial bombardment. And if ever a film cried out for the use of computer graphics, this was it. Instead, what we got were a few bus queues of men on empty beaches, a more crowded mole, and ONE German bomber that circled endlessly around the beach. And, again because of the lack of CG, we had a few small boats added as a sort of side show. Some of the incidents portrayed were reasonable in the context, and some were frankly silly. Spitfires with unlimited ammunition, which had the gliding ability of a box kite on a windy day. But the film failed completely to come anywhere near representing what took place on those beaches. Speilberg would have done it so much better!! |
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| ranger121 | Aug 12 2017, 08:40 PM Post #96 |
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Try 'Eye In The Sky'. An extremely frustrating film; either you're screaming 'wait' or 'push the effing button' at the screen. |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 13 2017, 03:55 AM Post #97 |
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And if you are prepared to look through the silliness it also has some - for the time - astute political satire. All The Best |
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| Ewill | Aug 24 2017, 10:37 PM Post #98 |
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Agree it was a good but frustrating film |
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| Ewill | Aug 24 2017, 10:54 PM Post #99 |
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Saw some films on a plane last week on way to us Hidden Figures - highly recommended- shows the backroom work behind space flight and the discrimination against blacks in the workplace .....until they were needed for their supreme mathematical skills and proved themselves even against the new IBM computer. True story, great acting (even by Kevin Costner ) I Daniel Blake - overblown hype about a fictional northern scrounger who was happily marching around his neighbourhood, doing odd jobs , carpentry etc (so obviously felt ok). It Refusing to take an offered job just because a gp said he shouldn't go back to work yet ( he never had any treatment , revisited doc or saw physio during the film either) , his assessment found him fit . Makes no attempt to help himself ,becomes friends with an 'entitled 'single mother scrounger who can't control her young son. Predictable ending Gold- the ups and downs of prospecting for gold and the practical difficulties involved . Nice story and worth watching on a flight for 90 mins - don't think I'd pay to see in a cinema |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 25 2017, 10:04 AM Post #100 |
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You'd have to be either a) heartless or b) totally unaware of just how byzantine, and at times inhumane, the welfare system can be to have come to that conclusion. He didn't refuse to take the job. No employer in construction will touch an employee who has been advised by a GP to not do such work - their insurance would be invalidated. I know because I have applied for a job - that the job centre sent me to under such conditions. Luckily the employer had also been through that process and knew that I had to apply even there was no chance at all of me being given the job, AND the job centre KNEW there was no chance of me being given the job, so applying was a waste of my time, and the employers - AND crucially the Job Centre's. You do understand that in film there is also the "off screen" events that are introduced via dialogue reporting those events, rather than a visual portrayal of those events. You'll note that at no time in the time period of the movie did Danial Blake defecate - are you implying that must mean he didn't go to the loo for the several week period portrayed in the film? Just because we didn't see him got to the GP doesn't mean he didn't. All The Best Edited by Pro Veritas, Aug 25 2017, 10:04 AM.
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| Ewill | Aug 25 2017, 01:19 PM Post #101 |
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It's a fictional film , not reality I didn't think it made any attempt to portray anyone other than a scrounger completely unwilling to help themselves |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 25 2017, 04:14 PM Post #102 |
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So option A AND B then. Well done. Of course it being a fictional film won't stop it building into your obvious prejudice about people who use the welfare system, will it? All The Best Edited by Pro Veritas, Aug 25 2017, 04:15 PM.
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| Ewill | Aug 25 2017, 06:18 PM Post #103 |
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It's a fictional film , not a docudrama I was expecting it to make more effort to challenge than simply to pander to guardianistas inbuilt prejudices It didn't , I was very disappointed with it 2* rating from me as it didn't send me to sleep Hidden figures .....5* from me - great film |
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| Steve K | Aug 25 2017, 07:45 PM Post #104 |
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But what is telling is your reaction to the characters portrayed. That you label a fictional character unable to work through a heart attack as "a scrounger" strongly suggests that you would label all real people so laid low through no fault as 'scroungers' There are more socially acceptable ways of referring to such vulnerable people. And elsewhere you appear to say we should go out of our way to support vulnerable people even if law breaking as long as they can afford a bike or horse. At the least your stance appears confusing |
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| Ewill | Aug 26 2017, 12:34 AM Post #105 |
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I had written a long rebuttal of your post but lost wifi When trying to post. I'm not going to attempt to repeat it In short you disagree with my review of the film - that's your perogative. I'm sure I wouldn't agree with all your views on films seen I was very disappointed with I Daniel Blake- even as fiction I thought it would be challenging- I was utterly wrong The lead failed to help himself or improve himself in any shape or form yet marched around doing diy and odd jobs all over the place. He wouldn't engage , didn't do a single exercise or revisit his gp even throughout. Katie obviously forgot about the unblemished Granny Smiths she munched on whilst apparently serving her dinner to Daniel when she ran out of the brothel claiming that she now had money for fresh fruit. Where I come from apples = fresh fruit and always have done. Maybe it's different up north? The plot has more holes than a colander. Hidden figures - great true story film about true discrimination- but they continued to strive to Improve themselves- even when faced with in inevitability of losing livelihoods due to the installation of the IBM machine they learned programming language off their own backs so that they were still needed How anyone can try to equate the 'I'm entitled s' with vulnerable road users who can suffer serious injury or death if the motorist fails to take care through impatience , negligence or intolerance is frankly beyond my comprehension |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 26 2017, 06:46 AM Post #106 |
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Oh it was challenging - to the Tory belief that the DWP is functional. It was challenging to the belief most of us have that we are a civilised society that cares for those within who are in need. I suspect it challenged some of your views of the unemployed and ill - and that is why you are angry. Anyone who has been on the wrong of the DWP bureaucracy sees far too much truth for comfort in that film. All The Best |
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| Steve K | Aug 26 2017, 09:45 AM Post #107 |
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Nope I disagree with your use of a film review to label all disabled as 'scoungers'. Perhaps you need reminding
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| Ewill | Aug 26 2017, 04:01 PM Post #108 |
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The greatest social commentary story ever imo is Anna Sewell"s Black Beauty Daniel Blake isn't fit to oil his hooves You disagree with my review , so what? I'm sure You don't like films I've liked and vice Verda I also don't like the Harry Potter franchise or most sci-fi films Good job were all different or actors and filmmakers would be out of business |
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| Ewill | Aug 26 2017, 04:05 PM Post #109 |
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Disabled? Who is disabled? Certainly not the fictional sainted Daniel In the film My dad had major heart issues culminating in a quadruple heart by-pass. He didn't even qualify for a disability blue badge for parking |
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| Steve K | Aug 26 2017, 05:16 PM Post #110 |
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He is disabled because he cannot take on work due to a damaged heart after the heart attack. As his doctor told him You can't have exactly watched this film. Maybe you just glanced at it on another passenger's screen. And you seem to be of the false impression that all heart attack victims have the same post attack conditions. Just out of interest did your parents claim child allowance? If so how many times did you call them scroungers? |
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| ranger121 | Aug 26 2017, 07:35 PM Post #111 |
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Interesting... I have had a triple, my cousin has had a quad. Neither of us (when this happened) was of pension age. Neither of us was advised by doctors not to get work. My cousin, who was a plasterer at the time, decided that he could no longer do that rather physical job and simply turned his hand to something less physical and is doing just fine. I, on the other hand, retired with my pension which is so small that the taxman actually owes me money. What we both got from the operations was that our health lives are seriously improved, our fitness levels improved and our general health was better than before. Blood pressure returned within tolerable limits and diabetes became stable. After all, we've had important internal plumbing surgically fixed, and things are better than they were. So how is this detrimental to our job prospects? Mr. Blake appears to be a rather weak character who can neither get himself another job that he can actually do (considering his heart condition) nor can he put down in writing what efforts he is making to get work as required by the benefits system. |
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| Affa | Aug 26 2017, 08:07 PM Post #112 |
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An employer may consider that someone with that medical history is an unnecessary risk to take. It's one thing being capable of gainful employment, another thing entirely finding that gainful employment. Edited by Affa, Aug 26 2017, 08:09 PM.
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| Ewill | Aug 26 2017, 09:13 PM Post #113 |
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Nope watched the film in total- I really do not understand why there is a Tendancy for you to accuse anyone who disagrees of not watching/reading something- not everyone shares a common viewpoint The fictional character wasn't disabled , far from it. He marched around all over the place doing diy and odd jobs and got arsy anytime he was reminded that benefits are a two way street and effort is expected. In the film he thinks he is an "I'm entitleds" his only future scenario is benefits , he is a scrounger . The plot has more holes than colander but I quite understand gullible guArdianistas lapping it up despite its failings. It suits their point of view Currently waiting for flight - will give my film ratings on on board films watched in due course. Edited by Ewill, Aug 26 2017, 09:19 PM.
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| Ewill | Aug 26 2017, 09:29 PM Post #114 |
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My dad still worked full time after his quadruple by- pass despite being 73 , I've an uncle who had a triple , still worked and took up ice skating in his spare time (came 4th in the veterans uk national ice dancing championships some 3/4 years ago,) as you say it's new plumbing , we did apply for a blue badge for dad but he was rejected on the grounds that he effectively now had the heart of a young man so was able. Plenty of heart attack patients still work - no real reason not to if they are recovered and not having breathing problems. The film lead displayed no medical issues , attended no further appointments, did no daily physio exercises and made no effort to revisit his gp having been offered a job. |
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| Steve K | Aug 26 2017, 10:28 PM Post #115 |
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The point is that this fictional character is very clearly told by his doctor he can't work. This happens 5 minutes and 5 seconds into the film where after undergoing ultrasound tests he asks "can I go back to work" and the doctor says "not yet, it's way to early for that" It is not for us to rewrite this example situation and pretend we are a better fictional doctor than the one in the film. He is an example of a disabled person so is a test case for the value set you wish others to adopt. And you have decided that such a person should be called a scrounger. The way he is treated by the DWP is fiction and cannot be evidential and I have repeatedly refused to countenance this film being quoted as evidence. But what is a fact is you believe in a value set that advocates calling all benefits recipients 'scroungers' and in using the movie thread to promulgate this. Neither is good Edited by Steve K, Aug 27 2017, 08:32 AM.
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| Ewill | Aug 27 2017, 03:12 PM Post #116 |
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The character is not disabled , He is someone who had been ill, One doesn't ''need'' a gp's permission to go to work, it's personal choice to return to work as soon as you wish The character does not revisit the doctor or physio during the entire film despite being ruled he is fit for work The character considers himself ''entitled'' despite doing odd jobs, DIY and marching around everywhere, and thinks benefits are a one way street with no effort required from him. It's a fictional plot with more holes than a colander Driver who collected me from the airport earlier had had an MI last year followed by a triple by pass , he said he had eight weeks off work in total,reapplied and passed his drivers' medical and continued driving Anyway Films seen on flight last night The Belko experiment - very bloody, not really sure why I watched it , expansion on Milgram experiment (sort of) but involves being told to kill for personal survival. Strange film Live by Night - Gangster/organised crime story with Ben Affleck , good escapism for a couple of hours Wizard of Lies - Story of arch fraudster Bernie Madoff's life leading to his exposure, showing the holes in regulation that allowed him to continue to 'trade' . After his conviction the family were estranged from Mrs M and tragedy followed one son killed himself and another died from a terminal illness. Well acted film Started watching Get Out about a black/white relationship but I fell asleep |
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| papasmurf | Aug 28 2017, 08:23 AM Post #117 |
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I will refrain from answering that and previous comments because I would be barred permanently. |
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| Rich | Aug 28 2017, 03:59 PM Post #118 |
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"those within who are in need." So, who exactly are these people in society that are apparently left behind to die and wither? I know of no such people, all local councils are duty bound by law to help anyone who knocks on the door for help. Some may not knock on the door....why is that if help is needed? everyone has eyes and ears and if seeing a person in need of help will not cross over to the other side but will help or get help, at least that is how I know the UK to operate regardless of whichever party is in office. If you know different then please show me examples of where people have been deliberately ignored and left to die on the "street"
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| papasmurf | Aug 28 2017, 05:10 PM Post #119 |
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Replied to in another thread. |
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| Pro Veritas | May 1 2018, 07:29 PM Post #120 |
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Well, just watching episode 3 of This Is England 90. Have to say perhaps the most harrowing, heart-wrenching TV I have ever watched. The original film is firmly entrenched in my top 20 films, but the TV mini series spin-offs are just in another league for TV drama. Definitely a recommended watch. All The Best |
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