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| The peacful religion | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 5 2015, 10:42 AM (1,002 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | Jan 5 2015, 10:42 AM Post #1 |
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PARIS (AP) — France’s Interior Ministry says 940 cars were set alight by revelers ringing in the New Year — 12 percent fewer than the 1,067 set aflame last year. The figures issued on Thursday show that, despite the dip, setting fire to parked cars remains a firmly entrenched way for some French to send out the old and ring in the new. Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet said on BFM-TV that numerous cars were burned around the country, particularly in the east, as well as in suburban Paris, notably the Seine-Saint-Denis region — where fiery [Muslim] riots around France started in 2005. Is it because the majority were fired by Muslims that we have heard so little about it? |
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| krugerman | Jan 5 2015, 11:40 AM Post #2 |
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Perhaps the reason why we in the UK have heard little about this story is because it happened in France. Both Islam and Christianity are supposed to be peaceful religions, both contain elements who are extremists, nutters and intollerant bigots, and why not simply look at these people for what they are - vandals, troublemakes, arsonists and thugs, and not attempt to imply that the reason why they indulged in such behaviour is simply because they are Muslims. Is it normal for Muslims to go around setting fire to cars ? |
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 5 2015, 12:29 PM Post #3 |
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Seems very stupid to compare so called 'christian' extremists to the sort of violent kind fielded by the hugely intolerant moslem ones. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 5 2015, 12:30 PM Post #4 |
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For some it seems to be normal to cut off heads. |
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| Steve K | Jan 5 2015, 12:34 PM Post #5 |
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What a construed OP desperately trying to draw a link between 2005 and 2014 in order to make a religious hatred point. Not just sad but shameful. |
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| Whirlpool | Jan 5 2015, 09:30 PM Post #6 |
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LOL- He is attacking them for not being "peacful" enough! Try telling that to this lot....oh wait you cant! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html |
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| Affa | Jan 5 2015, 10:44 PM Post #7 |
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Under the rule of Saddam over a million deaths, and that's not counting those imprisoned, persecuted, and raped. For some death was a relief! |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 5 2015, 11:00 PM Post #8 |
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Does that figure include the ones who died because of sanctions by the west? |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 5 2015, 11:03 PM Post #9 |
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To many Muslims it's normal for Christians for them to invade there country and kill there children |
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| Affa | Jan 5 2015, 11:20 PM Post #10 |
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There is no figure for the Kuwait invasion ....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq#Number_of_Victims I hope you are not another that disrespects Wiki (when it suits), because whether or not the figures are accurate it is still very clear that there were more Murders/Deaths under Saddam than there has been since ...... and I do accept that any and all deaths are to be regretted and prevented where possible. |
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| Tigger | Jan 5 2015, 11:28 PM Post #11 |
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Hopefully they singled out British made cars, are there 940 British made cars in France? And in other news an elderly person with an ornithological name wishes it was still 1900. |
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| Tigger | Jan 5 2015, 11:29 PM Post #12 |
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Or swallow mice whole and alive? |
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| krugerman | Jan 5 2015, 11:39 PM Post #13 |
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Let me tell you something Buccaneer I am a proud athiest, I have little time for either Christianity or Islam, but I will defend to the death a persons right of Freedom Of Religion, and whilst I have no time for religion, I believe in mutual respect, and if everyone believed in "live and let live", what a better world it would be. I know Muslims, I have a couple of friends who are Muslims, and very nice people they are too, there are good and bad people in all walks of life, in all faiths. The main area where the rioting took place "Seine-Saint-Denis" is a very poor area, a high percentage of immigrants, and high levels of poverty, strange how large numbers of immigrants who appear "different" always produces poverty - I wonder why that could be. ? |
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| Affa | Jan 5 2015, 11:40 PM Post #14 |
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Ugh!! Disgusting!!!!!!!!! |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 5 2015, 11:49 PM Post #15 |
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Weird how when people on here talk about muslims killing muslims,the figure of a million deaths come up about Saddam has meant to have killed (don't forget he was the wests best friend for a while) I could say what about the tens of millions of Christians that were killed by other Christians in two world wars,but that would be off topic,,just like Saddam allegedly killing a million people |
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| Rich | Jan 5 2015, 11:54 PM Post #16 |
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And yet it must be stated that as bad as Saddam and Gadaffi were, they did keep a lid on the ME until the west decided to initiate regime changes, now look where we are. |
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| Affa | Jan 6 2015, 12:03 AM Post #17 |
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I have not taken sides here! There can be no escaping the fact that actions from Western motivated incursions have led to conflict, uprisings, terrorism, and political instability - all of which have meant Murders. However, the region has always been volatile, has never been peaceful, and normal (to us) living is a luxury few Muslims in the lands of Islam have ever enjoyed. Europe was for centuries the same ......... it no longer is. |
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| Affa | Jan 6 2015, 12:06 AM Post #18 |
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How can you say 'Keeping a lid on it" when the methods were torture, murder, and oppression? How can you when there were more deaths then than since? |
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| Rich | Jan 6 2015, 12:08 AM Post #19 |
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"Europe was for centuries the same ......... it no longer is." For now,......slowly but surely the west is becoming rather fed up with foreigners who do not assimilate into our way of living and once again it will all end in tears thanks to liberal minded social engineers who think that they know what is best for the plebs, I would like them to remember why Bastille day is so important to folks in Europe. |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 6 2015, 12:12 AM Post #20 |
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Could you explain what you mean,normal to us means? |
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| Rich | Jan 6 2015, 12:38 AM Post #21 |
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What business is it of ours if those in those countries are happy to be ruled by nutters, they could always do the same as us or even east Europe and stand together and fight back and consolidate their way of life, yes there will be deaths along the way but that is the only way they will truly find democracy, it is not for the west to poke their noses and make their minds up for them, is it any wonder the UK is fast becoming the "place of safety to be" we once had dictators, they fell by the wayside due to everyone standing together and opposing them. |
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| Affa | Jan 6 2015, 12:45 AM Post #22 |
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Freedom ..... of speech, of movement, from persecution. of choice, of religion = Democracy. Why did you need to ask? Edited by Affa, Jan 6 2015, 12:46 AM.
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 6 2015, 07:39 AM Post #23 |
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Correct,,who are we to tell them how to live |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 6 2015, 07:41 AM Post #24 |
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Maybe the people who live in those country's like living like that, Maybe they think there normal,and can't understand why we live like we do |
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| C-too | Jan 6 2015, 09:18 AM Post #25 |
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Saddam was a brutal murdering dictator responsible for over a million deaths. Religious sectarianism was alive and killing in Iraq before 2003. Given the post invasion information we are now aware of, it is obvious that Saddam's dreams of further conquest and control were still on his to do list. The problems in Libya began at the grass roots level as decent people called for an end to dictatorship. The West backed by the Arab league intervened to stop the bloodshed of civilians by the state. These problems existed because of the backward state of Iraq, Libya and other Islamic countries. I think your view of blaming the West is misplaced. |
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| Whirlpool | Jan 6 2015, 11:29 AM Post #26 |
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When are we going to invade North Korea, China? what about the hutsis killing the tutsis in Africa? Its none of our business, but War is good for the profiteers. Pointing out that Sadam killed x amount of people and claiming that we have only killed y amount of people doesnt mean it is okay and that it will help bring peace. Quite the contrary!!! Anyway didnt we go to war over WMD, shifting goal posts much? |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 6 2015, 12:06 PM Post #27 |
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Oh the famous WMD that TB told us about,,lol That turned out to be lies from him ,,,,again |
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| RJD | Jan 6 2015, 12:11 PM Post #28 |
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Common denominator = Oil Labour did nothing about Mugabe. Enough said. |
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| Affa | Jan 6 2015, 02:00 PM Post #29 |
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Well the snide answer would be, 'it's the business interest of UK business' (BP and the like - which btw is Multinational so not exactly British). The acceptance of which must then conclude that the UK government uses British troops (and lives [paid for by tax payers]) to further the opportunities and profits of Private corporations = shareholders ........ ungrateful bastards that they are! |
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| Tigger | Jan 6 2015, 09:10 PM Post #30 |
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They did not need to China came to the rescue, all those resources proved far to tempting, and the bonus for Magabe is that the Chinese are not hell bent on imposing their values and culture on others. We tend to fall down on that last bit. |
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| krugerman | Jan 6 2015, 10:04 PM Post #31 |
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I have always been of the opinion that as former rulers, we do have a certain moral duty to help former colonies, or to go to their aid in times of need. The almost forgotton intervention of UK forces in Sierra Leone in firstly a joint Commonwealth force, and later a heavier British intervention around 2000 was hugely sucessfull in stopping the civil war there and bringing much needed humanitarian aid, and to this day most people in Sierra Leone are very greatfull for what British forces did. The very fact that British aid workers, NHS volunteers and the military are leading the efforts to help the former colony with the Ebola crisis is once again testiment to our care of duty as former masters. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 7 2015, 05:49 PM Post #32 |
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Freedom of choice and free speech is a democratic right, but try telling that to the French workers, Editors and journalists of a satirical Paris publication for expressing theirs. I see that supporters of the peaceful religion has converted them from living human beings into dead ones at the point of a gun, along with two police officers protecting their right to do so, for doing just that. |
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| krugerman | Jan 7 2015, 06:14 PM Post #33 |
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Once again a poster ( Tytoalba ) attempts to link all Muslims to the actions of a handful of extremists. If everyone went down this path, on both sides, it would end in catastrophe, untold violence and possibly even a breakdown in order; And if the kneejerk reaction to this attrocity was to be anger, violence, lynchings and the targeting of innocent people, then what would be the point of freedom of speech, or freedom of anything. Tonight, Muslim leaders in France have condemned todays attack, the leader of France s main Muslim umbrella organisation described the attack as "barbaric attack" and that it was "against democracy". Whilst I condemn totaly what these murderers have done in Paris, I have to be devils advocate here, what if....... a satirical magazine in a majority Muslim country had a history of poking fun at Christians and Christianity ?, I feel sure it would result in some form of retaliation, and whilst its good to know we can poke fun at Islam, my question would be WHY disrespect someone elses deeply held beliefs. ? |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 7 2015, 06:31 PM Post #34 |
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Christianity is a peaceful religion and also very tolerant. There are mosques everywhere in Britain to make the point In some Muslim countries you cannot even take bible into the country. I do not think there would be any bombs planted, or people shot dead or beheaded if such publications or posters were printed do you? Let them keep up such actions and there will be retaliations Currently in Germany there are peaceful demonstrations taking place in protest at the perceived Iislamafication of the country. If there are protests and condemnation of the acts by the umbrella group it has been a long time coming and is very welcome. I do hope they will report to the authorities those committing the offences, or supporting such actions. It does seem that you accept the actions as legitimate opposition to the free speech and expression of none believers. |
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| Pro Veritas | Jan 7 2015, 06:44 PM Post #35 |
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I know 10,000 Pagans who on just one day at a place called Verden will stand testament to this claim being false. All The Best |
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| Deleted User | Jan 7 2015, 06:49 PM Post #36 |
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The Iraqis must be really grateful to the West. After rescuing them from the demon Saddam ( who they once gave support to) the West only killed 500000 to Saddams 1 million , wrecked Iraq's infrastructure and left it a sectarian violence ridden hell hole. |
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| johnofgwent | Jan 7 2015, 07:41 PM Post #37 |
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Well I read the link on "mashable.com" where assuming this story is not a spoof the statement is made that the french did not publish figures as an attempt to avoid repeats ifvthe practise. I suspect that tonight the french interior minister has much to say about moslems and cars will feature only in terms of how they made their getaway. |
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| johnofgwent | Jan 7 2015, 07:45 PM Post #38 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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I reckon my mate thought that right up to the point martin mcguinness had him vapourised by a roadside IED |
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| Deleted User | Jan 7 2015, 07:48 PM Post #39 |
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Lets not kid ourselves that contemporary Christianity has the moral high ground over Islam. The tolerance that some attribute to Christianity is not due to Christianity at all. It is due to our societies becoming more secular and Christian churches responding to the tolerance that comes with it. |
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| C-too | Jan 7 2015, 08:13 PM Post #40 |
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There is just so much nonsense posted over the invasion of Iraq. Neither the UK or the US benefitted from Iraqi oil. We should remember that it was the international community that issued Iraq with a "final opportunity" to comply with the ceasefire agreement that followed Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. And, while I'm at it, Tony Blair NEVER claimed in his own right, that Iraq had WMD. Anyone who claims he did is mistaken. He was not a weapons inspector and to my knowledge he never visited Iraq. His references to WMD were based on his belief that the information he received from the intelligence agency was correct. And that is what he said BEFORE the invasion. |
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