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| Topic Started: Jan 11 2015, 01:36 PM (206 Views) | |
| morayloon | Jan 11 2015, 01:36 PM Post #1 |
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The British establishment continues its anti-Scottish crusade. The latest act of stupidity is the army's refusal to drape the coffin of a killed soldier with the Saltire. As the Rev Campbell points out: "Soldiers have been buried in recent years draped in both the Saltire and the St George’s Cross rather than the Union Jack." http://wingsoverscotland.com/for-queen-and-country/ It will be interesting to see if a family, of a fallen English soldier, who requests the flag of St George to drape the coffin is allowed to do so. |
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| morayloon | Jan 11 2015, 03:03 PM Post #2 |
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Not forgetting Ofcom's decision not to accept the SNP as a major party. As a result Nicola Sturgeon, leader of Britain's 3rd largest party, will be excluded from the leaders' debates http://scottishnews.info/8309/robertson-list-snp-major-party/ |
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| krugerman | Jan 11 2015, 03:45 PM Post #3 |
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My own personal opinion - if you serve in the British Army, the only flag which should be allowed on a coffin of a military funeral is the British flag. There is no English Army or Scottish Army, only a British one |
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| Deleted User | Jan 11 2015, 04:02 PM Post #4 |
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I suspect this thread has been posted for the sole purpose of winding some English people up enough to make a remark that can be taken as an anti Scottish insult. |
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| Affa | Jan 11 2015, 04:14 PM Post #5 |
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What if it was a crescent moon flag being wanted displayed? or "God is Good" in Arabic |
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| krugerman | Jan 11 2015, 04:24 PM Post #6 |
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Well it is possible that such a request could be made, after all, there are Muslim soldiers in the British Army. This reinforces my previous point, once you allow any other flag other than the British flag at a British military funeral, then where do you draw the line ?, could members of my family have a Yorkshire flag, could Gurkha s have a Nepalese flag, could Sikh soldiers have a Sikh or Punjabi flag. ? |
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| morayloon | Jan 11 2015, 04:41 PM Post #7 |
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| Deleted User | Jan 11 2015, 04:43 PM Post #8 |
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Why not wait and see before you make accusations and assertions? |
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| morayloon | Jan 11 2015, 05:04 PM Post #9 |
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Have you not read the article. The family of a Scottish soldier was refused the right to use the Saltire. That is neither an accusation or accusation, it is fact! Also I used the phrase 'it will be very interesting to see ...' in my last post. Where in that am I accusing anyone? Edited by morayloon, Jan 11 2015, 05:04 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jan 11 2015, 05:07 PM Post #10 |
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You havent read your own thread title. If the British army only allows the union jack to adorn servicemens' coffins then they are not anti Scottish are they? You accused the 'Brit establishment' of being anti Scottish without a shred of evidence in this case. |
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| krugerman | Jan 11 2015, 07:30 PM Post #11 |
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Like England, Scotland is not an independent sovereign nation, they are both constituent parts of the United Kingdom. The majority of Scottish people wish to remain part of the United Kingdom, our shared nationality is British, and we swear allegiance to our shared British Crown, our soldiers, sailors and airmen (and women) serve in the British armed forces. My personal opinion is that a military funeral of any person who belonged to the armed forces should either have no flag, or the union flag, no other choice, and part of the reason I hold that opinion is because allowing military funerals with English, Scottish or even Welsh flags aids the cause of separation, something I am opposed to. |
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| morayloon | Jan 11 2015, 07:59 PM Post #12 |
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What are you on about. The request was for the coffin to be draped in the Saltire. The request was refused. Not only a slap on the face for the family but an attack on the Scottish nation. By refusing to allow what, up till then, had been normal practice it was an anti-Scottish act. Edited by morayloon, Jan 11 2015, 08:00 PM.
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| AndyK | Jan 11 2015, 08:59 PM Post #13 |
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Scotland isn't a nation. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 11 2015, 09:19 PM Post #14 |
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He was a British soldier. It was not an 'attack' on the Scottish nation because they are defended by the British army . As we all are. What are you on about? |
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| AndyK | Jan 11 2015, 09:30 PM Post #15 |
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Sounds like an embittered nationalist. |
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| morayloon | Jan 14 2015, 04:40 PM Post #16 |
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How do you figure that one out? |
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| morayloon | Jan 14 2015, 04:55 PM Post #17 |
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Quite simple. The families of killed soldiers have had their wishes regarding which flag was to be used to drape the coffin accepted in the past. That regrettable refusal is most definitely an attack on the Scottish nation. What will we get next, the refusal to allow Scottish soldiers to fly the Saltire when they want? Is the Cap Badge of the Royal Regiment of Scotland to be changed? Edited by morayloon, Jan 14 2015, 04:56 PM.
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| jaguar | Jan 14 2015, 05:26 PM Post #18 |
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Private Mark Connolly was a Scottish soldier serving in The Black Watch, a Scottish regiment. The families wishes should have been honoured. The Army brass should be ashamed of themselves. |
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| krugerman | Jan 15 2015, 09:42 AM Post #19 |
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The answer is really very simple Any person can have any flag draped upon their coffin, however, if it is a British military funeral, then only a British flag must be used. The family of the particular deceased did have a choice - they could have had a private civilian funeral and draped the flag of St Andrew on the coffin, a British military funeral means exactly what it says........ a British military funeral. |
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| Pro Veritas | Jan 15 2015, 10:01 AM Post #20 |
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^ This. All The Best |
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| RJD | Jan 15 2015, 10:37 AM Post #21 |
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Here is a thought: as the EU insists that projects funded by them in the UK and elsewhere displace the EU Flag, they why not insist the Scots display the Cross of St. George on such projects that are funded by English taxes? The claim that this is only recycled Scottish Oil money does not stand as the same can be said in regards to the UK contributions to the EU. Just an idea. That said, I bet most Scots are now, because of the collapse in oil prices, breathing a sigh of relief that they voted to stay in the Union. Just look what this collapse has done for the Russian economy. |
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| morayloon | Jan 15 2015, 11:32 AM Post #22 |
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The answer to your comment is that coffins of soldiers have been draped in the Saltire before this particular obscene reaction. The only reason for the army's stance is that it, and the establishment as a whole, were scared shitlessby the level of backing for ending the Union: 45% of Scots wanted out. The MoD has previous on this type of action. Witness the refusal to allow the Red Arrows to use the colours of the Saltire. see http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-non-political-games/ Moves have been taken to try and head off the Nationalists and Nationalist sympathies. Top of the list is the attempted side-lining of the SNP as seen with all this brouhaha over who can take part in the leaders' debates. The SNP is the third largest party in the UK. Polls are showing a massive surge to the party and talk of winning 40+ seats (I doubt very much that this, given the size of Labour majorities in some constituencies, will be the case) but all the talk is on whether UKIP and the Greens can participate. |
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