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RedTories Vote Against The Views Of Their Constituents
Topic Started: Jan 21 2015, 11:45 AM (643 Views)
morayloon
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Only 19 Labour MPs voted for the anti Trident motion brought up by the SNP/PC/Greens. 6 of these were Scottish MPs voting against the wishes of the Scottish people http://newsnet.scot/2015/01/trident-renewal-opposed-60-scots-says-snp-poll/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73ftahCEAAL3Xx.jpg


MP Brian Donohoe made a fool of himself by stating that Russian subs are going up the Clyde at present. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Tl27CaGmMaY&x-yt-ts=1421782837&x-yt-cl=84359240
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morayloon
Jan 21 2015, 07:01 PM
RJD
Jan 21 2015, 06:42 PM
gansao
Jan 21 2015, 05:43 PM
Morayloon has stated...Scotland would not have been Independent until 2016, by which time revenue from oil will have recovered. At the moment it is a headache for the Chancellor.

The question is..will they recover enough?
Always makes me smile when I hear forecasters on certainties. If they are so certain then I point them in the direction of FOREX in London where they can make themselves a fortune. I have no idea when or if the prices will rebound, but would not put a Penny on them doing so anytime soon, well not this side of 2016 and possibly 2020.

Isn't it funny how people can make predictions - 2016, 2020, whatever? The thing about predictions is they are just that, they are not based on any fact. Was the dramatic decrease in price 'predicted'?
Exactly based on fantasy a bit like the one that Scotland can do well outside of the £Sterling Zone. It is always foolish to vote for the unknown and just live in hope as Salmond would have you do. Unbuckling Scotland from England will have huge costs for Scotland and could result in its, Scotland's demise, you really do not understand how quickly the FS Sector in Edinburg could become a ghost town and the depth that Scotland is dependent of long established cross border business where the seat of power is not north of the border. Scotland is a long way from the commercial and industrial centre of gravity, it is not a Denmark bordering on it's main customer Germany, and it is only oil and public spending that sustains it. Is there not something about shooting the golden goose that does not give pause for thought?



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RJD
Jan 22 2015, 09:23 AM
morayloon
Jan 21 2015, 07:01 PM
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Jan 21 2015, 06:42 PM

Isn't it funny how people can make predictions - 2016, 2020, whatever? The thing about predictions is they are just that, they are not based on any fact. Was the dramatic decrease in price 'predicted'?
Exactly based on fantasy a bit like the one that Scotland can do well outside of the £Sterling Zone. It is always foolish to vote for the unknown and just live in hope as Salmond would have you do. Unbuckling Scotland from England will have huge costs for Scotland and could result in its, Scotland's demise, you really do not understand how quickly the FS Sector in Edinburg could become a ghost town and the depth that Scotland is dependent of long established cross border business where the seat of power is not north of the border. Scotland is a long way from the commercial and industrial centre of gravity, it is not a Denmark bordering on it's main customer Germany, and it is only oil and public spending that sustains it. Is there not something about shooting the golden goose that does not give pause for thought?



It may have escaped your notice but the SNP policy was to retain sterling for the forseeable future. Once the euro was back on track it would probably have joined the zone.
You attempt to make a point with regard Denmark & Germany. I would just reply that the Scotland -England context is similar. Scotland's main market is south of the border whilst England's trade with Scotland is relatively high. Do you really think this would change? I don't believe it would.
As for the financial institutions moving south, it was interesting that threats of this happening occurred only when the polls showed the gap closing. A case of the establishment clubbing together.
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morayloon
Jan 21 2015, 01:08 PM
gansao
Jan 21 2015, 12:14 PM
Maybe they thought that Trident is good for the UK as a whole. The majority of Scottish people rejected the SNP's attempt to split from the UK . You should remember that.
What has the referendum got to do with it? A poll showed that 60% of Scots (after Dont Knows were taken out) were against Trident. Labour will do well to think of the consequences of their actions - since getting into bed with the Tories, during the referendum, they have backed their Blue friends over austerity and now Trident. I just hope that in the upcoming months RedTory supporters remember how their representatives acted
The referendum may have been lost but the SNP have been flying high in the polls. The latest one gives the party a 20% lead http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2015/01/labour-still-mountain-climb-new-survation-poll/
You would do well to realise that Britain is not governed by the opinion polls of small minorities such as the Scots. Like you I regret that a majority of the Scots voted to stay in the Union but unfortunately only 45% of the Tartan Turkeys voted for Christmas.

I am far more interested in protecting the democratic rights of the majority through English Devolution, than in playing fast and loose with the defence of Britain.
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gansao
Jan 21 2015, 12:14 PM
Maybe they thought that Trident is good for the UK as a whole. The majority of Scottish people rejected the SNP's attempt to split from the UK . You should remember that.
Maybe, maybe NOT, after all, 'Labour' is the party caught in the TORY headlights, scared to even move for fear of moving or speaking without putting their feet in it.

For some reason, I keep thing of 'rabbits'. !poke!
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Jan 22 2015, 12:08 AM
morayloon
Jan 21 2015, 04:33 PM
. . .Opinion Polls are the only way, other than a full blown election or referendum, to gauge public opinion. . .
No they're not. The major parties give far more credence to focus groups to understand just why they are more or less likely to win. They just don't publish what those focus groups tell them.

And as for your poll you need to think through just how important Scots think the issue is. Was it to most an "I will die fighting for my view on this" issue or far more likely a "well all things being equal then I'd rather not have them" issue to most voters? Most voters say they'd prefer lower taxes and better funded schools and hospitals which compete as views. Guess which they'd really decide their vote over. And give them Security of the Realm v Not having a Nuclear Deterrent it'll be the former every time.


It's quite surprising how many newspapers can be sold harping on about views on issues the public barely gives tuppence about when push comes to shove.
Focus Groups are very important to the parties but opinion polls are also used, sometimes funded by an individual party.
It was rather obviously a single issue survey. I agree that nuclear weapons would not come high on the agenda of most people. However it was a poll relating to peoples view on Trident and 60% said get the moissiles out of Scotland.
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