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Leon Brittan dies.
Topic Started: Jan 22 2015, 02:45 PM (453 Views)
AndyK
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Which may come as a relief for certain former politicians who had some embarrassing questions to answer.

Edited by AndyK, Jan 22 2015, 02:45 PM.
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Silence is Golden.

I'd like to say RIP, but I can't ......... today there are some still living that will sleep a little better tonight.

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I have seen no evidence that incriminates the man in anything, have you? Is this another Red Nag myth in the making?



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Are you reticent about discovering the truth about that missing dossier, are your party political motives so strong you even want the facts buried forever?
Silence is Golden.

This is the guy that wants £9ml spent on an Iraq enquiry because he believes it will show the Blair government up in a bad light. There are no depths to which Tories like this will not sink to.



Edited by Affa, Jan 22 2015, 06:08 PM.
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Jan 22 2015, 04:23 PM
I have seen no evidence that incriminates the man in anything, have you? Is this another Red Nag myth in the making?



No "Red Nag" myth involved RJD, it must have cost someone a lot of money for the injunctions which I presume are now not in place because he has died.
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On the basis that there is no smoke without fire, had he lived Leon Britten would have had serious questions to answer regarding the missing file on the Westminster peadophile ring. Certainly a lack lustre but hitherto honest career and reputation has been tainted with suspicions regarding his conduct.

However the law of this land is that an accused is innocent until proved guilty and that a dead man can not be tried for a crime in a Court of Law. Nevertheless it was entirely predictable that there are those on the left on this forum who would grab the opportunity to besmirch the reputation of the man, not because he was proven to be guilty in the way Saville was, post mortem, but because he was an ex-Conservative Minister.

I have little doubt in my own mind that had it been a less than savoury ex-Labour Minister, of whom there are many, who had fled this mortal coil the same entirely predictable 'Usuals' would have very little or nothing to say!
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I don't know whether or not there is such a thing as a 'good' Tory, but, to my knowledge he was one of the 'better' one's, relatively speaking.

There are very few 'Tories' who display even the minimum 'empathy' with those who are not, 'one of us', I'm sure that Leon Brittan would have done the right thing, if called upon to do so.

I would say, IMHO that he is not the type to place any item of this issue landing on his desk at the Home Office, into the 'long grass', rather, as has been said, to pass it on to the appropriate Minister or department.

RE; the above post; "I have little doubt in my own mind that had it been a less than savoury ex-Labour Minister, of whom there are many, who had fled this mortal coil the same entirely predictable 'Usuals' would have very little or nothing to say! "

Indeed, well said, Look at the 'Labour' constituency that hid the paedophiles in it's Yorkshire town, which then blew up post 2010 election, as you say,I totally agree, these PC 'Labour' brigades kept mum, when the situation demanded ACTION.

Judge them by their 'ACTIONS'-NOT-their 'WORDS' or lack of them, as in this case.
Edited by Nonsense, Jan 22 2015, 06:52 PM.
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RJD
Jan 22 2015, 04:23 PM
I have seen no evidence that incriminates the man in anything, have you? Is this another Red Nag myth in the making?



Well there are plenty of solid accusations flying about to which we have no answers.

Perhaps you could offer us some of your forensic insight into some lost reports, which are a matter of record BTW, and several missing files that were supposedly under Brittans's protection?

Feel free to talk from your backside whilst you avoid giving a straight answer, because as we all know sometimes what is not said can be just as revealing as what is said

Still with Brittain now a corpse the libel laws no longer apply to him.
Edited by Tigger, Jan 22 2015, 09:18 PM.
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The files were in his possession, have gone missing, and no action was taken by him or anyone else to investigate the serious allegations made therein ........ at the very least LB was negligent. He had the authority to clear up those allegations, it was why he was given the evidence ....... and he failed.
Call it 'lefty' bias if you like, it matters not, but do not forget that it is the abuse and murder of innocent children that is being alleged and any defence of the negligence to answer these allegations is is pure bloody Tory party bias, defending a cover-up.


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Margaret Thatcher thought highly of him. Enough said.
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Jan 22 2015, 06:35 PM
On the basis that there is no smoke without fire, had he lived Leon Britten would have had serious questions to answer regarding the missing file on the Westminster peadophile ring. Certainly a lack lustre but hitherto honest career and reputation has been tainted with suspicions regarding his conduct.

However the law of this land is that an accused is innocent until proved guilty and that a dead man can not be tried for a crime in a Court of Law. Nevertheless it was entirely predictable that there are those on the left on this forum who would grab the opportunity to besmirch the reputation of the man, not because he was proven to be guilty in the way Saville was, post mortem, but because he was an ex-Conservative Minister.

I have little doubt in my own mind that had it been a less than savoury ex-Labour Minister, of whom there are many, who had fled this mortal coil the same entirely predictable 'Usuals' would have very little or nothing to say!
The Tory supporting newspapers are far from free of anti Labour insinuation an allegedly comments, a little reverse traffic is IMO quite understandable.
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This rather reminds me of those old Frankentein films where the townsfolk marched up to the big house with pitch forks and clubs, demanding justice.

The fact is that Leon Brittan died an innocent man, he did so because there is no evidence that he committed any offence, or that he did anything wrong, if evidence does later come to light that he was party to a cover-up, or that he hid evidence, that would change things, but as things currently stand, he is still innocent.

I met Leon Brittan many times, I once interviewed him for a TV programme, he was my member of Parliament for almost ten years, and he was a familiar figure in my home town, I am not a Conservative supporter or voter, but I will stick my neck out and say that in my view he was a decent and genuine guy ( am I really saying this about a Tory MP ).

One of my memories of Leon was in the bar of The Metropole Hotel in Whitby, we were all stood around and swapping jokes, he told the one about "there s a woman in China having a baby every second, their trying to find her and stop her".

I would sooner eat broken glass than vote Tory, but I dont like cheap political point scoring, and no matter what your views are about politics, he actually was a very active and hard working constituency MP, and he always reiterated and reinforced the point that he works "for all the constituents, irrelevant of politics".

Time may prove that he was not the honest man that many think he is, but for the time been that phrase "innocent until proved guilty" should apply.

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Heinrich
Jan 23 2015, 08:25 AM
Margaret Thatcher thought highly of him. Enough said.
Was that before or after she sacked him for his incompetence in leaking to the press?
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Jan 22 2015, 06:35 PM
On the basis that there is no smoke without fire, had he lived Leon Britten would have had serious questions to answer regarding the missing file on the Westminster peadophile ring. Certainly a lack lustre but hitherto honest career and reputation has been tainted with suspicions regarding his conduct.

However the law of this land is that an accused is innocent until proved guilty and that a dead man can not be tried for a crime in a Court of Law. Nevertheless it was entirely predictable that there are those on the left on this forum who would grab the opportunity to besmirch the reputation of the man, not because he was proven to be guilty in the way Saville was, post mortem, but because he was an ex-Conservative Minister.

I have little doubt in my own mind that had it been a less than savoury ex-Labour Minister, of whom there are many, who had fled this mortal coil the same entirely predictable 'Usuals' would have very little or nothing to say!
Quite innocent until proven otherwise.
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Jan 23 2015, 08:52 AM
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Jan 22 2015, 06:35 PM
On the basis that there is no smoke without fire, had he lived Leon Britten would have had serious questions to answer regarding the missing file on the Westminster peadophile ring. Certainly a lack lustre but hitherto honest career and reputation has been tainted with suspicions regarding his conduct.

However the law of this land is that an accused is innocent until proved guilty and that a dead man can not be tried for a crime in a Court of Law. Nevertheless it was entirely predictable that there are those on the left on this forum who would grab the opportunity to besmirch the reputation of the man, not because he was proven to be guilty in the way Saville was, post mortem, but because he was an ex-Conservative Minister.

I have little doubt in my own mind that had it been a less than savoury ex-Labour Minister, of whom there are many, who had fled this mortal coil the same entirely predictable 'Usuals' would have very little or nothing to say!
The Tory supporting newspapers are far from free of anti Labour insinuation an allegedly comments, a little reverse traffic is IMO quite understandable.
Understandable perhaps, but acceptable? I think not.

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Accusing a man of something when he is unable to defend himself is a bad edge. No doubt investigations will continue and assumptions will be made, but that happens all the time when examining historical events and people living or dead which played some part in them.
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Jan 22 2015, 06:35 PM
On the basis that there is no smoke without fire, had he lived Leon Britten would have had serious questions to answer regarding the missing file on the Westminster peadophile ring. Certainly a lack lustre but hitherto honest career and reputation has been tainted with suspicions regarding his conduct.

However the law of this land is that an accused is innocent until proved guilty and that a dead man can not be tried for a crime in a Court of Law. Nevertheless it was entirely predictable that there are those on the left on this forum who would grab the opportunity to besmirch the reputation of the man, not because he was proven to be guilty in the way Saville was, post mortem, but because he was an ex-Conservative Minister.

I have little doubt in my own mind that had it been a less than savoury ex-Labour Minister, of whom there are many, who had fled this mortal coil the same entirely predictable 'Usuals' would have very little or nothing to say!
Political alleigiences play no part in such things. It is a matter for personal morals and ethics. Some people have more/different ones to others.
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Jan 23 2015, 12:23 PM
This rather reminds me of those old Frankentein films where the townsfolk marched up to the big house with pitch forks and clubs, demanding justice.

The fact is that Leon Brittan died an innocent man, he did so because there is no evidence that he committed any offence, or that he did anything wrong, if evidence does later come to light that he was party to a cover-up, or that he hid evidence, that would change things, but as things currently stand, he is still innocent.

I met Leon Brittan many times, I once interviewed him for a TV programme, he was my member of Parliament for almost ten years, and he was a familiar figure in my home town, I am not a Conservative supporter or voter, but I will stick my neck out and say that in my view he was a decent and genuine guy ( am I really saying this about a Tory MP ).

One of my memories of Leon was in the bar of The Metropole Hotel in Whitby, we were all stood around and swapping jokes, he told the one about "there s a woman in China having a baby every second, their trying to find her and stop her".

I would sooner eat broken glass than vote Tory, but I dont like cheap political point scoring, and no matter what your views are about politics, he actually was a very active and hard working constituency MP, and he always reiterated and reinforced the point that he works "for all the constituents, irrelevant of politics".

Time may prove that he was not the honest man that many think he is, but for the time been that phrase "innocent until proved guilty" should apply.


I do not doubt your words or your judgement K, but must remind that he (alone) it was that had the dossier and lost it .... and did nothing to address the allegations within it. It is possible to be a good man and yet still be complicit in a huge wrong if the pressures are put on him to conform.

Edited by Affa, Jan 23 2015, 09:24 PM.
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IF the story is true that he was given such dossier. IF
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