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| Another hung parliament. Four scenarios could follow. | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 23 2015, 11:21 PM (969 Views) | |
| scorpio | Jan 23 2015, 11:21 PM Post #1 |
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Another hung parliament? Four scenarios that could follow IMO it's too early to make any reasonable predictions, on which party or parties will win the GE. Especially, considering that there doesn't appear to be any clear winner, emerging from the mix that is the contest for government. However, it seems that another hung parliament, and the forming of another coalition government, is more likely than a majority government. Repeated coalitions within the FPTP structure, is an indication that FPTP is crumbling and electoral reform would bring more universally accepted, more democracy, and stable government. Four scenarios that could occur. See link. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30902524 |
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| Affa | Jan 25 2015, 03:19 PM Post #41 |
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^ edited above Edited by Affa, Jan 25 2015, 03:20 PM.
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| papasmurf | Jan 25 2015, 03:32 PM Post #42 |
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It is now several different groups of people with no-one able to explain where they have gone, especially those who have been sanctioned. I would also like to point out this from the DWP's manual on sanctioning people, obviously a lot of DWP staff are ignoring it:- https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/391572/dmgch35.pdf Comparing the decline in health with a healthy adult 35098 The DM must consider if the health of the person with the medical condition would decline more than a normal healthy adult. The DM should make this comparison based on a normal healthy adult who is in similar circumstances to the person with the medical condition. 35099 It would be usual for a normal healthy adult to suffer some deterioration in their health if they were without 1. essential items, such as food, clothing, heating and accommodation or 2. sufficient money to buy essential items for a period of two weeks. See Appendix 6 to this Chapter for further guidance. The DM must determine if a person with a medical condition would suffer a greater decline in health than a normal healthy adult and would suffer hardship (DMG 35142 et seq). Comparison with vulnerable groups 35142 People in hardship who are not in vulnerable groups have entitlement to hardship payments in fewer circumstances than those who are in vulnerable groups. See DMG 35290 et seq for guidance when people who are not in vulnerable groups may be entitled to hardship payments. 35143 A person in hardship who is not a member of a vulnerable group cannot get hardship payments if the DM has determined that there is no entitlement to JSA because the claimant does not satisfy the condition of 1. availability or 2. ASE or 3. having a JSAg. Note: DMs should not confuse the above with cases where the claimant has been disallowed JSA on the grounds of availability or ASE and makes a subsequent claim which is subject to an intermediate sanction. In those cases the guidance at DMG 35007 and 35299 et seq will apply. |
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| Affa | Jan 25 2015, 03:51 PM Post #43 |
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I believe that there is an established correlation between Hardship in life and Life Expectancy. A hard life is more likely to be a shortened life than one that is not! |
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| RJD | Jan 25 2015, 04:02 PM Post #44 |
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Well at least I judge. |
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| RJD | Jan 25 2015, 04:07 PM Post #45 |
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A old aircraft hanger in Roswell, New Mexico. Tell they were Brits from their pallid complexion, addiction to pies and right arm permanently extended with the hand in a cupped position. |
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| RJD | Jan 25 2015, 04:14 PM Post #46 |
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I am sure a easy life just sitting at home, eating junk food swilled down with cheap beer and watching TV all day without recourse to exercise might be considered "soft", but it is hardly conducive to living a long life. So at the extremes you might have something, but elsewhere I doubt it. Churchill drank excessively all his adult life. A Jewish chap on TV the other night spent 6 years in a Concentration Camp living on scraps and feeling very cold most minters and he is today well into his nineties, looks quite fit, active and lucid. |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 25 2015, 04:15 PM Post #47 |
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All these links that you get so excited about are meaningless,, Where do the government keep the bodies? What method do the government use to kill people by the thousand? Who is doing the governments work and killing them? That's the questions you should be asking, Not posting links about people missing from a list. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 25 2015, 04:15 PM Post #48 |
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You and others can make light of it as much as you like, none of you have yet explained how such a large number of people can disappear off of several datasets and not appear anywhere else, not on any benefit, not in work, not paying any NI. Given how many of them are physically and/or mentally ill, or are mentally deficient, you may not care but I do, and I won't apologise to anyone for that. |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 25 2015, 04:17 PM Post #49 |
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But that's the thing,YOU don't know what's happened to them either,so you come on here saying the government has killed them all |
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| Affa | Jan 25 2015, 04:18 PM Post #50 |
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Three Mince Beef & Onion pies for £1.17 in Tesco (I honestly couldn't believe it when I saw it - Greggs (Bakers) charge nearly £2 for one). Look next to sausage rolls ...... it's not addiction that attracts those on benefits towards such purchases. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 25 2015, 04:29 PM Post #51 |
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Well if you can explain to me how a large number of long term ill people, physically disabled people, people with serious mental health problems and mentally deficient people can stay alive when left with no income and no means of getting an income can stay alive, please feel free, because neither you or anyone else on this forum, from the DWP, or the government has been able to answer it. |
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| RJD | Jan 25 2015, 04:32 PM Post #52 |
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Nobody is asking you to apologise for anything. You made your rash claims and must expect to be ridiculed when they are massively in error. You claimed that the Gov. would kill 600,000 people a few years back as they had no money, later you changed this to on or before the next GE, now you appear to wish us to believe that as they are not dead in the streets and can therefore be physically counted then they must have disappeared. Come the day after the next GE you will no doubt claim that at least 600,000 have been killed by the State and their bodies have been hidden from view. Well even Adolf Hitler did not manage to kill that many Brits and he had weapons and purpose. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 25 2015, 04:37 PM Post #53 |
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RJD, it is now far more that 600000 who have disappeared from the databases, if you can't explain where they have gone, then you and the others here who have not an explanation for where they have gone really are stupid for ridiculing me. Come up with a explanation for where they are please, or shut up. |
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| RJD | Jan 25 2015, 04:59 PM Post #54 |
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You presume far too much. Check your logic. Because you claim that hundreds of thousands of people no longer exist on a data base does not allow you to conclude that they are dead or that the State has killed them. You deserve to be ridiculed for making such idiotic assumptions. I have no intention of wasting my time with your Roswellian nonsense, so best you prove your claims. |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 25 2015, 05:10 PM Post #55 |
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I think there still alive somewhere, At least I have answered your question, Give me the names of three people the government have killed,where they hid the bodies,how they killed them,and who did the killing,,any two answers will do |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 25 2015, 05:11 PM Post #56 |
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A database is not lying dead on the streets somewhere |
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| somersetli | Jan 25 2015, 05:14 PM Post #57 |
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I am a little puzzled here. How did a thread about a possible future hung parliament, descend into an argument regarding the disappearance (or not), of 600,000 people? Edited by somersetli, Jan 25 2015, 05:14 PM.
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| RJD | Jan 25 2015, 05:17 PM Post #58 |
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All threads are highjacked by the serial shroud waver no matter what their origins. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 25 2015, 05:30 PM Post #59 |
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If you check it was not me who started it. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 25 2015, 05:33 PM Post #60 |
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You stated hidden the bodies, I didn't. Links to names here:- http://disabilitynewsservice.com/2014/11/dwp-admits-investigating-60-benefit-related-deaths-since-2012/ |
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| krugerman | Jan 25 2015, 05:58 PM Post #61 |
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Based entirely upon today s (Jan 25th) YouGov Sunday Times opinion poll, but adding in the "Scottish factor", an election tomorrow would result in --> LAB 297 CON 269 SNP 51 LibDem 14 UKIP 0 Negotiations would commence between Ed Miliband and Nicola Sturgeon, and if Sturgeon then attempted to put independence on the agenda, I suspect negotiations would then run into big trouble, if Sturgeon accepted that devo-max is the only game to play and accepted that independence is absolutely out of the question, then an SNP-Lab coalition could work quite well, after all, the SNP have a very similar political complexion to Labour. |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 25 2015, 06:01 PM Post #62 |
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The 600,000+ are not lying on the streets |
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| Tigger | Jan 25 2015, 06:03 PM Post #63 |
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There are some Poles living beneath an underpass near here does that count? |
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| Affa | Jan 25 2015, 06:09 PM Post #64 |
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I'd say that looks about right - it will be worth a re-visit come May. As for the SNP ..... Labour will have the Liberals to talk to as well, and that takes away the SNP wild card to a large extent ......... the problem is not 'Independence' but Scots voting on English only policies. The Liberals hold the true balance of power. |
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| Rich | Jan 25 2015, 07:02 PM Post #65 |
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And neither have you. |
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| HIGHWAY | Jan 25 2015, 07:03 PM Post #66 |
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Don't think so the man did say the government was killing people of by the hundreds of thousands,,shame he won't say how they are doing it |
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| Rich | Jan 25 2015, 07:14 PM Post #67 |
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The liberals could not hold a conversation let alone the balance of power, they will disappear into the annals of history after May. Edited by Rich, Jan 25 2015, 07:15 PM.
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| Affa | Jan 25 2015, 07:43 PM Post #68 |
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Possibly, and my other reservation is that UKIP could do a lot better than zero seats. In fact it likely will take UKIP and the Liberals together to negate the worst the SNP could try to do. A Clegg/Farage alliance ......... anything is possible, eh. I'm sort of of the mind that "you reap what you sew" as being what is most relevant in an historical context to 'the times we live in'. Edited by Affa, Jan 25 2015, 07:45 PM.
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| Affa | Jan 25 2015, 07:59 PM Post #69 |
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........ what would you do if, as headmaster, you had rival groups causing mayhem in the playground and uproar in the classroom? All sense of academic progress is lost, even the good kids lose out on getting the education they deserve. Order must be re-established. You gather them all in the school hall and tell them to get on with each other, and to get on with studying, or they will be having to explain to their parents why they are kicked out. Post GE, we will have a Parliament full of unruly wannabe governors - told to sort out their differences and get back to working for the State - or the State will retire them all. |
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| Steve K | Jan 25 2015, 10:14 PM Post #70 |
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That really is very dishonest PS as you've had an explanation several times. You happen to not like the explanation but tough luck A claimant is sanctioned and realises that there is no point in appealing as their claim was essentially not justified. They are pointed at other benefits but when they look at those they realise they are means tested and they either have sufficient cash in the bank or other household income that means any claim will not be paid. In short they are living of other means available to them. Now until you can disprove that please stop posting the falsehood that 600,000 must be dying. I care not that it makes you look like the biggest idiot on the forum but I do care that by association it harms the consideration of genuine issues about the disadvantaged in this country. People you claim to be arguing for but the evidence really is to the contrary. |
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| RJD | Jan 26 2015, 02:39 PM Post #71 |
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But 600,000 or more are being starved to death by this Gov. it's just that you do not know it yet and I will not be able to prove it until they are dead. You also do not know the motivation that the Gov. has for killing these people off, but I can assure you it is all to do with targets and winning elections and of course rewarding Tory friends, however, the reward cannot yet be identified, but as soon as it is you will be the first to know. Do you remember Twomey: an interesting relationship with reality? |
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| papasmurf | Jan 26 2015, 02:45 PM Post #72 |
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No I have not, had an explanation not even close to one because the disappeared in the current context of the discussion now includes several other groups of people. |
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| somersetli | Jan 26 2015, 02:59 PM Post #73 |
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Perhaps you should ask the Greeks PS. They seem to have suffered far worse austerity than we have experienced here. Have they had several thousand people disappear? |
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| RJD | Jan 26 2015, 03:42 PM Post #74 |
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Last seen walking into Coutts Zurich with suitcases full of Euros. |
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| jaguar | Jan 26 2015, 04:50 PM Post #75 |
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Actual Greeks as immigrants to the UK are big spenders, always have been since the 40s when they started coming in numbers. They buy houses, cars, furniture and most have a very good EDUCATION. I gather in the past 3 months, billions of Euros has been leaving Greek BANK accounts, much of it headed for the UK especially as the £pound as increased against the Euro. Edited by jaguar, Jan 26 2015, 05:17 PM.
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| Tigger | Jan 26 2015, 05:20 PM Post #76 |
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And at the branch located at No 440 The Strand. Not sure I'd trust my loose change with a division of RBS though. |
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| Tigger | Jan 26 2015, 05:22 PM Post #77 |
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Hope none of it is hot money, we wouldn't want dodgy cash sullying our banking system would we?
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| papasmurf | Jan 26 2015, 05:46 PM Post #78 |
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I thought you knew better than that RJD, Coutts are fussy who they deal with. |
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| jaguar | Jan 26 2015, 05:50 PM Post #79 |
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The people of Greece have bought the same lies that left wing parties always preach, They believe you can just continue borrowing for someone else to pay, or hope never to pay the bill. Are there lessons to be learned on how not to run a Country. |
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| Steve K | Jan 26 2015, 11:57 PM Post #80 |
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As if you could substantiate that You've had your explanation don't post again that you've never had one or you will get the obvious label BTW 100 days to the election, according to you 600,000 bodies to be taken care of. How strange that the funeral directors of the UK aren't buying Lamborghinis on the prospects. Perhaps they know what the rest of us do - your theory was always baloney and it still is baloney. |
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