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The big swing: voters who are changing lanes
Topic Started: Jan 24 2015, 09:44 AM (574 Views)
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/-sp-big-swing-voters-changing-lanes

I found this to be most informative.
Edited by Cymru, Jan 24 2015, 09:44 AM.
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All it does is to reinforces the view that this election is wide open, and that the outcome is uncertain.
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Jan 24 2015, 01:21 PM
All it does is to reinforces the view that this election is wide open, and that the outcome is uncertain.
The politicians have no one but themselves to blame for the situation, obviously, the word of the day is OBFUSCATION, and this from all parties that at the last preamble to the GE promised transparency...........and people believed them............I despair not only of MP's but more so with those that vote without thinking and remembering.
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I think that Labour + SNP might just scrape in with a majority then there will be fun.



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Jan 24 2015, 04:04 PM
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I think that Labour + SNP might just scrape in with a majority then there will be fun.



Fun for whom?
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Jan 24 2015, 04:04 PM
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I think that Labour + SNP might just scrape in with a majority then there will be fun.



The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 04:04 PM
Betting Odds

Labour (evens)
Conservative (evens)
UKIP (15/1)
Lib-Dems (1000/1)

I think that Labour + SNP might just scrape in with a majority then there will be fun.



The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Obviously, this country gets what it deserves because of weak leadership and hypocrisy.
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Hypocrisy certainly! Here we would have the situation of a Scottish Nationalist Party, whose very existence is to obtain an independent Scotland. Asking people in Scotland to vote for them, when those very same people have already indicated that they do not want that to happen.
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
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Jan 24 2015, 07:13 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
Once again, Papa, I bring you to task, can you say with hand on heart that this country was any better off between 1997 and 2010, and when I say country I mean the WHOLE country not just the sector that you keep on about and I would be obliged if you would reply without any threats to anybody.
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Jan 24 2015, 07:13 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
A labour \SNP run government would be the end of the UK
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Jan 24 2015, 07:21 PM
Once again, Papa, I bring you to task, can you say with hand on heart that this country was any better off between 1997 and 2010, and when I say country I mean the WHOLE country not just the sector that you keep on about and I would be obliged if you would reply without any threats to anybody.
Well there are 6 million more people in dire financial straights now that before David Cameron became Prime Minister. So instead of 12 million people who were close to the edge there are now 18 million. So at least 6 million were better off between 1997 and 2010.
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Jan 24 2015, 07:25 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:21 PM
Once again, Papa, I bring you to task, can you say with hand on heart that this country was any better off between 1997 and 2010, and when I say country I mean the WHOLE country not just the sector that you keep on about and I would be obliged if you would reply without any threats to anybody.
Well there are 6 million more people in dire financial straights now that before David Cameron became Prime Minister. So instead of 12 million people who were close to the edge there are now 18 million. So at least 6 million were better off between 1997 and 2010.
I would suggest that every person with a job is but 3 months away from 'dire financial straights', and in a lot of cases one missed pay packet would be enough.

Is that the 'fault' of whichever government is in charge?
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Jan 24 2015, 07:25 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:21 PM
Once again, Papa, I bring you to task, can you say with hand on heart that this country was any better off between 1997 and 2010, and when I say country I mean the WHOLE country not just the sector that you keep on about and I would be obliged if you would reply without any threats to anybody.
Well there are 6 million more people in dire financial straights now that before David Cameron became Prime Minister. So instead of 12 million people who were close to the edge there are now 18 million. So at least 6 million were better off between 1997 and 2010.
Do you suppose that could be because of all the extra mouths to feed that were welcomed with opened arms between 1997 and 2010?

Please give an honest reply without resort to links.
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If Labour teamed up with the SNP that will be the end of them.

It would be totally unacceptable to the English.

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Jan 24 2015, 07:54 PM
If Labour teamed up with the SNP that will be the end of them.

It would be totally unacceptable to the English.

No doubt labour won't say that will happen until after the election
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Jan 24 2015, 04:04 PM
Betting Odds

Labour (evens)
Conservative (evens)
UKIP (15/1)
Lib-Dems (1000/1)

I think that Labour + SNP might just scrape in with a majority then there will be fun.



Odds merely follow the amount of money bet.

If abdullahs grandson rang paddy power and wagered enough of his oilfields output on the next uk government being an islamic caliphate I guarantee you top of that list to form the next government would be an arabic name
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Jan 24 2015, 08:01 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:54 PM
If Labour teamed up with the SNP that will be the end of them.

It would be totally unacceptable to the English.

No doubt labour won't say that will happen until after the election
As I have said several times jeremy vine did a CGI backed five min piece the day before gordon brown resigned.

In that short documentary it was shown that brown could have run a rainbow coalition

The most caustic of the people he needed support from was salmands snp

Salmand refused a coalition stating the snp vould vote for whatever they were bribed by brown to vote for

So brown handed the country to cameron and clegg
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Jan 24 2015, 07:37 PM
Do you suppose that could be because of all the extra mouths to feed that were welcomed with opened arms between 1997 and 2010?

Please give an honest reply without resort to links.
It has to be a factor but just how many times do I have to state I don't want ANY immigration?
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Jan 24 2015, 08:59 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:37 PM
Do you suppose that could be because of all the extra mouths to feed that were welcomed with opened arms between 1997 and 2010?

Please give an honest reply without resort to links.
It has to be a factor but just how many times do I have to state I don't want ANY immigration?
One could ask the question why - bringing the answer that you think that every single job that is available could be and should be done by someone of British origin.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of British people do not agree with you, and are happy to ship people in to do jobs that Brits can't, or won't, do.

The thought that the British people are willing be subjugated and press-ganged into doing jobs that they don't want by removing immigrants is nonsense.
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Jan 24 2015, 02:18 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 01:21 PM
All it does is to reinforces the view that this election is wide open, and that the outcome is uncertain.
The politicians have no one but themselves to blame for the situation, obviously, the word of the day is OBFUSCATION, and this from all parties that at the last preamble to the GE promised transparency...........and people believed them............I despair not only of MP's but more so with those that vote without thinking and remembering.
"transparency" ? NL did introduce the Freedom of Information Act.
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Jan 24 2015, 09:39 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 02:18 PM
Alberich
Jan 24 2015, 01:21 PM
All it does is to reinforces the view that this election is wide open, and that the outcome is uncertain.
The politicians have no one but themselves to blame for the situation, obviously, the word of the day is OBFUSCATION, and this from all parties that at the last preamble to the GE promised transparency...........and people believed them............I despair not only of MP's but more so with those that vote without thinking and remembering.
"transparency" ? NL did introduce the Freedom of Information Act.
Could you inform Mr Chilcot please?
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Jan 24 2015, 07:24 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:13 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
A labour \SNP run government would be the end of the UK

I do think that the role of the SNP in any coalition is over stated, and the fears from it exaggerated ....... I propose that where say a Labour SNP coalition were at logger head difference the Liberals and of course the Tories can easily avert a dam blockage by siding with Labour where these all do agree ........ and on the Union they do all agree. The SNP are a weak party, they are too few to be demanding. The issue will always be around the Scots voting on English matters .......

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Jan 24 2015, 07:13 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
Totally agree. Get rid of the incompetent Tory dross.
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Jan 24 2015, 10:55 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:13 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
Totally agree. Get rid of the incompetent Tory dross.
It's often said, that, "Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them"

I think this will be a true result of the GE.

There is a undercurrent of feeling that the Con-LD coalition could have done better from 2010 to 2015.

It's not what, or if, the opposition could have done better. It's that the expectation of the electoral was that the government could or should have done better.

Time for change.
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Jan 24 2015, 10:55 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
Totally agree. Get rid of the incompetent Tory dross.
To be replaced with what
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Jan 24 2015, 11:24 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 10:55 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 07:13 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
Totally agree. Get rid of the incompetent Tory dross.
It's often said, that, "Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them"

I think this will be a true result of the GE.

There is a undercurrent of feeling that the Con-LD coalition could have done better from 2010 to 2015.

It's not what, or if, the opposition could have done better. It's that the expectation of the electoral was that the government could or should have done better.

Time for change.
Well said ^

They needed 2014 to go even better and for a while it looked like it would. But the roulette wheel of fate came up 00 again.
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"Time for change."

Time for voters to get their memory hats on and ponder what went on between 97 and 2010.
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Jan 24 2015, 11:55 PM
"Time for change."

Time for voters to get their memory hats on and ponder what went on between 97 and 2010.
Most people only judge government by the results and performance of the current government. Some look to past governments, but it's the current government that will be foremost in their thoughts.

It's the "now" that counts most. Not the past.
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Jan 24 2015, 11:55 PM
"Time for change."

Time for voters to get their memory hats on and ponder what went on between 97 and 2010.
Most people only judge government by the results and performance of the current government. Some look to past governments, but it's the current government that will be foremost in their thoughts.

It's the "now" that counts most. Not the past.
You may well say that, but if I were to apply for another job, the only qualification I could offer would be my historical working evidence.

The applying political parties must do the same, I wonder if the voting public will give them a good job reference?
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Jan 24 2015, 11:55 PM
"Time for change."

Time for voters to get their memory hats on and ponder what went on between 97 and 2010.
Most people only judge government by the results and performance of the current government. Some look to past governments, but it's the current government that will be foremost in their thoughts.

It's the "now" that counts most. Not the past.
You may well say that, but if I were to apply for another job, the only qualification I could offer would be my historical working evidence.

The applying political parties must do the same, I wonder if the voting public will give them a good job reference?
Well at least with Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne and crew, you know what your getting. Even if it's indecisive weak government.

As for the opposition leaders, Milliband, Farage, Sturgeon, etc. it's difficult to know how they would govern.

I'm not sure that past performance is really part of the equation.


Different times brings different solutions.

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Jan 24 2015, 09:28 PM
One could ask the question why -
You know why, as I have commented on many times. Getting the population down to the long term sustainable population is far more important than any other issue. Stopping ALL immigration, is a major factor in starting to address that.
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Jan 24 2015, 09:28 PM
One could ask the question why -
You know why, as I have commented on many times. Getting the population down to the long term sustainable population is far more important than any other issue. Stopping ALL immigration, is a major factor in starting to address that.
And which political party would be more likely to embrace that.
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Jan 25 2015, 09:44 AM
And which political party would be more likely to embrace that.
None currently, even UKIP has backed away from it.
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Jan 24 2015, 06:46 PM
The worst possible scenario for this country. Even ardent Labour voters would surely not want that combination.
Any combination without Tory in it will be a relief for many millions of people.
Totally agree. Get rid of the incompetent Tory dross.
It's often said, that, "Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them"

I think this will be a true result of the GE.

There is a undercurrent of feeling that the Con-LD coalition could have done better from 2010 to 2015.

It's not what, or if, the opposition could have done better. It's that the expectation of the electoral was that the government could or should have done better.

Time for change.
Time for a change you say................exactly, but to what?

We have tried Conservative many times..............We have tried Labour many times............also Lab/Lib and Con/Lib. Still no satisfaction, so if it is time for a change we cant have any of the previous arrangements.

If its a change we are after who, or what, is it to be?
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Jan 24 2015, 10:18 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 02:18 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 01:21 PM
All it does is to reinforces the view that this election is wide open, and that the outcome is uncertain.
The politicians have no one but themselves to blame for the situation, obviously, the word of the day is OBFUSCATION, and this from all parties that at the last preamble to the GE promised transparency...........and people believed them............I despair not only of MP's but more so with those that vote without thinking and remembering.
"transparency" ? NL did introduce the Freedom of Information Act.
Could you inform Mr Chilcot please?
Why ?
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Totally agree. Get rid of the incompetent Tory dross.
It's often said, that, "Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them"

I think this will be a true result of the GE.

There is a undercurrent of feeling that the Con-LD coalition could have done better from 2010 to 2015.

It's not what, or if, the opposition could have done better. It's that the expectation of the electoral was that the government could or should have done better.

Time for change.
Time for a change you say................exactly, but to what?

We have tried Conservative many times..............We have tried Labour many times............also Lab/Lib and Con/Lib. Still no satisfaction, so if it is time for a change we cant have any of the previous arrangements.

If its a change we are after who, or what, is it to be?
The change that is needed is a change of mind set from the top to the bottom of society and that can only begin at the top. IMO moving to the right of politics will only reinforce the present mind set.
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The way I see it you've got a choice between the three bumbling mediocre at best mainstream parties and a few alternatives who are as bad if not worse.

SNP? Openly committed to breaking up the UK.

The Greens? Well meaning but clueless.

UKIP? More of the same and about as well disguised as a giraffe wearing sun glasses trying to get into a polar bears only club.

Hey ho.
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The PR system is needed, it works, but would require other changes (Constitutional) as well ....... And a change in the administration of the State.
Corruption, the idea that Ministers can do deals for friends/self wouldn't get very far. Integrity, honour, return.
The Press too would have to change, party politics of the two-three party system no longer settled. A PR system gives scope for change few have even envisaged - huge.
It is a consensus system, with compromise tempered only by the performance it delivers ......... a wrecking party would not last long as a political force.

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Jan 25 2015, 11:09 AM
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Jan 25 2015, 10:51 AM
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Jan 24 2015, 11:24 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 10:55 PM

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It's often said, that, "Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them"

I think this will be a true result of the GE.

There is a undercurrent of feeling that the Con-LD coalition could have done better from 2010 to 2015.

It's not what, or if, the opposition could have done better. It's that the expectation of the electoral was that the government could or should have done better.

Time for change.
Time for a change you say................exactly, but to what?

We have tried Conservative many times..............We have tried Labour many times............also Lab/Lib and Con/Lib. Still no satisfaction, so if it is time for a change we cant have any of the previous arrangements.

If its a change we are after who, or what, is it to be?
The change that is needed is a change of mind set from the top to the bottom of society and that can only begin at the top. IMO moving to the right of politics will only reinforce the present mind set.
Why? This Gov. has done a lot more than the last one to increase the basic tax threshold. It has shifted the burden of taxation away from the bottom quartile. OAP's have done relatively well and Welfare Benefits for many have been protected, for some improved. I think you are scare mongering without any basis for the claims. Cameron is very much "centre ground". However, Milliband has moved the mind-set of the left further away from the centre of political gravity.
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