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Another Ukip Defector!; Is Nigel telling the truth?
Topic Started: Jan 25 2015, 12:43 PM (315 Views)
marybrown
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I have also posted this on UK debate.


It seems that one of UKIP's MEP's has defected to the Tory Party.

Amjad Bashir declared the party..''pointless''

Hours before his defection..UKIP announced that they were ''suspending him, pending investigations of extremely serious allegations.

Nigel Farage appeared on Andrew Marr this morning repeating allegations that Mr Bashir was under investigation concerning EU funds..his agenda of only recruiting Asian staff from Bradford..his alleged links with a fundamentalist Islamic group..

Mr Farage said that Bashir had been under investigation for months and he had proof of his accusations..

He finished his interview by saying he was ''shocked that the Tory party would entertain such a person!''
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RJD
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I wonder if Nige has applied and been rejected?
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Tigger
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Bashir has done the right thing, he's gone to the home of financial sleaze and dodgy business practice, I'm sure he'll feel very welcome.
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krugerman
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I have always been of the opinion that UKIP could very easily trip-up and stumble in the run up to the general election, their general conduct as an organisation is clearly very amateurish, lacking in discipline and they are walking out of one controversy straight into another, their policies seem to be based on the idea of "lets make it up as we go along".

As much as I detest the Tories, at least they speak from the same hymn sheet
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Steve K
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We'd actually done this in another thread so i'll repeat what I said there

- How interesting that Farage would only reveal his suspicions about this guy when he thought he was going to jump ship. Seems Farage would have just seen hi as fine otherwise

- What does this say about UKIP's internal checks?
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Rich
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Steve K
Jan 25 2015, 09:42 PM
We'd actually done this in another thread so i'll repeat what I said there

- How interesting that Farage would only reveal his suspicions about this guy when he thought he was going to jump ship. Seems Farage would have just seen hi as fine otherwise

- What does this say about UKIP's internal checks?
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
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Steve K
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Rich
Jan 25 2015, 10:15 PM
Steve K
Jan 25 2015, 09:42 PM
We'd actually done this in another thread so i'll repeat what I said there

- How interesting that Farage would only reveal his suspicions about this guy when he thought he was going to jump ship. Seems Farage would have just seen hi as fine otherwise

- What does this say about UKIP's internal checks?
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
I observe what they do and comment on that. If the obvious inference is they are a collection of the dim, the devious, the outright dishonest, the downright bigoted and a very few determined to make an honest change then that's not my fault.

Maybe you would like to explain how the unrepentant Mrs "Ting Tong" is still a UKIP MEP, why UKIP didn't suspend Bashir before they knew he was ditching them, why they issued an ultra right wing 2010 manifesto their leader signed and then pretended he disagreed with, why they campaigned in support of HS2 and now campaign against it, why they continually issue made up statistics that so strangely always seem to be wrong in a way that would support their causes and maybe even why UKIP party secretary Matthew Richardson recently admitted it is a party of bigots.

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Rich
Jan 25 2015, 10:15 PM
Steve K
Jan 25 2015, 09:42 PM
We'd actually done this in another thread so i'll repeat what I said there

- How interesting that Farage would only reveal his suspicions about this guy when he thought he was going to jump ship. Seems Farage would have just seen hi as fine otherwise

- What does this say about UKIP's internal checks?
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
I suspect that UKIP are no worse or better that any of the main stream parties when it comes to a lack of transparency, integrity and honesty in their dealings with the electorate. They simply are not as slick as the other mainstream parties when it comes to damage limitation and the self serving dissemination of misinformation, for the simple reason that they have not had either the decades of experience of the other parties nor the media contacts.

People will believe what they wish to believe about this latest brouhaha. I suspect that even someone with the balls of Farage would hesitate to make the accusations about Bashir that he has made without pretty cast iron evidence in support or he would be soon facing a potentially expensive law suit. Best to wait until until facts rather than wishful thinking emerge before leaping to unjustified conclusions.



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Rich
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Steve K
Jan 25 2015, 10:27 PM
Rich
Jan 25 2015, 10:15 PM
Steve K
Jan 25 2015, 09:42 PM
We'd actually done this in another thread so i'll repeat what I said there

- How interesting that Farage would only reveal his suspicions about this guy when he thought he was going to jump ship. Seems Farage would have just seen hi as fine otherwise

- What does this say about UKIP's internal checks?
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
I observe what they do and comment on that. If the obvious inference is they are a collection of the dim, the devious, the outright dishonest, the downright bigoted and a very few determined to make an honest change then that's not my fault.

Maybe you would like to explain how the unrepentant Mrs "Ting Tong" is still a UKIP MEP, why UKIP didn't suspend Bashir before they knew he was ditching them, why they issued an ultra right wing 2010 manifesto their leader signed and then pretended he disagreed with, why they campaigned in support of HS2 and now campaign against it, why they continually issue made up statistics that so strangely always seem to be wrong in a way that would support their causes and maybe even why UKIP party secretary Matthew Richardson recently admitted it is a party of bigots.

Yes, a little addendum such as IMO, goes a long way.
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Jan 25 2015, 04:42 PM
Bashir has done the right thing, he's gone to the home of financial sleaze and dodgy business practice, I'm sure he'll feel very welcome.
Bashir is another good name for a UKIP basher, of which there will be many more in the weeks to come. No other political party wants UKIP to succeed to save their own skins Personally I hope they do well, at Labours Expense.
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Jan 25 2015, 10:58 PM
Rich
Jan 25 2015, 10:15 PM
Steve K
Jan 25 2015, 09:42 PM
We'd actually done this in another thread so i'll repeat what I said there

- How interesting that Farage would only reveal his suspicions about this guy when he thought he was going to jump ship. Seems Farage would have just seen hi as fine otherwise

- What does this say about UKIP's internal checks?
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
I suspect that UKIP are no worse or better that any of the main stream parties when it comes to a lack of transparency, integrity and honesty in their dealings with the electorate. They simply are not as slick as the other mainstream parties when it comes to damage limitation and the self serving dissemination of misinformation, for the simple reason that they have not had either the decades of experience of the other parties nor the media contacts.

People will believe what they wish to believe about this latest brouhaha. I suspect that even someone with the balls of Farage would hesitate to make the accusations about Bashir that he has made without pretty cast iron evidence in support or he would be soon facing a potentially expensive law suit. Best to wait until until facts rather than wishful thinking emerge before leaping to unjustified conclusions.



Let see what the Conservatives do with him after they make their own enquiries.
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Rich
Jan 25 2015, 10:15 PM
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
Does anyone including Farage know that?
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Jan 26 2015, 10:54 AM
Rich
Jan 25 2015, 10:15 PM
Perhaps you would be so kind as as to appraise us all of your intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UKIP.
Does anyone including Farage know that?
There are some suggestions Farage is losing control of UKIP as Carswell's influence expands. Farage's juvenile off message outburst last November about privatising the NHS was less than clever. I don't particularly like Carswell but at least I can respect his intellectual honesty.
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So either Bashir is guilty of the UKIP allegations which means they knew about them and didn't mention it until after he defected, or he is innocent and Farrage is flat out lying.

A genuine alternative eh?
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Affa
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Was "under investigation" covers a lot of ills.
At any one time I reckon a third of Westminster (more of party activists outside Westminster) will be 'under investigation' for some sort of transgression. It is how they keep the lid on what is going on below the surface.

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Tytoalba
Jan 26 2015, 10:49 AM
Tigger
Jan 25 2015, 04:42 PM
Bashir has done the right thing, he's gone to the home of financial sleaze and dodgy business practice, I'm sure he'll feel very welcome.
Bashir is another good name for a UKIP basher, of which there will be many more in the weeks to come. No other political party wants UKIP to succeed to save their own skins Personally I hope they do well, at Labours Expense.
Yes, in my increasingly disinterested opinion i think you are right.
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